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    May 23, 2009 3:24 PM GMT
    http://metacafe.com/watch/859100/horse_side_running icon_cry.gif sad for bull but the show is great. magnificent moves icon_cool.gif
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    May 23, 2009 7:14 PM GMT
    PETA needs to get involved..blatant animal cruelty
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    May 23, 2009 7:25 PM GMT
    turk saidhttp://metacafe.com/watch/859100/horse_side_running icon_cry.gif sad for bull but the show is great. magnificent moves icon_cool.gif


    Are you bloody fucking kidding me?!? There is nothing, NOTHING, remotely magnificent about this! You are an absolute fucking moron to not see the cruelty going on here. And not just for the bull. These horses get fatally wounded all of the time!!

    Anyone, A N Y O N E, who does not see the absoulte cruelty in this barbaric practice is as big of an arsehole as the OP!! You are utterly disgusting.

    There is no reason for anyone to be cruel to an animal. None. Even though I hate hunting and hunters, this is much worse.

    I would love nothing more then to physically do to ANY human, that watches, attends, or even approves these acts of cruelty, these exact same things to them. I would bloody fucking love it.

    YOU MAKE ME SICK, OP, YOU BLOODY FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT!!!

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    May 23, 2009 7:46 PM GMT
    Yeah, I don't even need to watch this video to know there is NOTHING magnificent about it. icon_confused.gif
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    May 23, 2009 7:51 PM GMT
    PETA can try, they have been trying but it's just a slow progress.

  • May 23, 2009 7:53 PM GMT
    I do have to say that the horse is amazing, however I do not support how the bull is treated... even if it is a cultural thing.
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    May 23, 2009 7:54 PM GMT
    It is a terrible thing to do to the bull ... icon_cry.gif... and they call it "sport"???? ... icon_evil.gif
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    May 23, 2009 8:00 PM GMT
    Extremely cruel to animals and very sadistic on the part of the humans. Screw PETA though, they're fucking crazy
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    May 23, 2009 8:17 PM GMT
    bsubioguy saidExtremely cruel to animals and very sadistic on the part of the humans. Screw PETA though, they're fucking crazy


    Yeah, you're right. Screw PETA.
    An organisation that exists for the ridiculous reason of protecting animals. Why would we want anyone out there to protect animals and expose humanity's cruelty to them?!! icon_confused.gif

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    Musclequest said Yeah, you're right. Screw PETA.
    An organisation that exists for the ridiculous reason of protecting animals. Why would we want anyone out there to protect animals and expose humanity's cruelty to them?!!

    There is something troubling about people who care more about animals than they do for their fellow human beings.

    And I say this as a dedicated animal lover.


    You know why? Because animals are completely innocent. Man puts them into unspeakable circumstances. Man is horribly cruel to animals with no remourse at all. Take these arseholes who participate, watch, or approve the subject matter of this thread.

    Man, most humans anyway, have a brain in that lump three feet above their arses that allow themselves to be put in bad circumstances. Yet THEY CAN GET THEMSELVES OUT OF THEM AS WELL. Animals can't.

    I absolutely care more about animals then people. No doubt about it. I literally give thousands and thousands of dollars a year to various animal rights groups and shelters. I will not give a BLOODY PENNY to human charities ever!

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    May 23, 2009 9:54 PM GMT
    Musclequest said... Man puts them into unspeakable circumstances. ... Yet THEY CAN GET THEMSELVES OUT OF THEM AS WELL. ...
    I will not give a BLOODY PENNY to human charities ever!

    -Keith
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    Now, now! . Bad things can happen to good people and good people need help now and then.



    a tad off topic...but it came to mind....another interesting book:

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    Musclequest said... Man puts them into unspeakable circumstances. ... Yet THEY CAN GET THEMSELVES OUT OF THEM AS WELL. ...
    I will not give a BLOODY PENNY to human charities ever!

    -Keith
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    Now, now! . Bad things can happen to good people and good people need help now and then.



    a tad off topic...but it came to mind....another interesting book:

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    Actually what I said was: "Man, most humans anyway, have a brain in that lump three feet above their arses that allow themselves to be put in bad circumstances. Yet THEY CAN GET THEMSELVES OUT OF THEM AS WELL. Animals can't."

    Well if people want to help other people, that's great for them. That's why there are charities out there for them.

    Animals, in my opinion, are certainly for more deserved of help and compassion. They are in the bad circumstances they are because of humans.

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    May 23, 2009 10:16 PM GMT
    The bull doesn't deserve that kind of treatment... but then again here we are getting all heated about an animal when we do such cruelty to our own kind.

    I must admit that they train those horses very well. Gosh, they can really move..
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    May 23, 2009 10:20 PM GMT
    Dante_redux saidThe bull doesn't deserve that kind of treatment... but then again here we are getting all heated about an animal when we do such cruelty to our own kind.

    I must admit that they train those horses very well. Gosh, they can really move..


    You're right! FUCK the animals. Let's worry about humans. Let's continue to put animals in bad circumstances for our amusement and ignorance, and then let them try to help themselves out. Won't that be fun?
    How bloody "humane" of you.

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    NB- By the way.....those horses that "really can move" MANY are fatally killed before the bull is. But brava!!!! We love our "sports!"
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    May 23, 2009 11:13 PM GMT
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    Dante_redux saidThe bull doesn't deserve that kind of treatment... but then again here we are getting all heated about an animal when we do such cruelty to our own kind.

    I must admit that they train those horses very well. Gosh, they can really move..


    You're right! FUCK the animals. Let's worry about humans. Let's continue to put animals in bad circumstances for our amusement and ignorance, and then let them try to help themselves out. How bloody "humane" of you.

    -Keith
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    NB- By the way.....those horses that "really can move" MANY are fatally killed before the bull is. But brava!!!! We love our "sports!"


    You know, having an attitude like that won’t solve the problem.
    Bullfighting breathes culture and entertainment. Its origins date back before Christ and the traditions have endured and have been passed down for hundreds of years amongst many families.

    It's all about power and dominance. Man vs. Nature. In ancient times bulls were worshiped as deities. If a man can triumph over this animal, then he would be thought of to be greater than god. In the modern era, times and beliefs have changed but the thrill of the battle still draws crowds.

    Now, just because it is widely embraced by popular culture doesn't make the sport humane in any reason (it is also widely criticized, as we all know).
    Try to change the minds of those who grew up around this tradition. Do you believe they see your views through their own eyes? Of course not because they were raised to believe that bullfighting is a sport of honor, courage, strength and sacrifice. Those engrained beliefs are hard to change when you lived with them all your life.

    If you want to fight to change those beliefs then more power to you. The battle will not be easy in the least.
    But sitting here bitching about how wrong it is and flaming people for making comments that conflict with your ideas is COUNTER PRODUCTIVE! You are only creating more animosity and conflict. Progress can NOT be achieved through anger and hostility.

    And do not assume anything. I was merely making an observation that the horses that the mounted matadors were riding are well trained. I never said anything about how cool or indicated that I approved of what they are doing. I don't appreciate you projecting your anger onto me. When you are ready to have a legitimate reason to be angry, then feel free to flame me.
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    May 24, 2009 12:12 AM GMT
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    Musclequest said
    Dante_redux saidThe bull doesn't deserve that kind of treatment... but then again here we are getting all heated about an animal when we do such cruelty to our own kind.

    I must admit that they train those horses very well. Gosh, they can really move..


    You're right! FUCK the animals. Let's worry about humans. Let's continue to put animals in bad circumstances for our amusement and ignorance, and then let them try to help themselves out. How bloody "humane" of you.

    -Keith
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    NB- By the way.....those horses that "really can move" MANY are fatally killed before the bull is. But brava!!!! We love our "sports!"


    You know, having an attitude like that won’t solve the problem.
    Bullfighting breathes culture and entertainment. Its origins date back before Christ and the traditions have endured and have been passed down for hundreds of years amongst many families.

    It's all about power and dominance. Man vs. Nature. In ancient times bulls were worshiped as deities. If a man can triumph over this animal, then he would be thought of to be greater than god. In the modern era, times and beliefs have changed but the thrill of the battle still draws crowds.

    Now, just because it is widely embraced by popular culture doesn't make the sport humane in any reason (it is also widely criticized, as we all know).
    Try to change the minds of those who grew up around this tradition. Do you believe they see your views through their own eyes? Of course not because they were raised to believe that bullfighting is a sport of honor, courage, strength and sacrifice. Those engrained beliefs are hard to change when you lived with them all your life.

    If you want to fight to change those beliefs then more power to you. The battle will not be easy in the least.
    But sitting here bitching about how wrong it is and flaming people for making comments that conflict with your ideas is COUNTER PRODUCTIVE! You are only creating more animosity and conflict. Progress can NOT be achieved through anger and hostility.

    And do not assume anything. I was merely making an observation that the horses that the mounted matadors were riding are well trained. I never said anything about how cool or indicated that I approved of what they are doing. I don't appreciate you projecting your anger onto me. When you are ready to have a legitimate reason to be angry, then feel free to flame me.


    "Bullfighting breathes culture and entertainment." Are you bloody kidding me with that? Don't you hear how utterly stupid that sounds? Are you flipping daft?!?

    Just because some inhumane and barbaric sods have been doing it for generations doesn't mean a thing. Because they are raised to inflict unbelievable amounts of pain and then death makes it OK? You sir are a bloody fool if for one second you actually think this is acceptable because they have always done it.
    And I will project my anger and outrage against anyone who condones this and admires a single aspect of it.
    "The horses are well trained"....big fucking deal! They are running to save their own lives. Have you ever witnessed this barbarism before? I have. There is nothing in the least bit noble about it. I wished I could have knocked the rider off of his horse and let the bull have at him. There would be your entertainment.

    I do MUCH more then bitch about it you dolt. I stop the carnage of animals for the pleasure of idiots as much as I physically can.

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    May 24, 2009 12:30 AM GMT
    Now I don't want to start another flame war going on, but I must say Keith, you need to breath a bit. Of course animals are important, they are very innocent, and I love my dog so much, if anyone hurt him I would pretty much raise hell, but to not care about humans, is inhumane in itself.

    Now my family is spanish, and I tell you, bullfighting was big with my older folks, not so much now with my dad, but as Dante said, it is a cultural thing. You'll have to get over it, that's what it is, you WON'T, AND i REPEAT WILL NEVER! change a country's culture that has been established since 210 BC and before that really.

    Now I love animals as much as the next person, but the fact of the matter is humans will always be superior, maybe in somethings, and maybe not in other things, but the fact that there is full human potential proves it. animals live off instincts, humans do too, but humans have the capability of choice.

    take a yoga class, and a meditation class, no need to get furious. if you know you are doing something to help animals, all you should do is smile at night.
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    May 24, 2009 12:39 AM GMT
    Dog fighting and cock fighting are deeply rooted in cultural tradition, too, but it makes them no less inhumane. It's a weak argument for a so-called sport as cruel as bullfighting. I challenge our young latin members to step up and be part of a generation that stops perpetuating a reverence of this mindless violence.
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    May 24, 2009 12:48 AM GMT
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    bsubioguy saidExtremely cruel to animals and very sadistic on the part of the humans. Screw PETA though, they're fucking crazy


    Yeah, you're right. Screw PETA.
    An organisation that exists for the ridiculous reason of protecting animals. Why would we want anyone out there to protect animals and expose humanity's cruelty to them?!! icon_confused.gif

    -Keith
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    do you have pets? PETA doesn't think you should have pets (if you read what they are truly about)

    i sure as hell know my kitten is living a much better life then the one she would be living if in the wild.
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    Musclequest said
    bsubioguy saidExtremely cruel to animals and very sadistic on the part of the humans. Screw PETA though, they're fucking crazy


    Yeah, you're right. Screw PETA.
    An organisation that exists for the ridiculous reason of protecting animals. Why would we want anyone out there to protect animals and expose humanity's cruelty to them?!! icon_confused.gif

    -Keith
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    do you have pets? PETA doesn't think you should have pets (if you read what they are truly about)

    i sure as hell know my kitten is living a much better life then the one she would be living if in the wild.


    As a member of PETA, that's not true.
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    May 24, 2009 1:07 AM GMT
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    Musclequest said
    bsubioguy saidExtremely cruel to animals and very sadistic on the part of the humans. Screw PETA though, they're fucking crazy


    Yeah, you're right. Screw PETA.
    An organisation that exists for the ridiculous reason of protecting animals. Why would we want anyone out there to protect animals and expose humanity's cruelty to them?!! icon_confused.gif

    -Keith
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    do you have pets? PETA doesn't think you should have pets (if you read what they are truly about)

    i sure as hell know my kitten is living a much better life then the one she would be living if in the wild.


    Perhaps you should read up about PETA a bit, like how they "humanely euthanize" (kill) more than half of the animals they "rescue." Or how they support the Animal Liberation Front which firebombs animal testing facilities and makes death threats to doctors, scientists, and politicians. They would want to see you jailed for having a pet, going to the zoo, or riding a horse no matter how humanely those animals are treated and loved.
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    May 24, 2009 1:16 AM GMT
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    chaos444 said
    Musclequest said
    bsubioguy saidExtremely cruel to animals and very sadistic on the part of the humans. Screw PETA though, they're fucking crazy


    Yeah, you're right. Screw PETA.
    An organisation that exists for the ridiculous reason of protecting animals. Why would we want anyone out there to protect animals and expose humanity's cruelty to them?!! icon_confused.gif

    -Keith
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    do you have pets? PETA doesn't think you should have pets (if you read what they are truly about)

    i sure as hell know my kitten is living a much better life then the one she would be living if in the wild.


    Perhaps you should read up about PETA a bit, like how they "humanely euthanize" (kill) more than half of the animals they "rescue." Or how they support the Animal Liberation Front which firebombs animal testing facilities and makes death threats to doctors, scientists, and politicians. They would want to see you jailed for having a pet, going to the zoo, or riding a horse no matter how humanely those animals are treated and loved.


    Once again another person speaking from their arse.
    Making threats....even physically harming those doctors and scientists who harm animals by using them for tests....isn't exactly a bad thing now. Do you work for Proctor and Gamble or something?

    No PETA does not want you jailed for having a pet. They DO want you jailed for taking wild animals in as pets. Get your facts straight.

    Zoos are not a good thing in my mind quite frankly. There is no point to them. Other then harshly capturing animals from their native lands, usually destroying its family dynamic, and confining it in a cage so moronic humans can go gawk at them, what purpose do they bloody serve?
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    Once again another person speaking from their arse.
    Making threats....even physically harming those doctors and scientists who harm animals by using them for tests....isn't exactly a bad thing now. Do you work for Proctor and Gamble or something?

    No PETA does not want you jailed for having a pet. They DO want you jailed for taking wild animals in as pets. Get your facts straight.

    Zoos are not a good thing in my mind quite frankly. There is no point to them. Other then harshly capturing animals from their native lands, usually destroying its family dynamic, and confining it in a cage so moronic humans can go gawk at them, what purpose do they bloody serve?
    -Keith
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    I think your comment on harming educated individuals working for the betterment of human health speaks for itself. You may disagree and choose not to accept any of the thousands of medical treatments created from animal testing, but threatening physical harm or doing physical harm to these people to incite fear makes someone a terrorist.

    As for pets, let's see what Ingrid Newkirk (president of PETA) has to say:

    “There is no hidden agenda. If anybody wonders about -- what’s this with all these reforms -- you can hear us clearly. Our goal is total animal liberation. [emphasis added]”
    — “Animal Rights 2002” convention, Jun 2002
    “Pet ownership is an absolutely abysmal situation brought about by human manipulation.”
    — Harper's, Aug 1988
    “One day, we would like an end to pet shops and the breeding of animals. [Dogs] would pursue their natural lives in the wild ... they would have full lives, not wasting at home for someone to come home in the evening and pet them and then sit there and watch TV.”
    — The Chicago Daily Herald, Mar 1990

    And zoos are extremely important. Zoos are staging grounds for education and fundraising for animal conservation around the world. Seeing an animal up close is a far more personal experience than seeing them on television, and it inspires their conservation worldwide. Modern zoos are extremely humane, and most breed endangered species for reintroduction into the wild. As for a specific example, the Tasmanian Devil is currently plagued by a facial tumor disease which is wiping out the wild population. It is very possible the only chance for the survival of the species is unexposed individuals held in Australian zoos and other zoos worldwide.
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    May 24, 2009 1:42 AM GMT
    there is no arguing with a cult.

    but you can show the horrible decisions they make.

    like this:

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    did PETA get this man's family's permission to use his tortured body for there ads? wait his family probably was massacred as well.

    i don't think Jew's took to kindly to these ads.

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    how about putting people on par with chickens, one of the stupidest animals out there. Hmmmm when i was learning about the holocaust i never thought that these people crammed onto wooden beds should be likened to chickens but hey, to PETA an animal's life is worth more then a humans i guess , or is at least equal to that of a human

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    Musclequest said
    Once again another person speaking from their arse.
    Making threats....even physically harming those doctors and scientists who harm animals by using them for tests....isn't exactly a bad thing now. Do you work for Proctor and Gamble or something?

    No PETA does not want you jailed for having a pet. They DO want you jailed for taking wild animals in as pets. Get your facts straight.

    Zoos are not a good thing in my mind quite frankly. There is no point to them. Other then harshly capturing animals from their native lands, usually destroying its family dynamic, and confining it in a cage so moronic humans can go gawk at them, what purpose do they bloody serve?
    -Keith
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    I think your comment on harming educated individuals working for the betterment of human health speaks for itself. You may disagree and choose not to accept any of the thousands of medical treatments created from animal testing, but threatening physical harm or doing physical harm to these people to incite fear makes someone a terrorist.

    As for pets, let's see what Ingrid Newkirk (president of PETA) has to say:

    “There is no hidden agenda. If anybody wonders about -- what’s this with all these reforms -- you can hear us clearly. Our goal is total animal liberation. [emphasis added]”
    — “Animal Rights 2002” convention, Jun 2002
    “Pet ownership is an absolutely abysmal situation brought about by human manipulation.”
    — Harper's, Aug 1988
    “One day, we would like an end to pet shops and the breeding of animals. [Dogs] would pursue their natural lives in the wild ... they would have full lives, not wasting at home for someone to come home in the evening and pet them and then sit there and watch TV.”
    — The Chicago Daily Herald, Mar 1990

    And zoos are extremely important. Zoos are staging grounds for education and fundraising for animal conservation around the world. Seeing an animal up close is a far more personal experience than seeing them on television, and it inspires their conservation worldwide. Modern zoos are extremely humane, and most breed endangered species for reintroduction into the wild. As for a specific example, the Tasmanian Devil is currently plagued by a facial tumor disease which is wiping out the wild population. It is very possible the only chance for the survival of the species is unexposed individuals held in Australian zoos and other zoos worldwide.


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