Smoking, and obesity, the end result

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    May 26, 2009 1:07 AM GMT
    I understand that not everyone here is a Real Jock. Bearing that in mind, I hope that if you smoke, you'll consider the end results.

    This morning, my mom passed away from COPD. Her hemoglobin went to 40 and so she was given more morphine to pass in peace as opposed to being put on a ventilator. Mom watched most of her friends die from lung cancer, directly resultant from the glamorous days of smoking. Fortunely, Mom was spared the cancer, and just got unable to get enough oxygen to survive.

    My dad's mother died from obesity.

    If you set back and let a loved one destroy themselves through food, or smoke, you might be taking the wrong position. Of course, I still believe in free will.

    There is NO positive outcome to smoking. There is no positive outcome to being a fat ass.

    Over the years, I watched my Mom's friend's die. If you smoke, please, ponder the ultimate outcome of smoking: a premature death. If you're a fat ass, ponder that outcome, as well.

    I'm grateful that Mom did not end up in long term care. I'm grateful she wasn't on a ventilator. I'm sad that, even though she stopped smoking a number of years back (nearly two decades), it was NOT soon enough. She won't see her grandchildren play hockey or be in the school play.

    Next time you light up, think on the story of SO MANY of my Mom's generation: dead.

    Don't inflict needless suffering upon yourself, your loved ones, or burden the system though derelict behavior. Walk away from the cigs.
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    May 26, 2009 1:38 AM GMT
    My condolences, Chucky.

    As for loved ones who make poor lifestyle choices, they are not my responsibility. For all the lecturing I could give them about their junkfood vegan obesity (vegans who don't like vegetables... WTF?), they would feel equally justified in lecturing me about my omnivorous ways.
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    May 26, 2009 4:54 AM GMT
    :-) Dead cow is yummy.
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    May 26, 2009 5:02 AM GMT
    My condolences, Chuck icon_sad.gif
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    May 26, 2009 5:08 AM GMT
    No matter what you post, it seems like you are always trying to instigate some sort of negative energy. Im very sorry about your mom and I agree smoking and obesity are problems. But why do you wish to divide "Real Jocks" from "fake jocks" on this website in your opening sentence?
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    May 26, 2009 5:27 AM GMT
    InsatiableBloom saidNo matter what you post, it seems like you are always trying to instigate some sort of negative energy. Im very sorry about your mom and I agree smoking and obesity are problems. But why do you wish to divide "Real Jocks" from "fake jocks" on this website in your opening sentence?


    You can answer your own question.

    There are those folks, such as yourself, who have no clue as to focus, hard work discipline, patience, and focus. E.g...not eating junk food is easy if you're strong willed. Same thing with being in shape. You'd rather whine about your failures and never change anything and whine about others than step up and take responsibility for your own stuff.

    You're a whiner.

    If I provoke a NEGATIVE thought about smoking, or being a fat ass, and save even SINGLE life, I've done a VERY GOOD THING, no matter what you might think. You'd be the problem than the solution, and, for that, I have no respect.

    I KNOW I've saved more than a single life over the years. I've saved many.

    Folks like you are great about complaining, but, very short on change.

    Being an advanced athlete takes a whole different mindset, which, it seems, escapes you, so you attack it. Oh, well, you don't phase me.

    You are correct I make a big distinction from those who live a certain lifestyle, and those who don't. That's as it should be and is implicit in the name "Real Jock."

    There must definitely are those who do, and those who watch, and whine, and stir the pot. I understand, some folks are ignorant, and let it go at that. I understand you are of the latter.
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    May 26, 2009 5:37 AM GMT
    My condolences icon_cry.gif



    I never knew my mom, she died when I was 3 and my brother was 9 from an arterial occlusion and subsequent stroke, which I learned was due to lifestyle factors (weight/smoking/birth control medication) after being told by numerous doctors to stop for over a decade. Her doctor said she would almost certainly be alive today if she had stopped.

    I will say point blank that if that selfish woman truly cared about her kids she would have made more than a passing effort to stop.

    My farther is in denial almost to the point I doubt she existed sometimes growing up. I saved their wedding album from the trash can 2 years ago and we had one of the most vicious arguments I can recall. 4 years later he got remarried.... to a sales rep and now executive of the worlds 2nd largest tobacco company

    So the lesson is.....chuck is wrong

    There is a positive outcome to smoking/being a fat-ass, for at least some people. For the last 15 years your mom and her friends probably contributed to my Nike trainers, Diesel jeans, Ipod, Vaio laptop, playstation3 and PSP, and a brand new 100 people died to pay for this company car for my family every 3 years.

    At times i feel like the worlds biggest hypocrite

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    May 26, 2009 5:47 AM GMT
    I reckon....in some fashion or another. Bless those tobacco reps, huh. "It's a living."
  • SwimNP

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    May 26, 2009 5:52 AM GMT
    I am sorry for your loss chucky icon_sad.gif
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    May 26, 2009 5:53 AM GMT
    I am sorry for your loss Chucky, my grandfather died from lungcancer not too long ago, I remember as a child I would hide, and or throw away his packs of cigs, even provide him with literature on the dangers of smoking, he would smoke in the house with us kids around and he even fell asleep with a cig lit...burnt the couch, and luckily I woke him up, or he would have burnt down the house with all of us in it....he never quit until it was too late(stubborn ex military man). He developed spots on his lungs......anyways I watched him take his last breaths....I saw him drown in his own fluids, I will never get that image out of my head...icon_cry.gif
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    May 26, 2009 6:02 AM GMT
    My condolences to you and your family Chucky.

    I lost my grandfather and an uncle to emphysema/COPD. I have an aunt and another uncle that are currently dying of it.

    It's insane. I watch them still take off their oxygen and light up whenever I visit. I once asked my uncle if he needed me to grab his 10 gauge so he could make it easier on everyone. He just laughed.

    They understand, but some fucked up part of them doesn't give shit. Even with their brothers, sisters, cousins, nieces, nephews, sons and daughters repeatedly begging them to stop over the years, they still don't care.
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    May 26, 2009 6:11 AM GMT
    chuckystud said
    InsatiableBloom saidNo matter what you post, it seems like you are always trying to instigate some sort of negative energy. Im very sorry about your mom and I agree smoking and obesity are problems. But why do you wish to divide "Real Jocks" from "fake jocks" on this website in your opening sentence?


    You can answer your own question.

    There are those folks, such as yourself, who have no clue as to focus, hard work discipline, patience, and focus. E.g...not eating junk food is easy if you're strong willed. Same thing with being in shape. You'd rather whine about your failures and never change anything and whine about others than step up and take responsibility for your own stuff.

    You're a whiner.

    If I provoke a NEGATIVE thought about smoking, or being a fat ass, and save even SINGLE life, I've done a VERY GOOD THING, no matter what you might think. You'd be the problem than the solution, and, for that, I have no respect.

    I KNOW I've saved more than a single life over the years. I've saved many.

    Folks like you are great about complaining, but, very short on change.

    Being an advanced athlete takes a whole different mindset, which, it seems, escapes you, so you attack it. Oh, well, you don't phase me.

    You are correct I make a big distinction from those who live a certain lifestyle, and those who don't. That's as it should be and is implicit in the name "Real Jock."

    There must definitely are those who do, and those who watch, and whine, and stir the pot. I understand, some folks are ignorant, and let it go at that. I understand you are of the latter.


    Chucky..
    Aside from what this website provides about me, you know NOTHING about me. You state that im not a hardworker, but you have no idea what I do or don't do in the gym. Im very strict about what I eat, but every once in a while I slip up. And when I do I definitely feel bad about it. Im not perfect.

    Anyway, like I said I agree with you that smoking and obesity are problems but going about attacking people on this site and elsewhere doesnt help anyone. It just puts others down and feeds your ego.


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    May 26, 2009 6:22 AM GMT
    I didn't start smoking until I was 27 and I just quit for the 4th (and I hope the final time) back in January of this year. I can tell you it is a struggle sometimes. At other times, it doesn't even cross my mind. What I think most don't understand is how powerful the nicotine addiction is. The first 3 times I quit, I was taken to the hospital with bleeding lungs. At first, the docs thought I was a coke addict and later told me that nicotine reacts differently with each individual. For me, though I haven't been smoking that long, my addiction level at the time was on the level of a crack addict. I was shocked. So, after the 3rd time, I knew I would not be able to quit without assistance. My mother never quit, but she passed away due to brain cancer. My grandfather was told not to quit because at his age at the time, it helped with the pain of his stomach cancer. My grandmother did quit. She suffered two small heartaches the same day and that evening, she threw here cigs out and never smoked again.

    I am using the patches and they work really well for me, though they don't for others as with all types of smoking cessation programs. While so much focus is placed on the non smoking population, I also believe that stop smoking programs should be made available to those who otherwise could not otherwise quit. Only about 2% of the smoking population can quit and stopped after quitting via cold turkey.
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    May 26, 2009 9:38 AM GMT
    My condolences to you and your family. Your mother's suffering is over. Individuals with advanced COPD can suffer from air hunger which is physically unpleasant and terrifying.
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    May 26, 2009 11:30 AM GMT
    Im sorry to hear about your mother. If im on here in another 5 to 10 years ill probably be posting this same topic about my own mother. Its sad but shes chosen her path and ive chosen mine.
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    May 26, 2009 6:10 PM GMT
    This past May 1'st, my friend Dave, of Phoenix, a pilot who retired at 42, died at the young age of 59, from COPD. Like obesity, it's 100% preventable.
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    May 26, 2009 6:27 PM GMT
    Chucky,

    You have my condolences and I feel your pain as well. My mother smoked for almost 20 years. She quit ( about 20 year ago) but it was too late. She has COPD and a myriad of lung related problems. Her doctor's want her to have a lung transplant but she is resistant to it because she is scared. So I am struggling with talking her into that as well. She is on a full time oxygen tank now and her tank is has a time limit of 4 hours. That means trips have to be limited to under that time (including travel time). The problems just keep multiplying and they demand more of my and my sister attentions. I am more than happy to support and help her out but I have to admit the stress it causes me is tremendous. She has always been there for me and my sisters and I love her deeply.

    I get why Chucky is being so strong in his comments. When you make these life decisions you are not just affecting your own life, you affect many people around you.

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    May 26, 2009 6:32 PM GMT
    jpopenb said

    I get why Chucky is being so strong in his comments. When you make these life decisions you are not just affecting your own life, you affect many people around you.



    Attacking others still isnt the way to go about changing peoples perception on a healthy lifestyle. Dividing "real jocks" from "fake jocks" on this site has nothing to do promoting a healthy lifestyle..
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    May 26, 2009 6:43 PM GMT
    I did not say that I supported using negative words to slam people. I dont agree with words that demean, hurt, and insult others. I DO understand in this instance where he(Chucky) is coming from. He has a very personal issue that is causing these strong comments. AND... they do affect people around you. They are obviously affecting Chucky and they sure are affecting me. I have a constant daily issue with my mother and her needs. It's debilitating, tiring, and yes its annoying( along with the fact that it is a huge amount of guilt for feeling that way). I would never saying anything rude or mean to my mother(or anyone else about their habits ) but do I feel anger... yes.

    Understanding why someone feels they way they do versus showing support for the negative comments are two different things.



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    May 26, 2009 6:50 PM GMT
    InsatiableBloom said
    jpopenb said

    I get why Chucky is being so strong in his comments. When you make these life decisions you are not just affecting your own life, you affect many people around you.



    Attacking others still isnt the way to go about changing peoples perception on a healthy lifestyle. Dividing "real jocks" from "fake jocks" on this site has nothing to do promoting a healthy lifestyle..


    and in terms of 'real jocks' versus 'fake jocks" no comment there. My comments were not directed toward what a 'jock' is but instead towards the smoking issue.

    I am probably classified under the 'fake jock' category by many people here because my athletic activities are limited to my gym time and bike riding....
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    Jun 10, 2013 4:32 PM GMT
    I do not smoke (never have). I'm not overweight; although, I'd like to shed 10 lbs.

    My sister died at the ripe old age of 46 from cancer (she smoked from her teens).

    My mother and father have smoked from their teen and are now in their 70's and their health is failing rapidly. They both watched their fathers die of lung cancer, as well as their daughter. They continued to smoke even after my father contracted cancer (colo/rectal).

    My sister-in-law is morbidly obese and smokes and is headed for an early grave.

    They have made their life choices and I've made mine. They will probably die before me and all the preaching and name calling in the world will do no good. Nicotine is highly addictive and very difficult for people to overcome. Shaming and name calling are counterproductive.

    I understand your frustration but your mother's life was her's to live just as yours is for you and mine is for me. No adult likes to be told what to do even if it is ultimately good for them; more so after they have tried over and over again to quit and failed. Constantly reminding them of their failure is counterproductive.

    The best bet is to never start smoking in the first place.



  • NeuralShock

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    Jun 11, 2013 12:42 AM GMT
    Please don't take this as I don't give condolences, I absolutely do.


    But I'm going to be blunt. The damage alcohol causes far outweighs the overstigmatized damages of smoking.
    -Rapes and victimization
    -Car accidents
    -Escalation of violence
    -A plethora of neurological, hepatic and other problems
    -And much, much more emotional chaos.


    I find it to becoming quickly a pet peeve when I see a thread on how negative smoking is when alcohol is so widely accepted. Not that I myself smoke, but I've yet to see a cigarette present me with a patient who I need to tell will never walk again after flipping a quad.
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    Sep 24, 2013 11:13 AM GMT
    My condolences.

    I don't smoke and I never will. The thing is ... alcohol. Smokers are more likely to drink a lot too. It depends on the person as well. I have asthma and I suffer from migraines so I don't understand why people would smoke.

    People say, look at alcohol. Look at junk food. Well I don't drink alcohol. I don't drink coffee. I rarely eat junk food. But they deflect the issue. Smoking is still a major health issue and many ex-smokers I know are glad they stopped smoking. They wished they never started.

    If we continue to turn a blind eye to these health problems it is our own fault. We continue to educate people but teenagers and young adults start smoking anyway. It is also down to marketing, being in the company of other smokers and sometimes peer pressure.

    We still need to educate others and promote healthy living. Promote healthy living and everything else will follow.

    But if electronic cigarettes are less harmful than traditional tobacco I would advise using this as an alternative.
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    Sep 24, 2013 2:09 PM GMT
    I'm often surprised how many gay men still smoke. I thought we were too much into keeping our bodies healthy and attractive to do that. You all know about "smoker's face" and ashtray kisses, right?

    And it's not strictly the cancer risk, either. My husband's first partner of 15 years (they split) was a heavy smoker. And though he stopped years ago it was too late, and he still developed emphysema. He's spending the rest of his life dragging an oxygen tank behind him, tubes up his nose, and it's likely what will eventually kill him prematurely, years taken off his life.

    None of our close friends smokes, not one. I feel depressed when I see someone smoking, and especially a young person, for the harm they're doing themselves. And what really puzzles my cheap soul is that they're paying good money to do it!

    As for the comparison with alcohol, one mistake does not excuse another. Excessive drinking is likewise self-destructive, we also all know that. But in the case of alcohol there is some evidence that moderate drinking can have health benefits, whereas that can't be claimed at all for smoking.