do you think you where born gay or it's chosen.

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    May 30, 2009 9:18 PM GMT
    there was a debate going on in one of my philosophy and ethical theory lessons and some1 come out and said that people choose to be gay, and i was no i dont think so! but i didnt object to much as i haven't come out yet but what do you think?
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    May 30, 2009 9:29 PM GMT
    I actually feel that I was born with all=or same sex attraction.

    I think something happened to me in the womb and or in the birth canal. I don't look at it as a genetic defect or even a birth defect. I see it as a biological phenomenon and we are the "real one's" who know more about life and how it goes than anyone on the planet. A modern day mutant? A brain damaged and ultra creative type? OR someone who has power's that most do not? You tell me your story. I KNOW MINE!!



    Otherwise, I would never choose this way. I would choose to be stupid like the rest of the world. But I am sorry...I am not!!
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    May 31, 2009 1:01 AM GMT
    TRT3 saidthere was a debate going on in one of my philosophy and ethical theory lessons and some1 come out and said that people choose to be gay, and i was no i dont think so! but i didnt object to much as i haven't come out yet but what do you think?


    Why didn't you ask them at which age they chose to be str8?

    And you could also follow up with whether or not it was after they had experimented with same sex couplings?



  • SFNavigator

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    May 31, 2009 1:01 AM GMT
    Born gay here and love it!
  • scothman

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    May 31, 2009 1:06 AM GMT
    Well it is most definitely not a choice. I could not like a woman in that way if I wanted to or not; it just is not going to happen. Now if you are asking about nature vs nurture, I couldn't tell you. I was raised the exact same way as my two brothers and I am the only gay so who knows. There are plenty of studies out there trying to prove this matter.
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    May 31, 2009 1:06 AM GMT
    I can't believe this is still even a topic, especially in the UK. Sexual orientation is no more a choice than being right or left-handed is. Anyone who says that gay is a choice is either parroting the propaganda of the religious bigots, or is living at least 30 years behind the times.
  • Timbales

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    May 31, 2009 1:11 AM GMT
    I believe it's neither.
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    May 31, 2009 1:14 AM GMT
    I don't remember making a choice....do you?
  • zakariahzol

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    May 31, 2009 1:23 AM GMT
    Why the fuck do I want to choose a lifestyle, that humilated me, make me pretending to be something I am not every fucking days, discriminated against me, denied me the right to get marry and all kind of other injustices.

    I must be a total idiots for making such stupid choices. I just can imaging how easier my life is , if I am born to be straight. No I dont chose to be gay, God chose me to be gay.
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    May 31, 2009 1:24 AM GMT
    Timberoo saidI believe it's neither.

    What, you think the Gay Fairy touches us on the head with a magic wand? icon_confused.gif

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    May 31, 2009 1:27 AM GMT
    Red_Vespa said
    Timberoo saidI believe it's neither.

    What, you think the Gay Fairy touches us on the head with a magic wand? icon_confused.gif

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    apparently...icon_rolleyes.gif
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    May 31, 2009 1:29 AM GMT
    innate.

    Girls smell funny. How did I chose that?

  • barriehomeboy

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    May 31, 2009 1:37 AM GMT
    Ask them to name the day when they chose to be straight.
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    May 31, 2009 1:39 AM GMT
    I think it's a pretty complex issue. Sexuality exists on a continuum and everyone falls some place different on that spectrum. I was debating this issue with classmates in a social work policy class and the argument was made that if people are choosing to be gay, or different from the norm, than civil rights protections, such as marriage equality and non-discrimination laws should not apply to them. I think, why does it matter why someone is LGBTQ, maybe they were born that way, maybe it was environmental, at the end of the day, every human being should be afforded the same basic human rights.

    Me personally, definitely born this way. icon_smile.gif
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    May 31, 2009 1:44 AM GMT
    The "When did you choose to be straight," question is problematic.

    The Gay Is a Lifestyle Choice people are invariably gay themselves, cheating on their wives and having sex in public toilets. That's just how the world is.

    I don't have a better solution though.
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    May 31, 2009 2:08 AM GMT
    GuysGuyATL saidI don't remember making a choice....do you?



    That's the best come back I've ever heard.

    I'm going to use that one from now on.
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    May 31, 2009 2:16 AM GMT
    The insidious trap of accepting the "choice" argument is two-fold. One, it makes it easy to criminalize homosexuality, and to make one legally liable for being gay, and worthy of punishment.

    Second, it implies it's a reversible condition. Both society and the gay individuals themselves are therefore encouraged to take bogus corrective measures, both voluntary & involuntary, that can cause unhealthy emotional trauma & distress.
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    May 31, 2009 2:18 AM GMT
    OK...here's the new question.

    You can be gay. You can have same sex attraction...so

    Now...you just can't have the actual gay sex as demanded by most conservatives and other faith based churches.

    They say gay is OK...they say you can like another...but they now say..

    .NO SEX unless your married and to a woman.

    I don't get this part of life. I am a guy, with everything in good working order. I am attracted to another guy. We like each other and now...it stops cold because of some moral issue and law issues??

    I am not really accepted if I am holding his hand on the street. I am laughed at if I say to someone he's my boy friend.....

    There is a guy I am seeing. He say's he is BI. I can accept that. But, he is so afraid to come out. I like him, It's nice to have a BF and not always feel lonely.....isolated and left out of society. He just want's the normal so bad (like me). It's ok, I let him express it. But, it's society, religion (he is a Christian) that's keeping a great commitment from him...(with me). I do feel cheated, burned and even mad.....At least we can have a loving and caring relationship...even if it's in the dark....but gosh, again, if it were to be uncovered......????sighicon_sad.gif
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    May 31, 2009 2:30 AM GMT
    We don't choose to have homosexual desires, but what we do choose to act on them. So it is a little of both dempending on how you look at it.
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    May 31, 2009 2:37 AM GMT


    I didn't CHOOSE to not like girls...although I'm glad I don't have to put up with their "cooties"...


    ...Did you know they bleed? And get this! It's every month! EWWW!

    **Runs away with limp wrists flailing to the sides**

    You're born gay. Until the scientific evidence is there, there will always be those who are willing to degrade others just because they are different. Wasn't there a topic we discussed about those two twin boys, how one just liked to play with dolls and the other with trucks?

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    May 31, 2009 2:40 AM GMT
    mistic_man saidOK...here's the new question...

    The dilemma you outline is only in the minds of our opponents. A well-adjusted & confident gay person experiences no such internal conflict. Any problem we have is with our enemies, and we should avoid being contaminated with their distorted morals & reasoning.
  • zakariahzol

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    May 31, 2009 3:11 AM GMT
    Red Vespa,

    That is the most intersting thing I have ever saw. I was just like that feminine twin when I was a kids. I remember my father bought me a toy car and getting very upset because I wanted a doll. I idolize female actress/singer. I even wear a toy tiara once. But the thing about me I grow up to be more and more masculine the older I become. I mean I dont plan it or anything, it just my interest start to change to be macho and manlier.

    One of my nephew was just like me. A feminine kids , get bully with girlish voice. He grow up to be in Army volunteer, tall and mascular and riding motorcycle just like me. Now he is working in an oil related industries in a masculine environment like oil rig on the open sea.

    There no guranteed that feminine kids in the clip will remain like that way when he grow up.
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    May 31, 2009 3:21 AM GMT
    I know I was born gay. I tried to "become" straight and was even married for 3.5 years and now have a 7 year old daughter.... There's no way but gay from here!
  • swogdog

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    May 31, 2009 4:18 AM GMT
    I didn't choose my crushes, nor have I ever; and, I don't know a single straight friend who chose who they fell for either.

    However, I hope to see a day when nobody cares whether it's a choice or not. If we truly believe that being homosexual is acceptable, then who cares if it is a choice?
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    May 31, 2009 4:35 AM GMT
    Scientific studies indicate that you're born gay and it's widely accepted among all major American Medical and Psychological Associations that being gay is not a choice.

    Socially I guess you can choose who you date...it's just a question of how miserable you want to be and how many prisoners you want to take.