MTV Movie Awards- Have we had enough with "gay humor" at the expense of gay people?

• silverfox
  
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  Jun 01, 2009 1:07 PM GMT

  I don't know about you, but I am getting sick and tired of this kind of crap.
  
  Before you tell me that I am humorless (like eminem is apparently), I am sick and tired of supposedly straight guys intimating in humor form that being thought of as "gay" would be the ultimate insult anyone could ever give you.
  
  Over the top stereo types, uncomfortable situations...... we are easy targets and some of this seems to fly under the radar screen...but not to me.
  
  It happens all the time, on SNL, MTV award shows like this, everywhere. The thing that gets me is that for the most part these are programs aimed at youth.
  
  Take a look and give me your thoughts.
  
  This shining moment happens at 4:00 on this utube vid, Andy Samberg's opening segment featuring Justin Timberlake:
  
  
  
  And then there is this gem....a flying Sasha Cohen lands on Eminem. I don't know what part of this pisses me off the most...it is wrong on so many levels to me.
  
  
  
  You want to talk me down? Am I over reacting? Do you find this stuff particularly funny? I do want to know your thoughts....
  
  
  
  

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  Jun 01, 2009 1:22 PM GMT

  i saw it last night and it didnt even cross my mind. i dont beleive the humor is about gay people... i think its about being naked in ackward positions...

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  Jun 01, 2009 1:37 PM GMT

  Viacom has blocked the first video. On the general topic of straights imitating gays, I see parallels from earlier times when whites parodied & mocked blacks. What is good natured humor, and what is tasteless & insulting? Too many variables to establish firm rules, but generally you know it when you see it.

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  Jun 01, 2009 1:40 PM GMT

  Red_Vespa saidViacom has blocked the first video.

  
  
  Yes I expected that would happen. The other one will be taken down as well soon.
  
  I find it interesting that this kind of humor sometimes goes unnoticed by many gay men.
  
  I wonder, it it would be "acceptable" and "funny" if both of these skits involved....a man and a woman? Just curious.
  
  

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  Jun 01, 2009 1:49 PM GMT

  MTV sux in general - I say no to their tired awards show

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• Timbales
  
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  Jun 01, 2009 1:50 PM GMT

  you can see the videos at MTV.com

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  Jun 01, 2009 1:50 PM GMT

  silverfox1 said

  Red_Vespa saidViacom has blocked the first video.

  
  
  Yes I expected that would happen. The other one will be taken down as well soon.
  
  I find it interesting that this kind of humor sometimes goes unnoticed by many gay men.
  
  I wonder, it it would be "acceptable" and "funny" if both of these skits involved....a man and a woman? Just curious.
  
  

  
  
  I dunno, but how HOT are you in this pic, Silver??
  well most of 'em actually, but nice guns and tan

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  Jun 01, 2009 1:55 PM GMT

  something similar (gay/bi joking, that is):
  
  http://www.hulu.com/watch/66311/saturday-night-live-fast-and-furious
  
  
  And definitely a great avatar photo, Silverfox1!!!

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  Jun 01, 2009 4:27 PM GMT

  silverfox1 said

  Red_Vespa saidViacom has blocked the first video.

  
  
  Yes I expected that would happen. The other one will be taken down as well soon.
  
  I find it interesting that this kind of humor sometimes goes unnoticed by many gay men.
  
  I wonder, it it would be "acceptable" and "funny" if both of these skits involved....a man and a woman? Just curious.
  
  

  
  
  I didn't find the second video offensive; it was actually sort of amusing. I found it to be disgusting in the sense that Sasha's gross ass and was in Eminem's (and the woman behind hi) face. Would have been funnier if it would have been Tom Cruise or G. Clooney.

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  Jun 01, 2009 4:29 PM GMT

  
  I think one should graduate from MTV, like the way one graduates from HighSchool and church at some point. It's for kids I mean to say, they laugh at anything without pondering the deeper meaning. Themselves, their parents, their past, present, and future, they laugh at everything! God, I hate them.
  
  
  
  

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  Jun 01, 2009 4:30 PM GMT

  I dunno. I suppose if these gags were funny I'd wager an opinion. As there is very little humor, it's easiest to just ignore it with an and go about my day.

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  Jun 01, 2009 4:31 PM GMT

  GuiltyGear said
  I think one should graduate from MTV, like the way one graduates from HighSchool and church at some point. It's for kids I mean to say, they laugh at anything without pondering the deeper meaning. Themselves, their parents, their past, present, and future, they laugh at everything! God, I hate them.
  
  
  
  

  
  
  
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• kaccioto
  
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  Jun 01, 2009 4:31 PM GMT

  was oot and aboot last night, weather was too nice so missed it all
  
  is eminem part of the act? couldn't make it out, if not then that's pretty funny..dude can't rap
  
  plus does anyone still actually think mtv is still (ever was) 'cool'?

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  Jun 01, 2009 4:39 PM GMT

  silverfox1 said

  Red_Vespa saidViacom has blocked the first video.

  
  
  Yes I expected that would happen. The other one will be taken down as well soon.
  
  I find it interesting that this kind of humor sometimes goes unnoticed by many gay men.
  
  I wonder, it it would be "acceptable" and "funny" if both of these skits involved....a man and a woman? Just curious.
  
  

  
  
  Oh Wait, My Freind! I have noticed. This stuff absolutely has an "Amos and Andy" quality to it.

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  Jun 01, 2009 5:04 PM GMT

  I thought it was all hilarious! lol
  
  I see what you mean tho. but im not really offended. one thing to consider is that even us gay men pick on the effeminate ones. all my gay friends are masculine and we are clearly guilty of mocking the effeminate - but in good humor.
  Ya its a stereo type when str8 dudes imitate a gay man and immediate assume a prissy stance. but a large percentage of the gay-community IS feminine. THere is a varying degree of truth in most stereo types. So what can we do about this? or should do? If anyone has any ideas do share!
  Don't expect the 'str8s' to change over night. at least they were laughing and not punching. lol Maybe if the gay community didn't lack so much DEPTH it would get more reSpect - but almost everything is about sex, glamour, and perfunctory ambitions. Most gay men want to be dancers, models or fashion designers just like 'most' black men want to be rappers, basketball players etc. Let there be a gay man thats gonna change history or win a Nobel Prize.
  Being of latin decent i do notice 'seemingly' offensive humorous things in the media stereo typing mexicans, but i hardly get offended. I think its because i identify more with my individuality than any 'group'. I define myself - my sexual orientation does not define me nor does my ethnicity. There is no one like myself - i am my own nation. smell me? Im not sayin' one shouldn't get offended about things like this - nor am i defending the breeders that stereo type us, but change starts with ones self; and if you want people to change? It will be a process.
  
  Well these are my thoughts anyways. I'm totally open to any new ideas however.
  
  
  

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  Jun 01, 2009 5:08 PM GMT

  I'd like to see more "gay humor" at the expense of Republicans.

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  Jun 01, 2009 5:24 PM GMT

  None of this is offensive to me in the least. Take from that what you will. It's a bit juvenile, yes. But I don't think the point of these skits was to specifically target and deprecate gays.

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  Jun 01, 2009 5:34 PM GMT

  
  Before I really get started bashing these "funny" skits.
  Are we sure they are even Gay?
  
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• misterduck
  
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  Jun 01, 2009 5:50 PM GMT

  I have to agree that it was all rather stupid if nothing else. I didn't see the Sasha Baron Cohen thing as really a slap towards the gays. Though...that character is a bit much. MTV is stupid really but at the same time it does "beam out" to younger kids who see things like this and laugh at "the gays."
  
  What bothers me are those stupid movies like Boat Trip and Chuck and Larry or whatever it was. I have only see a few mintues of both and they were offensive to me. Hell...even The Birdcage was a bit offensive to me.
  
  It's interesting though that kids today are using the term "gay" again as in "that's so gay..."
  
  I think kids today see things differently then when we were growing up in the late 70s early 80s. It's no big thing to be gay any longer really and maybe it's because of exposure like this even if it is a bit negative.
  
  Hmmmmmm....one wonders.

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  Jun 01, 2009 6:01 PM GMT

  misterduck saidI have to agree that it was all rather stupid if nothing else. I didn't see the Sasha Baron Cohen thing as really a slap towards the gays. Though...that character is a bit much. MTV is stupid really but at the same time it does "beam out" to younger kids who see things like this and laugh at "the gays."
  
  

  
  
  Duck you said it all.
  
  It's rather stupid if nothing else.
  It doesn't bother you.
  The character is a bit much.
  MTV presents to younger kids who see things like this and laugh at "the gays".
  
  
  In a nutshell, I think that this is what a lot of people think.
  
  It is, unfortunately, however that in a way that is how stereotypes, bigotry, and racism spread.
  
  It can be covert. My humble opinion.
  
  

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  Jun 01, 2009 7:51 PM GMT

  Considering what eminem's take on gays have been and even that little tiff he had with the Pet Shop Boys a few years ago I find the look on his face in the video to be pretty much priceless.
  
  http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1453441/20020416/pet_shop_boys.jhtml
  
  I do think that the younger generation of gays are a little too tolerant on the level of 'acceptable' humor that it is shown toward gays. I'll leave it at that or else I foresee a flame war happening which would not be my attempt. Well, maybe, but not in the right way.
  
  

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  Jun 01, 2009 8:16 PM GMT

  GrowingBig, thanks for the Harvey Fierstein video. I concur with his sentiment and my anger is being used in a constructive manner thanks to Squarejaw. When I think of the things that are going on around us with respect to gay marriage and such, the first word that comes to mind is complacency. I think a great many of us have gotten comfortable with the way things are and fail to see that bread crumbs are only used in dressing, not life.
  
  Silverfox, I didn't get to see the first video, but I did get to see the Sasha video. Last night in chat, people were falling all over themselves about how funny it was. For me, MTV did get the shock value they wanted, the ass of Sasha, the Look on Eminem's face and subsequent departure from the awards show. That stunt I think was more a slap at Eminem and promo for Sasha's movie, "Bruno", than anything else. But I take your point and agree that we are not at a place where we can take the attitude of "Whatever" when it comes to gay rights and that attitude, while refreshingly welcome with the younger generation, is cause for concern with those of us who are older and have seen and been a part of the fight and struggle to get to a point where they can say "Who cares". We are not there yet.
  
  Another thing, it amazes me that MTV owns Logo, but does nothing to make the cable and satellite companies put that channel lower than premium ladder.

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  Jun 01, 2009 8:24 PM GMT

  I didn't know that MTV owned Logo. That's an interesting fact to know.

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  Jun 01, 2009 9:47 PM GMT

  Jun 1 2009 5:34 PM EDT
  Readers Sound Off About Brüno/ Eminem Incident
  Fans are split between defending and slamming Eminem, being amused or disgusted by MTV Movie Awards incident.
  
  By Eric Ditzian
  http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1613057/20090601/story.jhtml
  Take a look at the article
  The video is embedded on the page too
  
  Was it funny?
  Not for me ... but that it was done to that freakin' little homophobic weasel made it well worth it
  

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  Jun 01, 2009 10:05 PM GMT

  Opening clip available here:
  
  http://www.mtv.com/videos/misc/395471/2009-mtv-movie-awards-the-opener.jhtml

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