Let Struggling Franchises Die

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    May 20, 2009 3:59 AM GMT
    No offence to anyone intended to hockey fans in the following markets in this post, but is anyone else sick of the NHL and Gary Bettman fighting to save struggling markets in the southern U.S. First he saves Nashville twice now Phoenix and lets face it Florida hasn't had good attendance in years. I think its time to stop trying to force hockey on non hockey markets. Start moving teams to cities who deserve it, Quebec, Winnipeg. Two cities who should have never lost teams in the first place. Where was the NHL when those franchises were being moved? Sorry for rambling but i cant stand watching game with empty arenas whren i'd have to spend $500 for nosebleeds to see my team. Agree or Disagree?
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    May 20, 2009 4:47 AM GMT
    Well, maybe if they would make tickets affordable people would go. And yeah, people living in the south usually don't really do much for hockey. give it to the canadian cities that want it.
  • danisnotstr8

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    May 20, 2009 4:53 AM GMT
    I think that the next struggling franchise to die should be Pizza Hut.
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    May 20, 2009 4:56 AM GMT
    Phoenix could be coming to Hamilton, Ontario which would be amazing for that city and 15 minutes from where I live a city over. I hope it comes through.
  • MSUBioNerd

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    May 20, 2009 7:06 AM GMT
    It would be kind of impressive if Hamilton could support a major league hockey franchise, situated as close as it is to both Toronto and Buffalo.
  • jrs1

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    May 20, 2009 11:27 AM GMT

    Pizza Hut is my favorite pizza franchise ... I'm not implying that I get out enough, however.

    If tickets were more affordable, then perhaps more people would take their families. Sports are important to those who either have had or have a stake in it (i.e., experience). Hockey is perhaps a sport where more people who live in colder climates have more of a stake. And, contrastingly, surfing having a greater following in warmer climates.
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    May 20, 2009 7:43 PM GMT
    if you let the team die, you have to make changes to the league and it's rules. I hope that Mr. RIM brings it to Hamilton. nothing like slammin' at a hockey game and walkin home
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    May 20, 2009 8:01 PM GMT
    mnel8888 saidNo offence to anyone intended to hockey fans in the following markets in this post, but is anyone else sick of the NHL and Gary Bettman fighting to save struggling markets in the southern U.S. First he saves Nashville twice now Phoenix and lets face it Florida hasn't had good attendance in years. I think its time to stop trying to force hockey on non hockey markets. Start moving teams to cities who deserve it, Quebec, Winnipeg. Two cities who should have never lost teams in the first place. Where was the NHL when those franchises were being moved? Sorry for rambling but i cant stand watching game with empty arenas whren i'd have to spend $500 for nosebleeds to see my team. Agree or Disagree?


    It's criminal when a team from a Canadian city gets moved to an American city that hardly ever sees a freeze.
  • roadbikeRob

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    May 23, 2009 6:53 PM GMT
    I would love to see Hamilton, Ontario, Canada get an NHL franchise. The city is midway between Buffalo and Toronto and there is a big enough and economically strong enough market to support an NHL franchise for Hamilton. Finally the City of Hamilton will not get anymore guff from either Buffalo and Toronto, it would finally have a NHL team of its own. It will be very good for Hamilton after the grim news earlier this year regarding the shutdown of the Stelco steel mills by greedy, rotten US Steel.
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    May 24, 2009 2:34 PM GMT
    If we want to be Darwinian, that's fine, but let's not be Darwinian selectively. All struggling franchises should go then, period, no matter where or who they are. If we are going to be Darwinian then years ago we should have closed Pittsburgh, Detroit, Edmonton, Ottawa, Calgary, and Chicago. All of them years ago ought to have been shut down when they were struggling from low attendance and were bleeding financially. Those teams were given support by the NHL and wouldn't have survived without it. Why should we start being Darwinian now, if we weren't before? Or do those Darwinian policies you want conveniently not apply to Canadian or Original Six teams? Those teams are doing well now, but every one of those teams for multiple years sometime over the past 20 years or so needed external support to survive and had lower attendance than Phoenix is having now. Where were all those Canadian Darwinians back then? I'll tell you where they were, they were all demanding NHL (and public ) subsidies to keep their teams going, and understandably so.

    Now I really have no problem with moving some of these struggling franchises, but move them because it is in the best interests of hockey, not because you want cheaper hockey tickets.

    Look at what increases the overall revenue pie of the NHL over time. Would moving that team cannibalize other NHL teams, thus not really increasing overall NHL revenue? How does that revenue stream look over the next 15-30 years? Lastly, and certainly not least, does the move create new hockey fans and players? If you can use these criteria to justify moving a team or two to Canada, then I'm all for it, and frankly, I think you can.

    When people say "deserves a hockey team" that is just a thinly veiled Canadian nationalist statement. Based on the criteria the OP created, then neither Calgary, Edmonton, nor Ottawa (amongst others) deserved hockey teams either, which I doubt was his intent.