PROP 8 DECISION COMING OUT THIS THURSDAY!!!

  • daveza

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    May 20, 2009 7:25 AM GMT
    The Supreme Court will release its decision to either uphold or repeal Prop 8 THIS THURSDAY.

    I am not just telling you this so you can talk about it... I am telling you so you can get off your asses and BE PART OF THIS! So that YOU, over there in Chicago and Fort Lauderdale and Houston, and YOU over there in the Philippines and Argentina, and all of YOU in between can be involved and not just have a passive role in this, but that you can stand up for this. It's not just about marriage equality... it's about civil rights... it's about full equality for all people. It's about human rights and human dignity. And YOU have a real, legitimate voice this.

    RIght now, I need you to go to this website and find out the nearest rally or celebration going on in your area. And if there isn't one, I need YOU to organize one.

    http://www.dayofdecision.com/

    For many of you, organizing a protest to stand up for LGBT rights will be more challenging than for a 22 year old kid like me in LA where we strive to live and breathe equality. But I hope that you recognize that this challenge is much greater for you, and I hope you will have the real courage to stand up and fight for what is so very right.

    I will be updating details of the protests via twitter at http://twitter.com/imdavevalk



    Peace and love everyone.

    Dave
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    May 20, 2009 11:17 AM GMT
    I predict that the CA supremies are too terrified of being labelled "activist judges" and will uphold Prop 8.
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    May 20, 2009 1:26 PM GMT
    I hope Prop 8 gets thrown away like the piece of trash it is.
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    May 20, 2009 1:48 PM GMT
    McGay saidI predict that the CA supremies are too terrified of being labelled "activist judges" and will uphold Prop 8.

    Yes, the oral arguments strongly suggested the Justices will uphold Prop 8. The best that can happen is that the gay marriages performed before Prop 8 was approved will be allowed to remain in effect, because the proposition does not appear to be explicitly retroactive.

    But even that is not certain, since the existing gay marriages would be in a legal limbo, no mechanism in place to selectively recognize them from this narrow time period, but no others before or since. The California Supreme Court may therefore also rule that there was an "implied" nullification of those previous gay marriages inherent within Prop 8.
  • Hunter9

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    May 20, 2009 2:18 PM GMT
    i dont see any indications on your linked website or anywhere else that this is actually going down tomorrow
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    May 20, 2009 2:43 PM GMT
    I was wondering that too Hunter9 it's going to be June 3. I'll be in Hawaii marching there!
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    May 20, 2009 4:28 PM GMT
    Good we can finally put this baby to bed and move on!
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    May 20, 2009 4:49 PM GMT
    For everyone living in CA (or nearby), there's going to be a massive demonstration the Saturday after the Prop 8 decision is announced in Fresno, CA.

    The rationale being that it doesn't help us to stay in the liberal strongholds like SF or LA, but that we have to reach out to the central valley, which voted overwhelmingly for Prop 8.

    http://www.meetinthemiddle4equality.com/
  • gsh1964

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    May 20, 2009 5:06 PM GMT
    I don't understand the conflict with this.

    California is the biggest gay state in the union, however, Iowa is more progressive.

    If they uphold it, I don't really see anything that I can do about it. Accept just be mad about it. Don't really want to do that.
  • metta

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    May 20, 2009 6:05 PM GMT

    Report: California Proposition 8 Decision Coming Down on Thursday

    http://www.towleroad.com/2009/05/report-proposition-8-decision-coming-down-on-thursday.html


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    Overturning Prop 8 would reaffirm basic American rights

    http://newmexicoindependent.com/27897/overturning-prop-8-reaffirms-basic-rights-of-american-citizenship


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    http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/courts/supreme/highprofile/prop8.htm
  • EricLA

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    May 20, 2009 6:45 PM GMT
    UPDATE: The court announced there would be NO announcements this Thursday, so the decision will be announced next Tuesday or Thursday, or no later than the following Monday.
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    May 20, 2009 6:58 PM GMT
    Well if anything, those states that have legalized gay marriage in the process of Prop 8's mess may also serve as some sort of support system if they do overturn it.

    Rooting for you guys over there in CA, you sure do know how to organize and protest pretty well over there!
  • EricLA

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    May 20, 2009 7:32 PM GMT
    UPDATE X2: Looks like SF Mayor Gavin Newsom asked the CA Supreme Court to delay their announcement on Prop 8 so it would not coincide with the 30th Anniversary of the White Night Riots (when SF gays protested the light sentence of Harvey Milk/Mayor Mosone's murderer Dan White). I don't know if Newsom would get advance word on the judgment, so I wouldn't read anything into this.

    Besides, I think most court watchers expect the court to uphold Prop 8, anyway.

    http://www.towleroad.com/2009/05/exclusive-sf-mayor-gavin-newsom-asked-court-to-delay-prop-8-ruling.html
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    May 20, 2009 8:09 PM GMT
    There are only two legitmate ways to overturn a state constitutional amendment approved by a plebiscite (popular vote.)

    A repeal of the amendment by the same means, a popular vote, or the U.S.Supreme Court, under the supremcy clause, declares the state's amendment in conflict with a U.S. statute or the amendment contradicts the U. S. Constitution.

    There is one techical way the Calif. Supreme Court could declare the amendment as invalid. They could reject the results of the voting by finding that the election process was not followed according to established law. Of course, that had to be the issue before the court, not is the amendment itself unconstitutional which isn't possible if a majority of the electorate, rightly or wrongly, approved the amendment. Once the amendment was approved it became a part of the constitution, therefore the amendment itself is constitutional.
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    May 20, 2009 8:13 PM GMT
    To the guy that said if they uphold it the only thing we can do is get mad and he didn't want to do that -
    Why not get mad? Californians just voted you a second class citizen. Why is your blood not boiling?
    We should be getting mad and doing something about it. Just sitting back and saying, 'oh well'. Won't get a minority their equal rights when they're being discriminated against by the majority.
    We need to be finding ways to educate the masses, to reach out to people in the communities that are voting against us out of fear. And then we need to organize and get out the vote in 2010 and get prop8 repealed by the voters.

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    May 20, 2009 9:26 PM GMT
    You know I would love to give it my support, but the fact it's on the straight model, and is all about one man, and another man. One female, and another female. I have two men who love me and am in two long term relasionships. One 20 years, and the other 10 years. Not a new relasionship of only a few months or a few years. So I'm still excluded from homosexual marrrage, and will be until plural marriage is on the card!

    Did you know new commers to Oz, or someone only one or two generations born here. Get more rights than I do. A True Blue Aussie living in Oz, because they can committe to their one. yet I'm not able to be committed to my two. Mine you at the end of the day, it's only a peace of papper.
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    May 20, 2009 11:16 PM GMT
    matey saidYou know I would love to give it my support, but the fact it's on the straight model, and is all about one man, and another man. One female, and another female. I have two men who love me and am in two long term relasionships. One 20 years, and the other 10 years. Not a new relasionship of only a few months or a few years. So I'm still excluded from homosexual marrrage, and will be until plural marriage is on the card!

    Did you know new commers to Oz, or someone only one or two generations born here. Get more rights than I do. A True Blue Aussie living in Oz, because they can committe to their one. yet I'm not able to be committed to my two. Mine you at the end of the day, it's only a peace of papper.


    A Pattison by any other name would still sound like The One!
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    May 21, 2009 12:10 AM GMT
    Red_Vespa said
    McGay saidI predict that the CA supremies are too terrified of being labelled "activist judges" and will uphold Prop 8.

    Yes, the oral arguments strongly suggested the Justices will uphold Prop 8. The best that can happen is that the gay marriages performed before Prop 8 was approved will be allowed to remain in effect, because the proposition does not appear to be explicitly retroactive.

    But even that is not certain, since the existing gay marriages would be in a legal limbo, no mechanism in place to selectively recognize them from this narrow time period, but no others before or since. The California Supreme Court may therefore also rule that there was an "implied" nullification of those previous gay marriages inherent within Prop 8.


    The language was pretty clear that marriages "will not be valid or recognized," which spells annulling those previous marriages. It doesn't sound like they will interpret the proposition to include one provisional recognition of same sex marriage, because the language is about no provisions. It seems to be more in favor of being dropped because the language was not more explicit about the legal marriages performed before prop 8. That's just my take.
  • Anto

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    May 21, 2009 12:42 AM GMT
    Also the ballot description of Prop 8 did say that it applied to gay marriages regardless of where or when they were performed. That's what was written
  • metta

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    May 22, 2009 5:52 PM GMT
    The California Supreme Court just announced that it will release its decision on the fate of Proposition 8 on Tuesday, May 26, 10 am.



    Day Of Decision

    http://www.dayofdecision.com/

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    http://www.nonviolence4equality.org
  • metta

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    May 22, 2009 6:02 PM GMT
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    May 22, 2009 9:40 PM GMT

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