2,200 acres needed for Flight 93 memorial?!?!?! ... Damn!

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    May 30, 2009 5:41 AM GMT
    "The amount of land needed for the memorial is just over 2,200 acres, about 1,400 of which is near the crash site, where there will be a visitor center. The other 800 acres would create a buffer around the site to protect the rural setting."

    so the gov't is just gonna seize the people land ... icon_eek.gif

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/05/29/flight.dispute/index.html
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    May 31, 2009 10:21 PM GMT
    C'mon, they NEED that land. Uncle Sam has a bug up his butt to install something sterile and contrived at the cost of millions of $.

  • calibro

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    May 31, 2009 10:27 PM GMT
    Cause forcing people to abandon their homes 100s of acres away from the site is what a 9/11 memorial is all about icon_rolleyes.gif
  • GQjock

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    Jun 01, 2009 2:50 PM GMT
    YeSSiree Bob .... Land of the Free and Home of the Brave

    Well, uh ... maybe not the land icon_confused.gif
    and um, only if your home wasn't anywhere near a place where an airplane crashed
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    Jun 01, 2009 3:00 PM GMT
    that's america for you. hmmmmmmmmm i wonder what they are going to do for the memorial at the pentagon...

  • spero123

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    Jun 01, 2009 3:15 PM GMT
    I hope they get it...
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    Jun 01, 2009 3:52 PM GMT
    Blackguy4you saidthat's america for you. hmmmmmmmmm i wonder what they are going to do for the memorial at the pentagon...

    This is the memorial at the Pentagon. Those are benches. One for each victim. Each bench has the name of a victim attached and under each bench is a little pool of water. You can just see the corner of one of the pools under the bench in the center front.

    It is intended that you can sit there and reflect. Good god almighty! . icon_eek.gif. This place will be useful for 2 weeks in the Spring and 2 weeks in the Fall. It is too cold in the Winter and hell on earth in the Summer...it is too hot, humid, and infested with mosquitoes to go outside in the Summer in Virginia.

    PentagonMemorial2.jpg

    You can make out in this pic the color difference in the Pentagon due to the repair work. The right side the new exterior and the left is the original.
  • Timbales

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    Jun 01, 2009 3:57 PM GMT
    too cold, in Virginia, in the winter? lol
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    Jun 01, 2009 3:58 PM GMT
    Caslon11000 said
    Blackguy4you saidthat's america for you. hmmmmmmmmm i wonder what they are going to do for the memorial at the pentagon...

    This is the memorial at the Pentagon. Those are benches. One for each victim. Each bench has the name of a victim attached and under each bench is a little pool of water. You can just see the corner of one of the pools under the bench in the center front.

    It is intended that you can sit there and reflect. Good god almighty! . icon_eek.gif. This place will be useful for 2 weeks in the Spring and 2 weeks in the Fall. It is too cold in the Winter and hell on earth in the Summer...it is too hot, humid, and infested with mosquitoes to go outside in the Summer in Virginia.

    PentagonMemorial2.jpg

    You can make out in this pic the color difference in the Pentagon due to the repair work. The right side the new exterior and the left is the original.


    Ah didn't realize they did that. I would have preferred another bank holiday myself
  • Anto

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    Jun 03, 2009 3:25 AM GMT
    It's sad what happened but I think the victims of the 9/11 need to get over themselves in regard to how the memorials are being handled. They don't have to be gargantuan, they don't even have to reside at the places of a crash -- geeze.. I wouldn't want my memory to be used this way at all if I had died from one of the 9/11 incidences. It's important to be respectful but those people are dead, just like a lot of people. In my opinion I think it's being disrespectful to their memories.
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    Jun 03, 2009 3:56 AM GMT
    Anto saidIt's sad what happened but I think the victims of the 9/11 need to get over themselves in regard to how the memorials are being handled. They don't have to be gargantuan, they don't even have to reside at the places of a crash -- geeze.. I wouldn't want my memory to be used this way at all if I had died from one of the 9/11 incidences. It's important to be respectful but those people are dead, just like a lot of people. In my opinion I think it's being disrespectful to their memories.

    It seems to me a few acres at the crash site would be appropriate and put the memorial building in the nearby town.
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    Jun 05, 2009 6:43 PM GMT
    U.S. Gov't Backs Off Plan To Seize Flight 93 Memorial Land

    "Interior Secretary Ken Salazar says the U.S. government will not use eminent domain to seize people's land for a permanent Flight 93 memorial and instead will renew negotiations with landowners near the terrorist crash site in Somerset County." ...

    "The announcement, though, doesn't take eminent domain completely off the table. The government said it still has the option to use it, but will do so only as a last resort.

    Christine Williams, who along with her husband owns about 6 acres at the site, said that she believes the announcement will help the process move faster -- but that it doesn't make giving up the land any easier.

    "This was to be a property that we retired to," a tearful Williams said. "We didn't want to leave, and we still don't want to leave." "


    So what's the situation?...the gov't wont take the property unless they decide again to take the property....It still stinks to me. ... icon_evil.gif

    http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/cnn-news/19665762/detail.html

    my letter to my congressman and two senators..

    Dear Congressman Moran,

    I am hearing in the news that the fed. gov't is considering seizing the land of the people on whose property Flight 93 crashed to place a memorial to those who died. 2200 ACRES of land!

    Whereas I honor those who died in that crash as American heroes, I am left feeling uneasy about forcing the landowners to give up their land....even if paid for....for this memorial. It will taint the memorial.

    And so much land! Does this memorial really require 2200 acres of land? Wont a few acres at the site be enough? And then put the memorial building in the closest town.

    Sincerely,

    Caslon

  • Anto

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    Jun 05, 2009 6:58 PM GMT
    Yeah that is complete BS..

    I'm sorry people lost loved ones but they should not be building a memorial by taking property away from other people for it. That is so completely selfish and wrong and the government is abusing it's power.

    "Parks service officials have said they had to take the land because negotiations with landowners haven't been successful, but landowners said those negotiations never took place."

    What are they? The land-Taliban?

    What is the point of negotiations if ultimately the government is going to take the land anyway by force if necessary?
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    Jun 05, 2009 7:28 PM GMT
    I agree, using eminent domain for this purpose is stepping over the line. The government has handled the 9/11 memorials terribly. I think it's shameful that politicians are using this tragedy and the building of memorials for political posturing. Look at the WTC memorial and the freedom tower and what a disaster that has turned out to be. Look at how many years there has just been a hole in the ground while politicians argue over designs and politically driven bidding. I mean come on, the Burj Dubai, the tallest manmade structure in the world, is now or will soon be occupied. That building was started in 2004 and is nearly complete, while the much shorter freedom tower is just breaking ground level. I don't know about everyone else, but to me that huge eight year hole in the ground and in the skyline of New York is the biggest slap in the face to all those who died. It's basically saying that the terrorists won the day, that Americans don't have the resolve anymore to come together and rebuild, that bickering and political maneuvering are more important than rebuilding bigger and better. The government needs to stay out of the memorials. They can donate a little previously owned land and some money, but let a foundation headed by victims' families and friends decide on a beautiful and MEANINGFUL memorial (maybe one that DOESN'T revolve around cliched "reflection").