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May 22, 2009 4:19 AM GMT
I was wondering if this personality trait is actually a disorder?
It's listed as one of the more mental things that effect quality of life.
I mean do you have to have everything in order before you can go out?
Maybe we all have some of this. I do like a clean house....but it's not perfect!
So what's your case? Are you crazy about order or just insane...?
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May 22, 2009 6:40 AM GMT
I'm not O/C, but I'm not a slob either. I do like a clean living space, a place for everything and everything in its place. Especially the Kitchen and bathroom. I have roommates that don't see it that way hence looking for my own place.
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May 22, 2009 7:02 AM GMT
I cant study if the room I'm in isnt neat and orderly.
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May 22, 2009 7:32 AM GMT
My answer: WAY!
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May 22, 2009 7:37 AM GMT
OCD isn't necessarily characterized by being a neat freak.
A true OCD has rituals, and odd ones: someone may have to walk seven times around his house before leaving, someone else may have to wash his hands thirty times a day. The rituals often (but not uniformly) involve cleanliness, but they can involve other things: counting the number of times you chew your food, reciting phrases before or during a particular task.
If these things don't disrupt your life, they're just eccentricities.
But the true OCD suffers constant disruption, due to how much time he may spend performing his rituals, and also social ostracism, since these things often seem very strange and off-putting to people he meets.
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May 22, 2009 7:58 AM GMT
I have a slight case of OCD... It seems all natural to me...But to someone else Im sure it's a bit crazy...
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May 22, 2009 11:35 PM GMT
I was diagnosed with OCD 11 years ago when I was a senior in college. I have been on anti-depressants ever since.
Many people have some form of OCD by excessive checking or some rituals they have. If the OCD starts effecting your life in a negative way, that is when you need to get professional help. The meds have helped me a lot, but every now and then I get really stressed out and the OCD will kick back in.
My issue is mostly with obsessive thoughts, like I think about something over and over and cannot get that though (usually something like I have some fatal disease or something) and then I cannot do anything, sleep or work without constantly thinking about it.
I am on Cymbalta now, was on Paxil.
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May 23, 2009 12:00 AM GMT
I am not diagnosed as such, but I feel like I am far more concerned about organizational rituals than most. it can be a bummer at times. =[
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May 23, 2009 12:08 AM GMT
I think most people can be obsessive/compulsive about something.
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May 23, 2009 7:41 AM GMT
Yes on the things I find important. And I couldn't care less for the things I find unimportant.
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May 23, 2009 12:34 PM GMT
Living in the moment is what I strive for.
I'm a bit of a perfectionist or have been accused of being one. But I think it's different than being OC.
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May 23, 2009 12:39 PM GMT
I would say I was borderline when I was a little younger.... all had to be in order.. I mean my lawn perfect, my car washed and appropriate.. and me.
These days I want to look good, but try and be reasonable.. and practical.
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May 23, 2009 1:15 PM GMT
Oh yeah! I've had OCD ever since I can remember. I mean, like, 4 or 5 years old. The rituals, the checking. . . it was kind of difficult to deal with when I was a little kid, because I had no idea what was going on. As I got older, I figured it out a little, and it got better. That is, a lot of it went away.
But not all of it. I still deal with OCD, to some degree, to this very day. But it's a minor part of my life now, and doesn't come up all that much.
Even as a kid, when I had it bad, no one ever noticed, and certainly nobody would ever guess I have it today.
A few years back, I was watching the news with a buddy of mine and a report came on about OCD. I decided to see what kind of reaction I'd get, so I told my friend, "I've got that!"
But OCD is such an unusual thing, he just couldn't wrap his head around it (even though he's a very bright guy). So he said it was the dumbest, stupidest thing he'd ever heard of.
He did this in a funny way, not a mean way, so as I tried to explain OCD to him I started laughing, he was being just so deliberately obtuse. . . and I just didn't get anywhere with him so I gave up.
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May 23, 2009 4:06 PM GMT
this mental disorder is not about only tidyness and cleanness. another form of this disorder is cant throwing away old useless things.
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May 24, 2009 12:48 AM GMT
turk saidthis mental disorder is not about only tidyness and cleanness. another form of this disorder is cant throwing away old useless things. I have understood that a person who suffers fron OCD....has everything in order like a clean home...they just can't leave. Maybe it has more faces to it than we understand. |
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May 24, 2009 1:12 AM GMT
It was made clear to me today that being OCD can interfere with one's enjoyment of life...
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May 24, 2009 1:17 AM GMT
The crazy bois r the ones i love the most. There is a huge correlation between bisexual and bipolar. If you're gay, no matter what your damage, I will love you and help you. Tell me more.
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May 24, 2009 1:35 AM GMT
I think we all have a case of OCD but i don't think it's as much a disorder. When i was younger i never the way i am. It kinda got beat into me when i was growing up to make sure everything was clean. Also that everything is in it's place so that no one knew u touched it lol. It kinda just stayed with me as i got older that it became the norm. So everything has to be clean and placed in a certain position and if it's moved then i know right away. My coworkers hate it cause my desk is the only one that's like in order but if they move the stapler or something it's not like it really bothers me, too much  |
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May 25, 2009 12:37 AM GMT
LOL. I do not have this enough... (sigh) The only thing I do is check that I turned the gas burner off, as several times I´ve left it on all day  |
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May 25, 2009 12:41 AM GMT
Nyflava saidI think we all have a case of OCD but i don't think it's as much a disorder. When i was younger i never the way i am. It kinda got beat into me when i was growing up to make sure everything was clean. Also that everything is in it's place so that no one knew u touched it lol. It kinda just stayed with me as i got older that it became the norm. So everything has to be clean and placed in a certain position and if it's moved then i know right away. My coworkers hate it cause my desk is the only one that's like in order but if they move the stapler or something it's not like it really bothers me, too much   |
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May 25, 2009 1:55 AM GMT
Timberoo saidNyflava saidI think we all have a case of OCD but i don't think it's as much a disorder. When i was younger i never the way i am. It kinda got beat into me when i was growing up to make sure everything was clean. Also that everything is in it's place so that no one knew u touched it lol. It kinda just stayed with me as i got older that it became the norm. So everything has to be clean and placed in a certain position and if it's moved then i know right away. My coworkers hate it cause my desk is the only one that's like in order but if they move the stapler or something it's not like it really bothers me, too much
Priceless.....
I have to work out...I like to work hard....I am a freak about looking my best when I walk out the door....abs are not a must but a given.....cars are a symbol of who I am and what I want to be.....dust free living is a wish here in Arizona.....being naked all the time gets me caught some times.....My work is out side the realm of normal.......I can do almost anything....if I dive for pussy....please sterilize it.....Oh my gosh...I am a MESS?? or normal?? |
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May 25, 2009 2:03 AM GMT
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May 25, 2009 7:36 PM GMT
Never been diagnosed but sometimes I think I have 'obsessive-compulsive tendencies.' When I'm laying my groceries out on the conveyor belt at the cash register, they *have* to be neatly arranged-- boxes have to be upright and lined up in parallel with the narrow sides facing forward so the belt's motion doesn't tip them over; if they aren't I just feel really uncomfortable. Even when I see other people's boxes fall over because they placed them with the wide side facing the direction of the belt's motion, I just want to correct them. It's bizarre, even though I'm aware of it when I'm doing it. Cans and produce I'm a bit more lax about, but I have to have my boxes just right. Also, whenever I'm leaving home or work I have to stop at the door and double- (sometimes triple-) check that I have everything I mean to take with me-- wallet, keys, phone, etc-- because if I don't I'm paranoid that I'll forget something. But that might just be an adaptation to compensate for my lousy memory, because on the occasions that I don't run through my mental checklist I usually do forget something  |
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Aug 04, 2009 12:37 PM GMT
I think there are a lot of misconceptions about what obsessive compulsiveness is thanks to media and television.
Though it can often times manifest itself in the form of needing a clean environment,
there are so many ways it can develop that its not even funny.
I am very mildly obsessive compulsive. Meaning that I'm not always dealing with it and when I am I become obsessed with patterns. Counting, walking in specifically proportioned intervals, obssesive worrying, and viewing things in a sense of sacredness and tainted. Tainted things I can't be bothered with when I'm sick whether its things or people.
Some people's, however, is so bad that they won't touch anything. Or everything must be touched in a precise way.
It is very much a disorder and is definitely debilitating. And should not be confused with being cleanly.
Take your urges of having a clean home/ living space, and multiply that to the point that you can't exist should anything be altered. That it bothers you so much that it makes you angry and you literally have to make those things as you need them to be. Hence obsessive compulsive.
Add into that rituals, patterns, anxiety. Yes it is very much a disorder for those who truly have it and do not mistake it for being clean and neat.
I had a friend who had it so bad once that all he could was think about how many different ways he could die. He would worry about the ceiling coming down and killing us and just continue this scenarios for days in his head.
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Aug 04, 2009 1:05 PM GMT
jprichva saidOCD isn't necessarily characterized by being a neat freak.
A true OCD has rituals, and odd ones: someone may have to walk seven times around his house before leaving, someone else may have to wash his hands thirty times a day. The rituals often (but not uniformly) involve cleanliness, but they can involve other things: counting the number of times you chew your food, reciting phrases before or during a particular task.
If these things don't disrupt your life, they're just eccentricities.
But the true OCD suffers constant disruption, due to how much time he may spend performing his rituals, and also social ostracism, since these things often seem very strange and off-putting to people he meets. I suffer from OCD as JP has described it. It's an anxiety disorder, and many people suffer from it. People who have OCD are not crazy or insane. So Mystic_Man, if you think you have OCD, you are not going crazy or insane. You just have to try and control it. Mike |
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Aug 31, 2009 2:08 PM GMT
Mystic_Man saidturk saidthis mental disorder is not about only tidyness and cleanness. another form of this disorder is cant throwing away old useless things.
I have understood that a person who suffers fron OCD....has everything in order like a clean home...they just can't leave. Maybe it has more faces to it than we understand. There are many, many more faces to the disorder than most understand. It does not have to do with order or cleanliness. It is simply a disorder characterized by intrusive thoughts that produce anxiety, by repetitive behaviors aimed at reducing anxiety, or by combinations of such thoughts (obsessions) and behaviors (compulsions). Obsessions can range from a fear of contracting a disease, to religious obsessions, to hoarding, to not being able to drive because you fear that you've run somebody over, to fear of walking on the cracks of a sidewalk. Sufferers know their fears are unfounded but cannot help it because of a chemical imbalance in the brain (biological). Therefore, simply wanting a very tidy room and cleaning it is not OCD because it causes no anxiety and produces no severe emotional and economic loss. Yes, this is truly a disorder, though many do not take it seriously because they mistake their own healthy worries with full blown Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. Again, what separates OCD from orderly people is that an OCD sufferer's obsessions produce severe distress until (and often even after) the compulsion is performed. |
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Sep 02, 2009 7:48 AM GMT
I'm not OC, however, I am certainly anal. I'm not " my way or the highway, " but I take pride in myself and my surroundings. therefore, cleanliness and order are a must.
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Sep 03, 2009 12:51 PM GMT
I think I have some form of it. I don't do the checking or the rituals but I am very prone to extremely repetitive thoughts. If something is worrying me, I will go over and over and over it in my mind, endlessly. There's some variation in the thoughts but it's basically the same paths over and over again. I try to move on to other thoughts but that's nearly impossible. It's a very bad feeling and yes, it diminishes the quality of my life.
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Sep 03, 2009 1:04 PM GMT
anytime any body part of mine came into contact with anything--the chair, the wind that blows my sleeve onto on my skin, a leaf tickle, anything--it'd leave a mental itch on my skin that would kill me if i didn't scratch it away.
and if i did scratch it away, sometimes my scratching would leave another mental itch i absolutely had to re-scratch away. it was viscious. i mustve looked like a pack of monkeys all rolled into one.
it only lasted for a very short period of time when i was a kid. thank god!
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Sep 03, 2009 1:11 PM GMT
francisx saidI think I have some form of it. I don't do the checking or the rituals but I am very prone to extremely repetitive thoughts. If something is worrying me, I will go over and over and over it in my mind, endlessly. There's some variation in the thoughts but it's basically the same paths over and over again. I try to move on to other thoughts but that's nearly impossible. It's a very bad feeling and yes, it diminishes the quality of my life. You're talking about the obsessive trait. It is not necessary to have the compulsive side for it to be a disorder. Just like you can be bipolar but stuck on one side of the pole, so to speak. But when you say it diminishes quality of life, the real test is whether it prevents you from doing necessary things (chores, job, school, etc.) or pleasurable things. If you can honestly say that it has kept you from any of these, then it's something to talk to a professional about. If it's just a matter of having a little trouble falling asleep, it's probably manageable. Most people have some kind of "issue" that, if it were magnified, would send them to a doctor. But for most people it never gets to that level. If your problem is not so severe as to cause serious disruption, then it is within the "normal" range. No one is without some kind of quirk. |
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Sep 03, 2009 1:15 PM GMT
Pianist saidMystic_Man saidturk saidthis mental disorder is not about only tidyness and cleanness. another form of this disorder is cant throwing away old useless things.
I have understood that a person who suffers fron OCD....has everything in order like a clean home...they just can't leave. Maybe it has more faces to it than we understand.
There are many, many more faces to the disorder than most understand. It does not have to do with order or cleanliness. It is simply a disorder characterized by intrusive thoughts that produce anxiety, by repetitive behaviors aimed at reducing anxiety, or by combinations of such thoughts (obsessions) and behaviors (compulsions). Obsessions can range from a fear of contracting a disease, to religious obsessions, to hoarding, to not being able to drive because you fear that you've run somebody over, to fear of walking on the cracks of a sidewalk. Sufferers know their fears are unfounded but cannot help it because of a chemical imbalance in the brain (biological).
Therefore, simply wanting a very tidy room and cleaning it is not OCD because it causes no anxiety and produces no severe emotional and economic loss.
Yes, this is truly a disorder, though many do not take it seriously because they mistake their own healthy worries with full blown Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. Again, what separates OCD from orderly people is that an OCD sufferer's obsessions produce severe distress until (and often even after) the compulsion is performed. You really seem to know what you're talking about. Maybe you can answer a couple of questions. Is it possible to have some sort of "light" version of this disorder-- i.e., bad enough to be a genuine problem that needs fixing but not as severe as the classic, full-blown version of OCD? If so, would a person with the "light" version be a good candidate for meds? Are there good meds for obsessive thoughts? Are they scary, strong chemicals with potential bad side effects or safe, effective stuff with little risk? Thanks in advance for any advice/info. |
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Sep 03, 2009 1:25 PM GMT
jprichva said
You're talking about the obsessive trait. It is not necessary to have the compulsive side for it to be a disorder. Just like you can be bipolar but stuck on one side of the pole, so to speak.
Maybe I am misreading your statement, but I have to disagree with you. Bipolar disorder is characterized by episodes of depression countered with episodes of mania. If you only experience depression, you are depressed. If you are only experiencing mania, you are hyperactive or some other disorder. Bipolar disorder is both depression and mania; not one or the other. That is why it is given that label. |
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Sep 03, 2009 1:48 PM GMT
jprichva saidfrancisx saidI think I have some form of it. I don't do the checking or the rituals but I am very prone to extremely repetitive thoughts. If something is worrying me, I will go over and over and over it in my mind, endlessly. There's some variation in the thoughts but it's basically the same paths over and over again. I try to move on to other thoughts but that's nearly impossible. It's a very bad feeling and yes, it diminishes the quality of my life.
You're talking about the obsessive trait. It is not necessary to have the compulsive side for it to be a disorder. Just like you can be bipolar but stuck on one side of the pole, so to speak.
But when you say it diminishes quality of life, the real test is whether it prevents you from doing necessary things (chores, job, school, etc.) or pleasurable things. If you can honestly say that it has kept you from any of these, then it's something to talk to a professional about. If it's just a matter of having a little trouble falling asleep, it's probably manageable.
Most people have some kind of "issue" that, if it were magnified, would send them to a doctor. But for most people it never gets to that level. If your problem is not so severe as to cause serious disruption, then it is within the "normal" range. No one is without some kind of quirk. Thanks for this. It is very helpful. My best guess is that I am right on some sort of border. It doesn't prevent me from doing necessary things but it makes doing those things much harder than should be the case. I function just fine and am able to enjoy myself on a regular basis but am fairly unhappy a fair amount of the time because of the obsessive and intrusive thoughts. I definitely have more than a "quirk" but perhaps not a full-blown disorder. I go through "remissions" when it's not bad and "flare-ups" when it becomes a truly big problem. Not sure where this leaves me on the scale of needing/not needing professional help, including meds. Maybe I have a slight chemical imbalance that could be corrected by a low dosage of the right med? |
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Sep 03, 2009 1:50 PM GMT
My only obsessive / compulsive behavior is Real Jock and Facebook.
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Sep 03, 2009 2:39 PM GMT
Ganymede0 said
Bipolar disorder is characterized by episodes of depression countered with episodes of mania.
If you only experience depression, you are depressed. If you are only experiencing mania, you are hyperactive or some other disorder.
Bipolar disorder is both depression and mania; not one or the other. That is why it is given that label. That used to be the standard belief. My dad, a retired psychiatrist, told me that the newest research is showing that all depression is a form of bipolar disorder, and that there are a significant number of people who never cross over into the manic phase. Chemically, apparently, they are so closely related as to be indistinguishable. |
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Sep 03, 2009 2:48 PM GMT
Hey mystic_man!!
OCD can be hoarding - there's a show on it on TV now. They can't stop collecting stuff. In this show, people intervene and clean up the person's place.
We know a few hoarders and they fill their homes with stuff; little pathways from room to room.
As for OCDers in general, we think this is nothing new, but more a trend to create drastic disease for big $$$.
Our joke is that if you required extensive surgery would you want an ocd meticulous surgeon or a laid back one?
We think a lot of meticulous and conscientious people are misdiagnosed with ODC, or made to think their application of such in their home life or work is a failing rather than an advantageous tool to be worked with.
A psychologist friend of ours tries to teach OCD prone people to use it like a muscle and exercise it on specifics so it can have benefits, and being exercised, will rest at other times.
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Sep 16, 2009 7:03 PM GMT
francisx saidPianist saidMystic_Man saidturk saidthis mental disorder is not about only tidyness and cleanness. another form of this disorder is cant throwing away old useless things.
I have understood that a person who suffers fron OCD....has everything in order like a clean home...they just can't leave. Maybe it has more faces to it than we understand.
There are many, many more faces to the disorder than most understand. It does not have to do with order or cleanliness. It is simply a disorder characterized by intrusive thoughts that produce anxiety, by repetitive behaviors aimed at reducing anxiety, or by combinations of such thoughts (obsessions) and behaviors (compulsions). Obsessions can range from a fear of contracting a disease, to religious obsessions, to hoarding, to not being able to drive because you fear that you've run somebody over, to fear of walking on the cracks of a sidewalk. Sufferers know their fears are unfounded but cannot help it because of a chemical imbalance in the brain (biological).
Therefore, simply wanting a very tidy room and cleaning it is not OCD because it causes no anxiety and produces no severe emotional and economic loss.
Yes, this is truly a disorder, though many do not take it seriously because they mistake their own healthy worries with full blown Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. Again, what separates OCD from orderly people is that an OCD sufferer's obsessions produce severe distress until (and often even after) the compulsion is performed.
You really seem to know what you're talking about. Maybe you can answer a couple of questions. Is it possible to have some sort of "light" version of this disorder-- i.e., bad enough to be a genuine problem that needs fixing but not as severe as the classic, full-blown version of OCD? If so, would a person with the "light" version be a good candidate for meds? Are there good meds for obsessive thoughts? Are they scary, strong chemicals with potential bad side effects or safe, effective stuff with little risk? Thanks in advance for any advice/info. I'll start the post off with the obligatory notification that I am not a doctor or health care professional. As few as twenty years ago medications that treated OCD caused as many or more problems than they solved. The school of thought was to prescribe them as little as possible. If they did need to be employed, it was recommended that the patient get off of them as soon as possible. Since then we have almost come full circle. Modern selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRI's) are very effective and patients rarely report side effects. Nowadays you would want a pretty good reason before you tried to get off the medication - especially since new studies have reported that the drugs are often less effective the second time around. It is important to realize that the medications don't typically "solve" the problem. I like to think of the SSRIs as Nicorette Gum. The gum itself doesn't make you a non-smoker, but it does take the edge off enough so that the person taking it can make headway. Medications are simply one tool of many that can aid in achieving a "normal" life. Exposure and response prevention treatment (ERP) is another tool that can help. If you are experiencing obsessions and compulsions on a regular basis that cause distress and loss of productivity or a marked quality of life issue I would urge you to make an appointment with a certified mental health expert. I'd say if it's bothering you enough to ask about it, make an appointment and see what the doctor says anyway. To this day the medical field still does not fully understand the human brain, much less the causes of the condition and effects the disorder has on the brain. It is upsetting that mental health issues do not receive as much publicity or as many donations as other tragic illnesses simply because of the attached stigma and the fact that the sufferer does not present physical signs of distress. |
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Sep 16, 2009 7:16 PM GMT
my favorite OCD quote is from Will and Grace.
[Ellen asked Grace to baby-sit her kids but is now upset because she assumed Will would be there as well and he is out of town and she no longer wants Grace to do it]
Ellen: You know what I just realized? Rob's sister can probably do it. She lives closer to us anyway.
Grace: Judy? The one who has to turn the lights on 14 times or the oceans will dry up?
Karen: Ellen, why would you leave your kids with someone who has such an important job?
I don't think I have OCD, the most I obsess over is a dirty house. I won't even cook until the kitchen is clean, i.e. no dishes in the sink and all that. And it bugs me to sit and watch t.v. or something when the house is a disaster area.
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Sep 16, 2009 7:22 PM GMT
spryte.....BAHAHAH  = no OCD for me.  these have also begun to hlep.  this helps if i am really bad shape... |
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Sep 16, 2009 7:28 PM GMT
At work I definitely show tendencies of OCD. I work in an environment where organization is a must and the people around me were rather messy and unorganized and it would always come back to bite me in the ass. So I sorta kicked it into high gear and became somewhat (read: very) domineering, as I look back, but it's made us a very productive center. I think I got on their nerves so much that they got their shit together.  |
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Sep 17, 2009 7:02 AM GMT
Definitely not here, but no slob. OCD as a diagnosis and disorder when you do rituals that actually interfere with you daily events, preventing you from getting real things done. or when things must be just so in order for you to relax. Having anxiety from things being out of place or repetative behavior, some being; hand washing, having to do certain tasks more than once, constant organizing and cleaning self or home. I have a buddy with it, and it interferes with his sleep and work and daily living. He is seeking treatment for it. It is an anxiety producing complelling feeling. If you have these signs seek help or medication, why suffer in this day and age.   |
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Sep 17, 2009 7:08 AM GMT
I am too lazy to be obsessive compulsive.
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Sep 17, 2009 7:11 AM GMT
I'm sorry, I can't answer the question now. I haven't walked seven times backwards around my computer yet.
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Sep 17, 2009 7:54 AM GMT
I was very OC as a kid, and had a bunch of different rituals (most of which I would only do in private, though). One of them got me in trouble - I always had to flick water on the ceiling before I stepped out of the shower. I think my sister put 2 and 2 together one day when she realized that the ceiling was always wet when I left the bathroom and how a mildew stain was forming there  . Some of my other rituals stuck around for a while, though. I would count teethbrushing strokes, the number of times I applied deodorant, the number of steps I took from the shower to the bathroom. Anything that applied to cleaning and preparing myself for the day, really. Thankfully, most of those rituals went away when I started college (dorms = no privacy). I still have trouble with odd numbers, though - sometimes I'll do things twice just to round things off nicely. Afterward I feel pretty stupid, but I still end up doing it  . |
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Oct 02, 2009 7:42 AM GMT
jprichva saidOCD isn't necessarily characterized by being a neat freak.
A true OCD has rituals, and odd ones: someone may have to walk seven times around his house before leaving, someone else may have to wash his hands thirty times a day. The rituals often (but not uniformly) involve cleanliness, but they can involve other things: counting the number of times you chew your food, reciting phrases before or during a particular task.
If these things don't disrupt your life, they're just eccentricities.
But the true OCD suffers constant disruption, due to how much time he may spend performing his rituals, and also social ostracism, since these things often seem very strange and off-putting to people he meets. I was like that as a kid, I used to touch the railing on the street to school twice for every bar it had. If i didnt things didnt seem right. Or i had to check the door three times before I was sure it is closed, and i knew that it was just a ritual, but i did it anyway. At one point I used to constantly drum on my head...And much much more. I grew out of them all in due time. Is it possible that i still have OCD and it is just dormant? |
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Oct 02, 2009 7:52 AM GMT
Yeah...I've got something.  |
