ATTN: Graphic designers, artists, and illustrators - you will like this

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    Jun 03, 2009 2:25 AM GMT
  • Little_Spoon

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    Jun 03, 2009 3:28 AM GMT
    You assume much.
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    Jun 03, 2009 3:42 AM GMT
    Hehe.. yeah... "Clients".. I've freelanced enough to hear at least 2 of these, and heard worse from friends of mine. Interesting how easy it is for people to downplay the cost of creativity and skill with a little bit of execu-speak.
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    Jun 03, 2009 3:49 AM GMT
    LOL Yeah in the past when I was freelancing, and the dialogue/situation was almost similar with some clients. This was before the recession.
  • Little_Spoon

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    Jun 03, 2009 3:54 AM GMT
    It loaded.
    And it's hilariously common banter.
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    Jun 03, 2009 3:55 AM GMT
    LOL.

    would be great to show this to people when they don't get it
  • fitartistsf

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    Jun 03, 2009 4:01 AM GMT
    Yeah, I've heard the horror stories of my fellow Graphic Artists... Fortunately (or maybe unfortunately, depending on how you look at it...) I work for the government, specifically, the US Air Force, as a Graphic Designer/Illustrator. That is NOT how business is conducted in the government!
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    Jun 03, 2009 4:41 AM GMT
    Yup. Been there.

    Only part it's missing is where the client decides they really didn't like what they asked for, and request a total redesign without any additional budget.
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    Jun 03, 2009 5:14 AM GMT
    this sounds alot like the bullshit i have to hear during a lap dance that wants to upgrade to v.i.p. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jun 03, 2009 5:50 AM GMT
    Haha I do a lot of stuff for churches and for my house, so I don't charge them that much, and I am doing something for my friends during the summer, they offered to pay me by the hour, and I told them that they couldn't afford to pay me by the hour. They don't realize how much art fees are.
  • gallus81

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    Jun 03, 2009 6:28 AM GMT
    this is the reason i walked away from graphic design (after 5 years)

    i wish I'd had that clip back then so I could have forced people to watch it the minute they started pulling that crap on me
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    Jun 03, 2009 6:52 AM GMT
    I have been a graphic artist, web developer and multimedia professional for 12 years. This is exactly how it goes - this is exactly how it will ALWAYS go.

    My mom is a graphic artist, and when she was doing signs and brochures BY HAND back in the early 80s she would get the same run around.

    Without creatives and developers such as myself there would be no Google, no Twitter, no Ebay, no RealJock, no Facebook, no Google Maps, no Mobile Uploads, no iPhone Apps, etc. etc. Yet somehow, somehow the rest of the world thinks that our services, our skills and our creativity should be free or as close to free as possible.
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    Jun 03, 2009 10:14 AM GMT
    SIGH

    I'm not even a graphic designer, I'm mostly a 3d modeler/texture artist and not in the industry yet but I've done 'freelance' work, sort of. It's the same thing. That's the problem with unquantifiable skill.

    You spend a whole week making something based on their specifications, and then you find out they've changed their minds on one 'small thing' which isn't really a 'small thing' at all ("make her dress purple, make her look like madonna, and give her wings!").

    Or the sheer hell of them talking about almost impossible to do stuff like it's as easy as drawing a stick figure ("make me like an elephant that above the pyramid with people looking at it and throwing flowers", or shit like that).

    They have simply NO idea what kind of work goes into simply interpreting their ideas. What they're interested about is profit, and that's all.

    Our art director is an industry pro and a vet and really really good, but even his work only gives him a pathetic income barely enough for food, shelter, and the occasional ridiculously expensive hardware upgrade.

    And sadly, that's part of the reason why the independent game developers are so rare nowadays. Only big monolithic studios like EA or something can afford to downplay the cost of their production like that.
  • Minkie09

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    Jun 03, 2009 10:52 AM GMT
    I think every one of those are my regular customers
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    Oct 09, 2009 2:58 AM GMT
    I wonder if this would be easier for me if I was like the big chef that looked like he could kill someone.
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    Oct 09, 2009 3:26 AM GMT
    EPIC, if not a TRAGIC, FAIL. If I were to ever hear some nonsense like this I wouldn't even hesitate to call the cops. I'd quickly ask the person to leave and just simple refuse service from then on.

    The truly sad thing is that people ACTUALLY do talk like this these days and really do expect to get away with it. Sorry but reality keeps her pimp hand strong and I'm the force behind it so that's a lose/lose situation with me right there. LOL.
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    Oct 09, 2009 3:33 AM GMT
    As creatives, we all have a duty to stick to our guns when we bill our clients. You want a world class website with a user community, advanced Flash, a beautiful AJAX driven interface, a backend content management system, mobile compatibility/optimization? $30,000 and no, it's not negotiable.