Tonight (Monday, May 25) on The History Channel at 9

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    May 25, 2009 6:57 PM GMT
    I know that different locations broadcast differently, so this may not apply to everybody.

    But in the DC area, tonight at 9 is a 2 hour show on Ida, that new primate that is 47 million years old...

    For more than a century, scientists have raced to unravel the human family tree and have grappled with its complications. Now, with an astonishing new discovery, everything we thought we knew about primate origins could change. Lying inside a high-security vault, deep within the heart of one of the world’s leading natural history museums, is the scientific find of a lifetime — a perfectly fossilized early primate, older than the previously most famous primate fossil, Lucy, by forty-four million years. A secret until now, the fossil — “Ida” to the researchers who have painstakingly verified her provenance — is the most complete primate fossil ever found. Forty-seven million years old, Ida rewrites what we’ve assumed about the earliest primate origins. Her completeness is unparalleled — so much of what we understand about evolution comes from partial fossils and even single bones, but Ida’s fossilization offers much more than that, from a haunting “skin shadow” to her stomach contents. And, remarkably, knowledge of her discovery and existence almost never saw the light of day. With exclusive access to the first scientists to study her, the award-winning science writer Colin Tudge tells the history of Ida and her place in the world. A magnificent, cutting-edge scientific detective story followed her discovery, and The Link offers a wide-ranging investigation into Ida and our earliest origins. At the same time, it opens a stunningly evocative window into our past and changes what we know about primate evolution and, ultimately, our own.
    Rating: TVPG

    Running Time: 120 minutes

    Here is an article on CNN about the creature:
    http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/science/05/19/human.ancestor/index.html

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    May 26, 2009 2:40 PM GMT
    Good enough show. Very exciting discovery.

    I was shocked to see how out of shape many of those scientists were. . icon_eek.gif. Even the chief norwegian scientist who is still young!
  • Timbales

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    May 26, 2009 2:42 PM GMT
    I watched some of it. Interesting stuff.
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    May 26, 2009 2:48 PM GMT
    I missed it icon_eek.gif I will have to see if you can view it on the web!
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    May 26, 2009 2:51 PM GMT
    I watched it! It was really good, although they dragged it out too long with all the ads and some of the recaps after the ads. It kind of made me wish we had lemurs here...
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    May 26, 2009 3:57 PM GMT
    It's a big nail in the coffin for the anti-evolutionists. Here is an example of the common link before the primates split off into prosimians and anthropoids. Ida brings the two great branches together. And she is so complete so there can be little debate. And with modern scanning technology, they are able to create a 3-D model of her...all her bones and teeth. Doesnt leave much to the imagination.

    And that sink hole in Germany is an amazing place.
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    May 26, 2009 4:02 PM GMT
    Thank you Caslon!


    I would like to take this moment to officially coin a new phrase that replaces "Thank God!"





    THANK IDA!



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    May 26, 2009 4:06 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidThank you Caslon!


    I would like to take this moment to officially coin a new phrase that replaces "Thank God!"





    THANK IDA!

    Oh that's good. Realize Ida's name is pronounced with the "I" sounding like a long "E" ...It's the name of the norwegians scientist's 5 year old daughter. Ida was at the same developmental stage at the time of her death as the daughter, so he named the fossil after her.
  • Timbales

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    May 26, 2009 4:13 PM GMT
    You can't debate with creationists. I've heard them dismiss the validity of carbon dating. This will mean nothing to them.
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    May 26, 2009 4:45 PM GMT
    This is good stuff, and I've always loved things like this. I do believe in god, and I do believe god created all living things, and his creation of man, is unique from all other creations. So no I don't believe we came from apes, or amoebas ect. I also believe, and know the earth is EXTREMELY old, creationist usually believe the earth is only 6000 years old, which is ridiculous.

    There are TONS of things hidden in museums, and such that we don't know about. I think it was last month they had a show on the History channel with all this evidence discovered about the Exodus story in the bible. All of the archeological, geological, and scientific evidence matched everything with the bible 100%, it was very fascinating, and pretty creepy. Was also interesting how a lot of scholars were hiding all of this stuff, or giving misinformation, and how the military of Egypt, as well as some religious groups, were extremely cautious about letting the team do their work. They actually had to lie to all of them, telling them they were studying about the great pharaoh and all.

    With as old as the earth is, I also know that there were all sorts of animals, that we still do not know about today, as well as plants, so while its not very surprising to me, I do love this stuff and always think its fascinating.

    Most scientist believe in god, but they really cannot go about like that. Darwin also believed in god, and his whole man came from apes thing, was just a theory. No surprise they share stuff with man. I also do believe in evolution, but again the creation of man is unique to all other living things.