Time for a change

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    May 25, 2009 11:03 AM GMT
    It just seems to me that when you start doing tit for tat, you are playing into the hands of your foes. They call you this, so you change it to that. We, as gay people, always seem to be playing defense. Why? Why not play offense? Why not take it to them?

    We are a huge voting block but we get nothing. We get lip service, but in reality we get nothing. We march every now and then. What has that brought us? When will we finally DO something? We do nothing. We march on Pride. The world looks on, yawns, and we get nothing. Oh, Gays on Parade. It must be late June. Pride something or other.

    Were is the next Harvey Milk? The next real Harvey Milk? Someone with balls? The national leader we can rally around that will make a difference? We do not have that. I think it has passed my generation by, 46yo's. We did allot. But we need a young 20 something, someone with passion and leadership and charisma and communication skills.

    Who is that guy? I, for one, do not want my rights that I deserve given to me piecemeal over the next 20 years. I do not want to keep donating money to twenty gay groups that keep telling me that they will get change. I want it now! I am tired of waiting.

    We need a guy. Not a group, not a constituency, not a forum, not a committee to look into the matter. Not a PR company. We need one guy that we can all get behind and that can speak for us. That we can all get behind and when he says he speaks for us, he is not speaking for this group or that, he is speaking for all 3 million of us.

    We need that guy now. But gays are like hearding cats. Maybe the better anology would be a crab pot. Every crab that tries to climb out gets pulled down by the other crabs. We need to stop being the crabs.

    We need to speak with one voice, behind one leader. And maybe we will not all get what we personally want. No one does. But we will get the big issue items. Gay Marriage, Gays in the military. Free to Serve and get the benefits of serving. If some gay kid from Oklahoma wants to use the military as a way out of poverty, more power to him.

    I do not have the answer. I only pose the question. Do we have a Milk? Do we have our Martin Luther King? Can we put aside our individual needs and differences? Can we get behind one guy and change this country? I think we can. It will not be my generation but I have faith that the next generation can do it. But my generation and those before me have to be the push, the impetus. We did alot. Now we need to make it happen.
  • UncleverName

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    May 25, 2009 2:36 PM GMT
    Hey Triggerman, are you this man that you speak of? Could you not be him?

    To quote Ghandi: "Be the change you want to see in the world"
  • calibro

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    May 25, 2009 2:50 PM GMT
    Welcome to the lovely land of being a minority! Where the one side of the political spectrum is against you and the other side knows they have your vote without ever having to do anything for you simply because they know you'd never vote for the other side.
  • Klutch84

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    May 25, 2009 2:53 PM GMT
    We have someone, and his name is Perez Hilton. HAHA
  • HndsmKansan

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    May 25, 2009 2:57 PM GMT
    Well Triggerman, much of what you say makes sense..... but...

    Then comes the competing views we all hold.. and political views.
    Someone who "holds our views dear" may have to compromise on other issues to make his point. If he didn't proclaim himself to be a "democrat" or
    support other "perceived liberal" issues, he or she might not have the same influence that might be otherwise....

    It can be a tough paradox...a diffcult road to success.
  • Klutch84

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    May 25, 2009 3:02 PM GMT
    calibro saidWelcome to the lovely land of being a minority! Where the one side of the political spectrum is against you and the other side knows they have your vote without ever having to do anything for you simply because they know you'd never vote for the other side.


    Oh please, gay whites are treated much better than gay people of color. We're hit with a double whammy and we have to listen to this guy with the white privilege complain? Whatev.
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    May 25, 2009 3:03 PM GMT
    As someone who works in the LGBT civil rights movement, I have to say that our biggest impediment to victory is that our community doesn't financially support our organizations.

    Research has shown that only about 3% of LGBT adults give money to movement organizations. I suspect this is because most minorities are raised within their minority community and they are taught to support their community with financial and morale resources.

    Philanthropy is a major reason that the Jewish community has managed (despite being a similar size minority) has been able to advance their rights and agenda. Similarly, the religious right has enormous resources because those who believe in their agenda put their money where their mouth's are...

    What do you think?

    [Edited to fix a boo-boo]
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    May 25, 2009 3:08 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidAs someone who works in the LGBT civil rights movement, I have to say that our biggest impediment to victory is that our community doesn't financially support our organizations.

    Research has shown that only about 3% of LGBT adults give money to movement organizations. I suspect this is because most minorities are raised within their minority community and they are taught to support their community with financial and morale resources.

    Philanthropy (or tithing) is a major reason that the Jewish community has managed (despite being a similar size minority) has been able to advance their rights and agenda. Similarly, the religious right has enormous resources because those who believe in their agenda put their money where their mouth's are...

    What do you think?


    eh, well gay guys do put their money in the agenda they believe in... check the club scene and parties and shopping and gyms etc icon_razz.gif...
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    May 25, 2009 3:09 PM GMT
    jprichva said
    Christian73 said Philanthropy (or tithing) is a major reason that the Jewish community has managed (despite being a similar size minority) has been able to advance their rights and agenda.

    The whole concept of tithing, a mandatory handing over of a set percentage of income, is totally foreign to Judaism.

    The tradition of tzedakah--charity---is very strong, though.


    Whoops! My own heritage is shining through there, huh?
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    May 25, 2009 4:48 PM GMT
    hey trigger! I have been feeling the exact same way lately...seems like every election we have a candidate that tells us what we want to hear and then when they get in its a whole different story.

    I dont think anything will change though until we come together as a people and do something ourselves. The civil rights movement was brought on by so many things....but they all stood together as a people, a movement.

    We need to quit sitting in the back of the bus and march protest and raise hell until we make them listen and they know we are not going away.