More on DADT : Victor Fehrenbach

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    May 20, 2009 2:51 PM GMT
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/aubrey-sarvis/air-force-boots-their-25_b_205553.html


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  • Menergy_1

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    May 20, 2009 3:26 PM GMT
    I received this video embedded in a Servicemembers Legal Defense Network contributions request -- both the huffington post article and the video.

    This crap REALLY gets my blood boiling -- what an f'ng affront and a waste of a life, an outstanding career, taxpayers' money invested, and a man.

    His and Lt. Choi's discharges (among so many others- 206 since Obama's inauguration on Jan 20 alone!) are a complete disgrace to our country, the military, the Administration (past and present) and to the service of these members of our military. It's time to STOP this shit!

    How to get Congress and Obama to smite this DADT law and policy down NOW?

    (I lucked out, I guess - -retired USAF officer here myself)
  • coolarmydude

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    May 20, 2009 4:16 PM GMT
    It is appalling that at the least, Obama isn't even suspending the DADT policy.


    Another shame is that when senior personnel screw up royally, they get to retire with benefits. But if you're gay and in the retirement window (18+ years) you get screwed completely.


    Google search former Sergeant Major of the Army McKinney. That's just one example.

    from http://www.cnn.com/US/9803/16/mckinney.sentence/:

    "In the court-martial, McKinney, who was the first black person to become the sergeant major of the Army, had been charged with making threats, mistreating subordinates, indecent assault, adultery and obstructing justice."


    He was reduced in rank to E8, which is higher than what I'll retire at, and he got full retirement benefits after his court martial.

  • coolarmydude

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    May 20, 2009 4:21 PM GMT
    Here's a Rachel Maddow interview on LTC Fehrenbach:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#30834555
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    May 20, 2009 4:49 PM GMT
    I wish I knew what Obama was waiting for or what was keeping him from not acting.
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    May 20, 2009 7:01 PM GMT
    His history of service is enough to make an REAL american scoff in disgust. I think its complete horrible how DADT can ruin the lives of people who have give all of theirs for this country!
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    May 20, 2009 8:51 PM GMT
    they need to abolish this stupid policy, sooner than later! I might plan to work for the navy and i'd hate for them to fire me for being gay, that'd suck
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    May 20, 2009 9:16 PM GMT
    So utterly and incredibly sad ....

    I'm in a state of disbelief. How? Really, how? This guy is the definition of an American Hero, and he just gets the boot.
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    May 20, 2009 10:16 PM GMT
    Please Obama change this....get up of your ass and change this....I cant stand to see another casuality even from my own branch.icon_sad.gif
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    May 20, 2009 10:32 PM GMT
    Congress and Obama will only change the policy when its politically beneficial for them. They are politicians. They say what they think will get them elected, then do whatever they want. Come closer to the next election and you might hear a little more about, for votes.
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    May 20, 2009 10:37 PM GMT
    Here's the vid for people who are too lazy to surf links:


    What a sad, sad story. It's appalling that this is even still and issue anyway.

    And totally unrelated to the sadness of this story, Lt. Col. Victor is one handsome man.
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    May 20, 2009 10:44 PM GMT
    The Military Readiness Enhancement Act (HR 1283)

    The Military Readiness Enhancement Act would repeal the federal law banning military service by openly lesbian, gay and bisexual Americans, “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.” The bill would replace this ban with new provisions prohibiting discrimination based on sexual orientation in the armed forces. Current regulations regarding the personal conduct of military members would remain unchanged as long as they are written and enforced in a sexual orientation neutral manner. Persons previously discharged on the basis of sexual orientation would be eligible to apply to rejoin the military. The Military Readiness Enhancement Act would not create a right to benefits for same-sex partners or spouses, because under current federal law such benefits would violate the federal Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA).

    http://www.sldn.org/pages/in-congress
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    May 20, 2009 11:25 PM GMT
    This story is very upsetting and unfair...AGAIN, one of our Bravest and most Honorable is being tossed out over DADT.....the talent pool isn't bottomless and we can't "outsource" these jobs to some other country. The "Good ol' Boy Network of stupidity and biggotry" needs to wake up and join the 21st century. Pissed me off last night and I wrote to my 2 Senators and my Representative about this.....you should too! icon_cool.gif
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    May 20, 2009 11:57 PM GMT
    As much as I am fond of the USA, there are issues which really make me wonder. It is simply backwards and totally self defeating.


    Really, America, get it together.

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    May 21, 2009 3:13 AM GMT
    I'm kind of surprised this doesn't have more replies ...
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    May 21, 2009 3:18 AM GMT
    Well... its not like this is the first or only or last dumb thing the military will ever do. Is anyone really surprised? 25 million is a drop in the lake of wasted money.... icon_cry.gif
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    May 21, 2009 3:22 AM GMT
    Okay, that's a valid point ...
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    May 21, 2009 3:58 AM GMT
    As sad and unfortunate as all these stories are, everyone fails to understand that when you first signed the contract it is stated that you can not be homosexual. Being one that has to "hide" it hurts to hear these stories especially those that have put in their hearts and souls to have a great career and given so many years of faithful service! Yet we are all in a breach of contract. I know people are going to think me stupid for saying this, but it's the truth, stupid, but the truth. Unfortunately its going to happen again and nothing will be able to be done, until DADT is taken out of the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice).
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    May 21, 2009 9:20 AM GMT
    First of all, this is a joke. Why we would be dismissing people that obviously have been and could continue to be a great service to our country, especially in a time of war, is a crime.

    Second of all, that Obama did not make this his first priority when he could have is an insult. I voted for Clinton because he said he would end this last huge bastion of discrimination against gay people back in 1992. He promised to do so as his first act as President and failed miserably. That was 15 years ago.

    But thirdly, I have to ask even though it will not be popular: Why do gay people contribute to this injustice by playing along with the game? As long as gays and lesbians still join the military and play the "straight" game, at what point are they just enablers, enabling this stupid anti-homosexual agenda?

    Our military is in desperate need of people. If we are 10% of the population, give or take, then we are 10% of the military. If that 10% of the military said,
    "hey, we are gay. Change the stupid rule against us or we are out of here" the rules would change. Where is the outcry from the military? If 10% of the military said change the rule or I am walking, or being booted, the rule would change tomorrow. If the military lost 10% of it's forces, especially right now, it would be crippled. What better time to force a change?

    By keeping silent, gay military are now becoming the Uncle Toms.
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    May 21, 2009 10:13 AM GMT
    It would help to contact your Representative and Senators and let them know that this is an important issue to you, and that you would like them to support repealing DADT.
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    May 21, 2009 10:28 AM GMT
    Here here.....I totally agree. It would help more if you slipped a check in with that so that your representative or Senator knows you mean business.
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    May 21, 2009 11:03 AM GMT
    To be fair. DADT was never meant to be like this. It originally was really a 'Don't Ask Don't Tell' Policy, and as long as nobody was doing anything promiscuous and publicly damaging to the armed forces' image (gay or straight), anyone can serve.

    Instead it's now simply a 'Don't Tell' policy. They can ask, and they can discharge at will. I guess it boils down to the stupid provision of being able to kick out anyone known without doubt as a homosexual, and dishonorably, no less. No benefits, no pension, no nothing. Fucking bastards.

    And btw, I just found out that the Philippines has also ended the ban on gays serving in the military just this year!

    Where or where art thou America?
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    May 21, 2009 11:10 AM GMT
    WOW. this is one bullshit policy. talk about stomping a boot in the face of those protecting you. incredible. infuriating.
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    May 21, 2009 11:23 AM GMT
    I know there are more important issues going on in the world today but I feel like Obama could spread a little love our way after all the b.s. he talked while campaigning concerning equal rights for us and etc.

    What has been done to this Lt. is absolutely appauling!! It makes me very ashamed of our military and leaders. I dont understand why people cant look beyond their own personal sexual prejudices and just do the job they are supposed to do.

    If it was really a problem in the military having gays in it then maybe women shouldnt be allowed either because that could cause tension and be sexually distracting, but that never happens does it? I mean I have never heard of a woman getting sexually harrassed or raped in the military...that would NEVER happen....yea right....this whole thing is absolutely stupid.

    I am so tired of hearing separation of church and state when it is convenient for others to make their point but when it is in our favor....forget it.

    Obama needs to step up to the plate, grow some balls and actually decide on some of these issues like he promised.

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    May 21, 2009 11:32 AM GMT
    poe24 saidAs sad and unfortunate as all these stories are, everyone fails to understand that when you first signed the contract it is stated that you can not be homosexual. .


    well the point is that the "contract" is wrong in the first place, and by enforcing it the army is harming and weakening itself, decreasing its effectiveness and therefore acting in a profoundly un-american way.