From GHS1964- To be honest, when the people here in the midwest think of gays, they picture the examples of california gays that make the national news. Our Pride here in KC, during the day is very normal. I've even taken my daughter (who was 10 at the time), When I went to San Fran Pride, there is no way in HELL would I take her to it.

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    May 29, 2009 7:52 PM GMT
    OK, so do not come to CA gay Prides. We do not put down KC Prides.
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    May 29, 2009 8:02 PM GMT
    hey dude he might have a point. Many people from my generation think pride is a joke.
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    May 29, 2009 8:03 PM GMT
    Why is there no straight pride?
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    BJJMMAFighter saidhey dude he might have a point. Many people from my generation think pride is a joke.


    Probably because they don't have any?
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    May 29, 2009 8:05 PM GMT
    Maybe the problem is that KC Pride is "too" normal, and it looks more than a picnic with dogs (hundreds of), lesbians' muffin tops and overweight people in tacky clothes seated on folding chairs and drinking beer. FUN!
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    mateo76 saidWhy is there no straight pride?


    There is, and it's slapped all over your face where ever you go. BTW, it's not a 9" slap in the face either.
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    May 29, 2009 8:07 PM GMT
    Michael_Mccarry said
    BJJMMAFighter saidhey dude he might have a point. Many people from my generation think pride is a joke.


    Probably because they don't have any?



    that is for fucking sure! Gay pride is such a bait and switch. Its like yeah come on have fun, party, we will accept you.... But in reality when the hard times come like, dealing with coming out, issues of accepting suxuality, or any other real problems those guys are long gone and you realize that they wouldn't have any real input that could help and half of them just wanted to get into your pants. Of course we have no pride.
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    May 29, 2009 8:08 PM GMT
    There are so many pride festivals in California, large and small, some more wild or tame than others.

    Some of the pride events are the largest events held in California.

    There are pleanty of events where it would be fine to take children and there are a few that I would not take children. But the same thing can be siad for straight events. Esh...the last time I went to WeHo for Halloween, there were more straight people than gay people there. (I have not been in years though.)

    These events are what you make of them. It is you who chooses what you do and what you don't do at the events. When I used to go, I would go to spend time with friends.

    Pride was never about being a place to get counseling. We have other organizations for that, for example, the gay and lesbain centers.

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    May 29, 2009 8:11 PM GMT
    mateo76 said, "Why is there no straight pride?"


    There is! It's called college.
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    BJJMMAFighter said
    Michael_Mccarry said
    BJJMMAFighter saidhey dude he might have a point. Many people from my generation think pride is a joke.


    Probably because they don't have any?



    that is for fucking sure! Gay pride is such a bait and switch. Its like yeah come on have fun, party, we will accept you.... But in reality when the hard times come like, dealing with coming out, issues of accepting suxuality, or any other real problems those guys are long gone and you realize that they wouldn't have any real input that could help and half of them just wanted to get into your pants. Of course we have no pride.


    Agree.
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    Michael_Mccarry said
    BJJMMAFighter saidhey dude he might have a point. Many people from my generation think pride is a joke.


    Probably because they don't have any?


    also because many of has haven't ever seen anything good come out of being gay.... why have pride for it?
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    May 29, 2009 8:16 PM GMT
    ive only been to one pride and it was when i was in minneapolis. it was very tame, a much older crowd and families, no public sex or even much eye candy. just like how the country is so diverse on a larger scale, our gay communities reflect that diversity, too. different kinds of people migrate to different parts of the country and are raised differently. people seem to have gotten too sensitive over this.
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    BJJMMAFighter said
    Michael_Mccarry said
    BJJMMAFighter saidhey dude he might have a point. Many people from my generation think pride is a joke.


    Probably because they don't have any?



    that is for fucking sure! Gay pride is such a bait and switch. Its like yeah come on have fun, party, we will accept you.... But in reality when the hard times come like, dealing with coming out, issues of accepting suxuality, or any other real problems those guys are long gone and you realize that they wouldn't have any real input that could help and half of them just wanted to get into your pants. Of course we have no pride.


    What?

    The same people who organize the Pride parades are the same people that run the pride centers run the safe sex education and give out tons of condoms and STI screenings. They have groups just for people struggling with their sexuality, or for people trying to come out, and youth groups.

    I have been to pride at half a dozen cities and there are always people handing out information on these support groups and services. Just because the piece of ass they chased doesn't help them deal with their emotional shit doesn't mean the community at large is devoid of such empathy.
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    May 29, 2009 8:20 PM GMT
    BJJMMAFighter said
    Michael_Mccarry said
    BJJMMAFighter saidhey dude he might have a point. Many people from my generation think pride is a joke.


    Probably because they don't have any?


    also because many of has haven't ever seen anything good come out of being gay.... why have pride for it?


    That is a sad statement. Looks like you have a lot of your own issues that you are dealing with.

    Personally, I do see value in being gay. Growing up in a very conservative protective environment, being gay helped me to see life from a different perspective that I would not otherwise have. I have been to places and experienced things that I would not have done if I was striaight. It helped me to question the assumptions that society makes. It has also helped to make me realize how important it is to stand up for what is right, whatever the issue may be. And I know that a lot of my striaight and gay friends have learned from me as well.
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    May 29, 2009 8:21 PM GMT
    i dont see why this has to spiral into a generational debate. young people are coming out much earlier and in communities more accepting. i think living as an out gay person without being ashamed of it shows you have pride. though its understandable that people find strength in being around others like them and pride events are very useful and good for communities and a sense of belonging. its just maybe a bit less essential to younger people as it may have been fifteen years ago.
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    Michael_Mccarry said
    BJJMMAFighter saidhey dude he might have a point. Many people from my generation think pride is a joke.


    Probably because they don't have any?


    also because many of has haven't ever seen anything good come out of being gay.... why have pride for it?


    Well, if you are one of those gays who feel that nothing good has come out of being gay, then you should really lose your friends and/or family members telling you that. If you still feel that way, maybe do a little history check and possibly think about getting a good therapist.

    I for one, am damn proud to be gay. Unfortunately, it took me almost 30 years to feel this way. I'm not one to go around to all the Pride events, but I've done my share of participating in the past. Now days I get my pride injection every time I'm introduced to someone new or an old friend finds out for the first time that I am gay and they react surprised and say "You're gay? come on?! You're not gay! Really!? That's cool". I then walk away, head held high, my Pride juices flowing, knowing that I had changed someones stereotypical view of what a gay looks/acts like. Pride can come in many different ways.
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    May 29, 2009 8:29 PM GMT
    mateo76 saidWhy is there no straight pride?


    There is, everyday. I see them most often in spring and summer - weddings and wedding processions.
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    BJJMMAFighter said
    Michael_Mccarry said
    BJJMMAFighter saidhey dude he might have a point. Many people from my generation think pride is a joke.


    Probably because they don't have any?


    also because many of has haven't ever seen anything good come out of being gay.... why have pride for it?


    That is a sad statement. Looks like you have a lot of your own issues that you are dealing with.

    Personally, I do see value in being gay. Growing up in a very conservative protective environment, being gay helped me to see life from a different perspective that I would not otherwise have. I have been to places and experienced things that I would not have done if I was striaight. It helped me to question the assumptions that society makes. It has also helped to make me realize how important it is to stand up for what is right, whatever the issue may be. And I know that a lot of my striaight and gay friends have learned from me as well.


    If you derive your value and self-worth solely from your sexual orientation then maybe you should see a shrink. No disrespect intended.
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    May 29, 2009 8:32 PM GMT
    San Francisco Pride is a contradiction in terms--many seem repulsed by it, both from Gay and Straight camps.

    But remember, San Francisco is the so-called "epicenter" of the gay cultural movement and tends to present itself in a non-traditional way. Hence...Extravaganza. That's exactly what it is. Spectacle.

    Know it, appreciate it, criticize it, do what you will...

    But when you characterize another pride as "normal" you are opening the flood gates of interpretation and subjectivist discourse.

    Blah blah blah blah...
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    also because many of has haven't ever seen anything good come out of being gay.... why have pride for it?


    Then go be straight or better yet g0y. Seriously, if you hate all things gay so much, why are you even here? Are you so conflicted, afraid and insecure you can't can't reconcile your feelings and experience as a gay man with out demonizing the lives and experience of others? Do you hate yourself so much that you have to compartmentalize, judge and label every little thing about yourself and everyone else about you? My God, be an authentic human being, or to use your jargon, A Man, and quit judging yourself and others against some archaic patriarchal gender normative ideal that is completely unattainable to begin with. A real man stands sure of who he is and doesn't feel the need to win approval from some sort of machismo elite ideologues by putting down everything that doesn't necessarily reflect who he thinks he ought to be.

    In other words, Grow Up.
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    GuerrillaSodomite saidThen go be straight or better yet g0y. Seriously, if you hate all things gay so much, why are you even here? Are you so conflicted, afraid and insecure you can't can't reconcile your feelings and experience as a gay man with out demonizing the lives and experience of others? Do you hate yourself so much that you have to compartmentalize, judge and label every little thing about yourself and everyone else about you? My God, be an authentic human being, or to use your jargon, A Man, and quit judging yourself and others against some archaic patriarchal gender normative ideal that is completely unattainable to begin with. A real man stands sure of who he is and doesn't feel the need to win approval from some sort of machismo elite ideologues by putting down everything that doesn't necessarily reflect who he thinks he ought to be.

    Robby, that actually made me cum.


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    May 29, 2009 8:44 PM GMT
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    May 29, 2009 8:47 PM GMT
    The day Gay Pride becomes "NORMAL" will be the day that I could no longer call myself a GAY MAN.

    COME ON! I love gay pride and I have seen Gay parents and Gay-Friendly Str8 bring there kids during the events during the DAY!
    The after dark partying well lets face it what it is.

    I get so frustrated when we slam events like Gay Pride. If you don't like it then Don't attend, don't bash and say it's not normal. Because it is.