Prop 8 from outside of the forest.

  • barriehomeboy

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    May 27, 2009 1:18 AM GMT
    There are 6+ billion people on the planet (rebreathing our shared very thin atmosphere, but that's another rant) and only 300 million of them live in the USA. The rest of us do NOT live in the USA, and turning on CNN is like watching animals at the zoo.

    Your mighty money might give your country power at the political level, but money is manmade.

    It has no value in the animal world where a lion can kill a zebra on the savanna to feed it's young, or a starving human clan can mount a surprise raid at dawn on the neighboring village in the Amazon basin, or when Rebuplicans rip the throat out of human rights in the USA.

    It's really not a surprise, to the rest of the world, that the ultimate judges of a country whose constitution was written at a time when the ruling white str8 men concluded that the black minority could be owned as slaves would also rule that any other minority's rights could be determined by the needs or morals of the ruling white str8 men.

    In Canada, among the populace, gay marriage was a joke in dinner-party conversations prior to it being ruled legal under our constitution. (Move here. I'll tell you about the legal pot later.)

    Today, gay marriage is accepted in Canada. Even the most religious people in Canada are looking at the anti-gay marriage movement, and court rulings, in the USA and thinking: "What the fuck?"

    Christ walked among the lepers. Christ or Rush Limbah. Who are you gonna call?





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    May 27, 2009 6:53 AM GMT
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    May 27, 2009 10:14 AM GMT
    jprichva saidSo what's your point? That the USA is a nation that includes a great many drooling idiots?




    Ok get out the long spears and daggers - it seems to me the OP is proof positive that drooling idiots are not restricted by national boundary - or any other criteria either come to that. icon_sad.gif
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    May 27, 2009 12:27 PM GMT
    We have a ton of idiots in this nation, we're behind on a handful of social issues, and yes, Canada has beaten us to the punch on a number of things. We admit all this. What's your point?
  • wave173

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    May 27, 2009 12:30 PM GMT
    A zoo? Maybe you should look into the animal kingdom a little better. Animals fight for survival and food compared to humans that kill for mere stupidity. Humans in all countries are just as bad as in the USA.

    The California supreme court made the right decision upholding the rights of Californians. California voted against Prop 8 and it would be wrong for the supreme court to overturn that result. This result showed that the 3 legislative branches can still work independently from one another, which was the original design to keep a measure of checks and balances.
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    May 27, 2009 1:08 PM GMT
    Also from outside the forest: the palava in the US about gay marriage keeps the topic in our news here in Australia. People are discussing it. People are getting used to the idea.

    The revolting people who created Prop 8 have had a major role in giving Australian gay couples equal rights to their straight counterparts by making such a fuss and a clear attack on human rights that most people didn't even know that they were missing. Those same revolting people will end up giving us gay marriage over here. I think thanks are in order.
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    May 27, 2009 1:36 PM GMT
    barriehomeboy saidThere are 6+ billion people on the planet (rebreathing our shared very thin atmosphere, but that's another rant) and only 300 million of them live in the USA.


    Congratulations for stating something known by just about everyone.

    barriehomeboy saidThe rest of us do NOT live in the USA, and turning on CNN is like watching animals at the zoo.


    I'm not sure where you come from (I'm assuming Canada), but most people outside the USA don't watch CNN because they don't have it. Except Canadians who want to be American. icon_cool.gif

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    Your mighty money might give your country power at the political level, but money is manmade.


    I'm not American, so 'your' doesn't apply here. I guess you are speaking to Americans. Thanks also for telling us money is manmade. So is time, iTunes, and polyester - is there a point here, cos I'm missing it...

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    It has no value in the animal world where a lion can kill a zebra on the savanna to feed it's young, or a starving human clan....


    You lost me here, so I had to skip to the end icon_smile.gif

    barriehomeboy saidToday, gay marriage is accepted in Canada.


    And for that, Canada should truly be congratulated.

    barriehomeboy saidEven the most religious people in Canada are looking at the anti-gay marriage movement, and court rulings, in the USA and thinking: "What the fuck?"


    Disagree slightly here because strong religious people hold themselves to their convictions and, in Christianity's case, God's Word. Aside from the fact that they probably don't swear all that much, I do think religious nuts exist everywhere (even...*gasp*...Canada!) and you have some opposition still. You always will. Heck, some folks in UK, France, USA, etc still can't grasp black people being equal.


    barriehomeboy saidChrist walked among the lepers. Christ or Rush Limbah. Who are you gonna call?


    Why only two choices? Does Christ have a cell phone? I'm confused. icon_confused.gif
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    May 27, 2009 1:40 PM GMT
    Ghostbusters.
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    That's interesting allegory, barriehomeboy, if that's what you're doing, but it's wrong to insult our American Cousins, eh?

    We have our share of wackos, and some of the evangelical friends we have were completely against gay marriage, but the BIG difference is that Canada does not vote on a human right publicly, though it was attempted by the religious nut-bars up here to force that to happen.

    The US doesn't have a 'Charter of Rights and Freedoms.'

    All of those judges except one were Republican; they completely forgot about the fact that gay people do not live in a vaccuum, that they come from families (some huge and influential), have friends, co-workers, bosses, patients (those that are in any kind of health care), and the list goes on.

    They have alienated all of those people, and made many others realize that their own rights could be swept away in a tide of popular voting.

    This type of voting reminds Bill and I of that survivor show where people keep getting voted off the island. heheh

    What's next, a public vote on mandatory euthanasia for anyone over 60? Just think of all the money saved on healthcare!
    How about the same for anyone over a certain weight? Drug addicts?


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    May 27, 2009 2:11 PM GMT
    meninlove said the BIG difference is that Canada does not vote on a human right publicly, though it was attempted by the religious nut-bars up here to force that to happen.


    What's next, a public vote on mandatory euthanasia for anyone over 60? Just think of all the money saved on healthcare!
    How about the same for anyone over a certain weight? Drug addicts?


    Yup: basic human rights - and constitutional rights - are not up to the majority to decide. They are for ALL.
  • calibro

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    May 27, 2009 2:42 PM GMT
    Shenanigans! <object width=">
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    May 29, 2009 9:38 AM GMT
    Barrie-

    If you do not like our inner conflicts, then just avoid them. No one forces you to read about them and no on forces you to respond to them. There are 1,000 topics on here. Why did you pick that one to insult Americans? What made you put finger to keyboard to respond so harshly? And so obviously harshly?

    It is obvious that you have a deep hatred for Americans. You dissed our founders pretty well. What causes that in you that you felt such a need to respond in the way you did?

    You are a proud Canadian. Rightly so. I am a proud American. Rightly so. We are a country that fought a civil war over slavery. Many died. We did not start slavery, we inhereted that as a part of the British Common Wealth. I wish we had not. But we did. Eventually, we wrote a Constitution that not only freed slaves, it gave rights to women, the poor, and now hopefully Gays.

    But, we also worked with Canadians in WW1 and WW2 to prevent the Fascism that took over Europe from taking over Britian, Canada and the US. We have been allies in making the world a better place. Canada gives tons to charity. So does the US. Together, the US and Canada have worked hard to make the world a safer place. We fought side by side in Bosnia. Together, Canada and the US and Great Britian freed France from Totalitarianism.

    We may have our differences. You and your dinner partners may laugh at the US and what we do. But, without us as your partners, where would you be? Where would we be? I think, together, we make the world a safer place. A better place. If that makes you and your dinner partners laugh, so be it.

    I would hate to think who would be running this world if the US was not around. I would hate to think who would be running this world if Canada was not around. Together, as partners and brothers, we have done some pretty good things.

    Our founders may have been slave owners, but together they wrote the single most important document bringing freedom to everyone.
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    May 29, 2009 10:25 AM GMT
    Plus, you are Canadian, for God's sake. The guys that live in the apartment over the great party house......