Coconut oil?

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    Jun 03, 2009 12:25 AM GMT
    I have recently read that taking a tablespoon of coconut oil daily is not only good for you but can help to lose weight. It is 120 calories (all from saturated fat) per tablespoon and supposedly, it is supposed to INCREASE your metabolism. Also, claims that it contains Lauric Acid, a fatty acid found in few sources such as mother's milk, and touted to be a nutrient rich miracle food. Another source says that since it is a medium chain triglyceride, that is is not bad for you like longer chain, and in fact is quite healthy. I have also incorporated other "healthy fats" into my diet like avacadoes and olive oil, so is this really necessary? Why would it (could it) be good?

    Here is my concern.

    I am experiencing the mid thirties maintenance of the spare tire. I have struggled with it and admittedly mine is not bad at all, it is just that I don't want it to INCREASE and I don't know how much an additional spoonful of saturated fat daily will make it worse.



    Anyt thoughts out there?

  • DCEric

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    Jun 03, 2009 1:20 AM GMT
    I don't know about this, but if it is that easy, everybody and his brother would be doing it. So it probably doesn't work.
  • calibro

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    Jun 03, 2009 1:22 AM GMT
    I prefer to take flax seed oil, but coconut is a very good product from what I have read and heard from those who use it.
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    Jun 03, 2009 1:29 AM GMT
    What about using CLA Tonalin instead ?

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    Jun 03, 2009 1:58 AM GMT
    What do you think of coconut oil?

    Recent studies are showing the health benefits of coconut oil, which had been looked upon as a source of saturated fats and therefore to be avoided for those individuals with concerns over their cholesterol levels.

    While it is true that coconut contains saturated fats, what is now being brought to light is that there are actually different types of saturated fats, just like there are different types of fats in general, and some types of saturated fats are good for you.

    A very traditional food, coconut oil is making a comeback these days as a popular cooking oil. Much of the saturated fat in coconuts is not long chain, but medium-chain fatty acids; in fact, coconut oil contains between approximately 55-65% 62% medium-chain fatty acids (MCFAs), including the healthy fats, lauric acid, caprylic acid, and capric acid. (Lauric acid is the most plentiful of the MCFAs in coconut oil, and sometimes accounts for as much as 75% of this oil's total MCFAs). MCFAs have been used for many years as dietary supplements in situations where absorption of nutrients needs improvement, including situations involving premature infants and adults with compromised bowel function. In some areas of the world where coconut oil is a regular component of the diet, the milk of nursing mothers is rich in MCFAs, and may be related to desirable health trends in later life.

    While the research points in this direction, there doesn't seem to be enough clinical research to conclusively state this at this point. I have also noticed that coconut oil is a very well promoted subject on the web, with many claims for its health benefits, notably for its antiviral activity. But from the research I have seen, many of these conclusions seem very preliminary given that there has not been that much research published on this subject and that which has been conducted has often been done on individual components of coconut oil. Yet, the research published to date suggests coconut oil is healthful.

    Another good thing about coconut oil is that its saturated fatty acid profile gives it a higher smoke point than many polyunsaturated or monounsaturated oils. Therefore, while I don't like to use oil in high heat applications, I understand that some people do. Coconut oil may be a good oil for this type of cooking.

    http://whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=george&dbid=221#answer
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    Jun 03, 2009 5:21 AM GMT
    Its seems the more saturated fat i add back to my diet the leaner I get. But i have also removed all processed sugar from my diet too.
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    Jun 03, 2009 5:42 AM GMT

    I take 1-3 tablespoons of it a day.

    Its pretty good actually and I definetly dropped a couple. I didnt think it increased your metabolism but I know its very good for your immune system, which is why I take it.

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    Jun 03, 2009 9:02 AM GMT
    DCEric saidI don't know about this, but if it is that easy, everybody and his brother would be doing it. So it probably doesn't work.


    If everybody had your attitude, then nobody would ever try anything.

    Thus, nothing new would ever be discovered.
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    Jun 03, 2009 10:58 AM GMT
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    5. Avoid palm and coconut oils. Most vegetable oils are unsaturated, but these two contain mostly saturated fat. Choose canola, sunflower, safflower, corn, soybean, olive, and peanut oils.

    The above article from the Harvard Medical School was in my email this AM. The Article was about reducing cholesterol naturally.

    I don't believe that any scientific studies exist that coconut oil increases metabolism. There are anecdotal reports on the Net making this claim.

    Lets say that Harvard finds that medium chain fatty acids are metabolized so fast that they do not have time to be converted to fat (This is what many articles on the net claim). You will still have 120 calories excess. To me, it seems that protein, sugar or another fatty acid will be converted to fat in place of coconut oil. The only way that the 120 calories will not be converted to fat is to exercise more. This is only my reasoning and concern. Maybe a biochemist or nutritionist on the site would know for sure.

    Here is a link to a calculator which will tell you how much you need to exercise to burn 120 calories
    http://www.healthstatus.com/calculate/cbc
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    Jun 03, 2009 11:09 AM GMT
    I just found this article from the Mayo Clinic that supports my claim that coconut will not help you lose weight..

    Can coconut oil promote weight loss?
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    from Katherine Zeratsky, R.D., L.D.

    Coconut oil has been touted by some as a way to lose weight. Proponents of coconut oil and weight loss claim that coconut oil can boost energy, provide a feeling of fullness, and decrease cravings for carbohydrates and sweets. However, to date, there are no clinical trials to show that coconut oil is effective for weight loss. In fact, some researchers suspect that coconut oil may actually contribute to weight gain. One tablespoon of coconut oil contains nearly 120 calories and more than 13 grams of fat. Gram for gram, coconut oil has 10 times more unhealthy saturated fat than does olive oil.

    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/coconut-oil-and-weight-loss/AN01899

    There are a lot of conflicting reports about coconut oil. Many academics believe the opposite of what I said. Until the situation is resolved, I'm not going to use coconut oil. I'll get my fats from nuts, olive oil and fish oil.
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    Jun 03, 2009 11:32 AM GMT
    It's amazing to me that the scientific community can be so utterly oblivious to the fact that since replacing traditional saturated fats with refined seed oils over the last 100 years, cancer and heart disease have skyrocketed, and they still insist that saturated fats are to blame. Unbelievable!

    For some in-depth analysis of dietary polyunsaturated fats, omega-6 vs. omega-3, etc. check out Stephan Guyenet's blog:

    http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/
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    Jun 03, 2009 11:38 AM GMT
    calibro saidI prefer to take flax seed oil, but coconut is a very good product from what I have read and heard from those who use it.


    There are conflicting reports that high alpha linolenic acid levels is linked to prostate cancer...Flax seed oil is high in ALA..However there are no published reports that flax seed oil can cause prostate cancer. There are some nutritionists that recommend against using flax seed oil because of the high ALA content. Their recommendation is to get your omega-3 fatty acids from other sources. Many nutritionists feel that flax seed oil is safe.

    http://www.healthy-oil-planet.com/flaxseed-oil-prostate-cancer.html
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    Jun 03, 2009 5:55 PM GMT
    paradox saidIt's amazing to me that the scientific community can be so utterly oblivious to the fact that since replacing traditional saturated fats with refined seed oils over the last 100 years, cancer and heart disease have skyrocketed, and they still insist that saturated fats are to blame. Unbelievable!

    For some in-depth analysis of dietary polyunsaturated fats, omega-6 vs. omega-3, etc. check out Stephan Guyenet's blog:

    http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/


    I agree with your post more than any, as many expert opinions I have seen that are NOT linked to some sort of "entity" whether it be govt agency linked or not, tend to say that the poly and mono oils are (molecularly) less stable, and not really as good sources, ultimately.

    So the story goes (from what I have read) that Before WWII, we used tropical oils almost exclusively and when our sources for that were compromised, and our crops for soy became more dependent and profitable we switched to the "sat. fats are bad for you" science. The rates of cardiovascular disease were also less prior to WWII, interestingly. So, thanks for having the courage to go against the grain. I think it is right. Native diets and incidence of disease: you'll find not only absence of diabetes, cancer, and heart disease, but high sat fat diets!

    I will share this.
    This article covers alot of what I have found:

    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2001/07/28/coconut-health.aspx

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    Jun 03, 2009 7:10 PM GMT

    You need to research anything that Dr Mercola says. He makes very controversial statements about accepted medical practices. He has received two citations from the FDA..If you are one of those people that believe he is a crusader and the government and organized medicine is conspiring against him, just Google Joseph Mercola and Quack and find out what the population has to say.

    Stephan Guyenet's is correct and is following what mainstream medicine believes. He is writing about the ratio of Omega 3 to Omega 6... Omega 3 fatty acids are good; Omega 6 fatty acids are bad. The epidemic of cardiovascular disease prior to World War II may have been caused by altering the ratio. Omega -6 in the American diet increased considerably... Guyenet says; ditch industrial vegetable oils such as corn, soybean, safflower and sunflower oil, and everything that contains them. This includes most processed foods, especially mayonnaise, grocery store salad dressings, and fried foods. We aren't meant to eat those foods and they derail our metabolism on a fundamental level. I also believe it's a good idea to have a regular source of omega-3, whether it comes from seafood, small doses of cod liver oil, or small doses of flax.

    Guyenet is not discussing saturated fats..The Omega 3 and 6 are polyunsaturated fats.. Coconut oil is not polyunsaturated but saturated fat..
    There has been a significant decline in heart disease and strokes since the 1970s. This has been attributed to improved life style: less smoking, less saturated fat in the diet, more exercise, better control of hypertension... How much of this improvement is due to reducing saturated fat is probably not known..

    I have been trying very hard to find an article written by a qualified individual that proves medium chain saturated fats are good for you (like Omega -3) not like the long chain saturated fats (like Omega-6) which are bad.
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    Jun 03, 2009 8:34 PM GMT
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    You need to research anything that Dr Mercola says. He makes very controversial statements about accepted medical practices. He has received two citations from the FDA..If you are one of those people that believe he is a crusader and the government and organized medicine is conspiring against him, just Google Joseph Mercola and Quack and find out what the population has to say.

    Stephan Guyenet's is correct and is following what mainstream medicine believes. He is writing about the ratio of Omega 3 to Omega 6... Omega 3 fatty acids are good; Omega 6 fatty acids are bad. The epidemic of cardiovascular disease prior to World War II may have been caused by altering the ratio. Omega -6 in the American diet increased considerably... Guyenet says; ditch industrial vegetable oils such as corn, soybean, safflower and sunflower oil, and everything that contains them. This includes most processed foods, especially mayonnaise, grocery store salad dressings, and fried foods. We aren't meant to eat those foods and they derail our metabolism on a fundamental level. I also believe it's a good idea to have a regular source of omega-3, whether it comes from seafood, small doses of cod liver oil, or small doses of flax.

    Guyenet is not discussing saturated fats..The Omega 3 and 6 are polyunsaturated fats.. Coconut oil is not polyunsaturated but saturated fat..
    There has been a significant decline in heart disease and strokes since the 1970s. This has been attributed to improved life style: less smoking, less saturated fat in the diet, more exercise, better control of hypertension... How much of this improvement is due to reducing saturated fat is probably not known..

    I have been trying very hard to find an article written by a qualified individual that proves medium chain saturated fats are good for you (like Omega -3) not like the long chain saturated fats (like Omega-6) which are bad.



    Did you actually read the article or just see that Dr. Mercola posted it? I'll give you a hint, he didn't write that article, he simply referenced it. It was written by a world leading lipid researcher Mary G. Enig, Ph.D. Got any dirt on her?

    Cited by the FDA? No wall flower is ever successful.
    http://www.quackwatch.com/11Ind/mercola.html

    What happens to those who oppose the government agencies of the United States? My guess is that since the government can cite people, they will if you disagree with them. OK, so this still tells me nothing. Certainly, we have all had disagreements...

    I don't really care about any of them (FDA or Mercola or Harvard or Mayo)

    What about coconut oil? Or should I just do what I have a vested interest in because it probably does not matter? LOL
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    Jun 03, 2009 8:39 PM GMT
    kneedraggen saidGuyenet is not discussing saturated fats..The Omega 3 and 6 are polyunsaturated fats.. Coconut oil is not polyunsaturated but saturated fat.


    Search his archives and you'll find that he addresses the coconut oil/saturated fat issue as well:

    http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/search?q=coconut
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    Jun 03, 2009 10:07 PM GMT
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    What happens to those who oppose the government agencies of the United States? My guess is that since the government can cite people, they will if you disagree with them.


    Cheerios was cited by the FDA recently...I started a thread about it, but it was a dud..icon_lol.gifhttp://www.realjock.com/gayforums/526422/
    FDA Finds Holes in Cheerios Health Claims...Only one guy caught the play on words concerning holes....

    I sure did not want to get into a debate over coconut oil. I just wanted to give you a different point of view. I worked in health care and felt it was my duty to warn you that coconut oil is not considered healthy by mainstream medicine. If you came to our clinic, we would tell you that. It is a free country and the patient is free to make their own educated decision. I also felt it was important to know about Mercola. I'm certainly not a lipid specialist and don't claim to be. I just read a lot and have taught students about cholesterol metabolism. I follow the recommendations of the premier medical schools like Harvard and Mayo. Since I last posted I have a link from John Hopkins also critical of coconut oil. I have no criticism of Mary G. Enig, She is authentic and expressing her opinion about saturated fat which differs from mainstream medicine. Disagreement in medicine is a good thing and stimulates thought. I spent hours wasting my time reading the pros and cons about coconut oil. After all that I still don't know if will raise or lower your cholesterol. I'm convinced that if you use to much; it gives you a spare tire.icon_lol.gif
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    Jun 03, 2009 11:56 PM GMT
    ManMachine23 saidWhat about using CLA Tonalin instead ?



    I have used it; it works. I guess the coconut oil for mew is the first choice because it is a food and secondly there are alot of other benefits to it. If I get fat from Coconut oil I am going to switch to CLA instead.
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    Jun 04, 2009 12:27 AM GMT
    DCEric saidI don't know about this, but if it is that easy, everybody and his brother would be doing it. So it probably doesn't work.

    I'm with Eric on this one.
    A steady stream of fads are promoted and promptly discounted in the nutrition/weight-loss arena.
    Remember "jogging in a jug"?
    How 'bout "Atkins"?
    About the only thing that hasn't been eventually discounted is eating a variety of natural foods to get a balanced diet.icon_wink.gif

    (Although the Mediterranean Diet seems promising).
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    Jun 05, 2009 7:21 AM GMT
    Good old COCONUT oil is a natural anti viral. They gave it to babies in their milk. These babies had HIV. It was know to surpress and even rid the child of HIV. I have studied up on this for my own info and work.

    It's good stuff and I have taken it at times. It seems to be beneficial. You do not need much for it to work well. The natural properties are amazing and I find you can apply it to your skin and have many irritations wiped away.

    Thanks for reminding me. I think I may add it back in my diet.....like in my protein drinks!!
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    Jun 06, 2009 1:27 AM GMT
    mistic_man saidGood old COCONUT oil is a natural anti viral. They gave it to babies in their milk.


    Coconut oil may have antibacterial properties...

    Virgin coconut oil, added to antibiotic therapy, may help relieve the symptoms of community-acquired pneumonia in kids faster than antibiotic therapy alone, a new study finds
    http://www.healthfinder.gov/newsletters/kids110308.aspx

    There is an article on Dr Weil's web page discussing coconut oil. Dr Weil is probably the foremost authority in the USA in the field of Integrative Medicine and Alternative Medicine. He is a director of a fellowship that trains physicians in this new medical field. His web page is a very good source of information if you are interested in an alternative approach to medicine rather than mainstream medicine. The article has a short discussion on the antiviral properties of coconut oil but not the antibacterial properties.
    http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/id/QAA316479