HAS ANYONE USED CYTOMEL-T3

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    Jun 03, 2009 7:29 PM GMT
    HAS ANYONE USED A SUPPLEMENT CALLED T3 ALSO KNOWN AS CYTOMEL..ALOT OF BODYBUILDERS WORLDWIDE USE IT ALONG WITH CLEN TO STAY CUT AND HAVE A LOW BODY PERCENTAGE ALL YEAR LONG..

    ANYONE USED IT AND HAD GOOD RESULTS?

    SHOOT ME A MESSAGE PLEASE
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    Jun 03, 2009 9:42 PM GMT
    blueyedhunk saidHAS ANYONE USED A SUPPLEMENT CALLED T3 ALSO KNOWN AS CYTOMEL..ALOT OF BODYBUILDERS WORLDWIDE USE IT ALONG WITH CLEN TO STAY CUT AND HAVE A LOW BODY PERCENTAGE ALL YEAR LONG..

    ANYONE USED IT AND HAD GOOD RESULTS?

    SHOOT ME A MESSAGE PLEASE


    Little Buddy, T3 (cytomel) and T4 is thyroid hormone and it's NOT a supplement. It's a hormone that regulates metabolism, mostly. You can research it on your own.

    Liothyronine sodium is the L-isomer of triiodothyronine (T3), a form of thyroid hormone used to treat hypothyroidism and myxedema coma. It is marketed under the brand name Cytomel (or Tertroxin in Australia).

    T3 and T4 are widely used for medical and cosmetic reasons. Small amounts of T3 are legal for research purposes, and are widely available online.

    Thyroid is NOT a steroid. Steroids are those hormones that are soluble in lipids, such as estrogen, cortisone, testosterone, and its derivatives. For the record, for the morons here, GH (Growth Hormone) is not a steroid, either.

    There's SO MUCH misinformation floating around.

    If you'd like to read more, go to any good muscle board, or Wikipedia, or webmd. The answers await you a "google" away.

    I'm sorry that metta8 is ignorant and doesn't understand the information in front of him, and didn't do enough research to speak in even a remotely qualified way.

    I've taken time to correct that just a bit for you, and you should feel free to research this further, on your own.

    Liothyronine is the most potent form of thyroid hormone. As such, it acts on the body to increase the basal metabolic rate, affect protein synthesis and increase the body's sensitivity to catecholamines (such as adrenaline) by permissiveness. The thyroid hormones are essential to proper development and differentiation of all cells of the human body. These hormones also regulate protein, fat, and carbohydrate metabolism, affecting how human cells use energetic compounds.

    In comparison to levothyroxine (T4), liothyronine has a faster onset of action as well as a shorter biological half-life, which may be due to less plasma protein binding to thyroxine-binding globulin and transthyretin. However, studies have shown that using liothyronine in combination with levothyroxine does not produce synergistic effects; other studies discourage the use of these two medications concurrently.

    Numerous studies have shown that even after 30 years of use, thyroid levels adjust within about three days of supplementation. You can read all about it online at places like bodybuilding.com. There are quoted studies all over the place that you can study up on. It's been through many trials over decades.

    T3 is commonly used by folks who are hypothyroid, models (to keep that starving look), fitness competitors (to get very lean), fat asses who need help in weight reduction, and bodybuilders who want to grow faster, while staying lean.

    Thyroid has a long history of medical and non-medical use.

    Note that clen and other OTC (Over The Counter) stuff work differently than T3. They work by invoking a shiver response.

    Any good muscle board will have LOADS of information on these topics.

    At 5'8" and 141#, the very last thing you need is stimulants and stuff that will burn your muscle mass. Thyroid, T3, or T4, is not selective in what it burns. You have very little to burn. EAT.
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    Jun 04, 2009 12:00 AM GMT
    T3 (Cytomel) works very well to burn fat and get that cut look. If you use it to long and in a too large dose, a myopathy will develop.. A myopathy is a muscle disease characterized by muscle weakness and muscle loss. All patients that are overtly hyperthyroid (excess thyroid hormone) will have fat loss and have weak muscles from the myopathy.

    Clen (Clenbuterol Hydrochloride) is an asthma medication. Clen augments the fat loss from Cytomel..Clen is not available in the USA for human use but is available for veterinary use.

    Anabolic steroids may lessen the muscle loss from excessive Cytomel use.

    These two medications can have serious side effects (a few are heart related). Read up to stay out of trouble.

    Follow Chucky's advice
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    Jun 04, 2009 7:01 PM GMT
    Yikes! I personally know somebody taking Cytomel. Last time I saw him he said that he had to run home and take his dose. He is Very, Very THIN and has very little muscles that are becoming more defined. It appears as though he is not eating much, if at all, and also working out.

    This just sounds unhealthy by a rule of common sense. We get one body, one life. I do not want to do more damage than good, ya know?

    Don't get me wrong. I want to get CUT, have visible ABS, and all the fame and glory and envy that goes along with it...(Or, do I?)

    But, not at my health's expense. I try to do everything NATURAL.

    I take some supplements as follows:

    Kelp, SuperFood, Hemp Seeds (not really a 'supplement', but I take daily), Glutamine (when I had a killer, muscle-tear workout). That's all.

    I also eat turkey, chicken, salmon, non fat milk, some cheese, almonds, oatmeal, peanut butter, olive oil, fresh fruit and veggies (organic when I can afford).

    My progress has been slow and steady, STABLE and Healthy as best I know how.

    My thoughts!


    Joe
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    Jun 04, 2009 7:21 PM GMT
    I have to jump in here.

    Thyroid, testosterone, GH, cortisone, estrogen are all natural. They are hormones your body makes.

    Things like penicillin, aspirin, Tylenol, are NOT natural, because your body doesn't make them. Arguably, most folks are better off for them, in any way shape, or form, however.

    The "nutrition" industry takes untested crap and labels it natural, and folks buy it. Right now there are 69 items that the FDA says are unsafe that have been pulled from health food stores.

    You're always better to take the real thing than some crap with false claims, that may, or may not, be good for you.

    Don't believe for a minute, that anything that's coming from a store is good, or bad, for you.

    The natural way is the hormone itself.

    We all enjoy better living through science, be it electricity, penicillin, pesticides, computing, machines, or synthetic hormone.

    Technology, in an of itself, is not bad. Technology applied in various ways, however, can be either good, or bad.

    Things like aspirin, or acetaminophen, could almost certainly never pass FDA muster today because of so many rules.

    Applied in a sensible way, technology can be life extending / life enhancing / promote well being and happiness. Whatever that technology might be.
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    Jun 04, 2009 7:30 PM GMT
    And, isn't it also true that the word "Natural" can be found on any label- even when a supplement has been synthetically manufactured or contains toxins such as maltodextrin and other msg "natural flavors"???

    When I was referring to being "Natural" I meant to say whole foods.

    I'm not confident enough in my knowledge of biochemistry to take the chance in trying to self-regulate my hormone levels with supplementation at this time. Maybe when I acquire more information I will be less hesitant to experiment...

    And, for the record- the FDA is a corrupt organization influenced by very powerful people, organizations, and corporations such as BioTech Giant MONSANTO- who manufacture some of the most detrimental toxins infused in the world's food supply. So, referencing the FDA is not too credible to me.

    Google that.


    Joe
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    Jun 04, 2009 7:42 PM GMT
    I concur that drug law, the FDA, the FAA, Big Pharm, Big Air, Big Food, and the DEA, are all growth industries that cater to their respective corporate sponsors, irregardless of good science.

    In 1991, despite the fact that not a single (as in NOT ONE) federal agency recommended control of anabolics, the 1991 Omnibus Drug Bill was passed. Now, even though endos have suggested that they be NOT CONTROLLED, and good science has shown the users are of higher IQ, higher health, better fitness, and live longer, and do not engage in other crime (from the GAO), the witch hunts continue for evil juice heads. Science and more science has not provided for a SINGLE death in over forty years of research on AAS. Not one. AAS rates about third from the bottom for ER visits. Pain pills rate in the top ten. Go figure.

    Ironically, numerous studies show the users of AAS, and HRT, live longer, have better health, and have a higher quality of life than folks who lay around. This is well documented on a UNT study done in 1999.

    Same thing goes for pot. Pot clearly does not cause cancer, and only results in violence because it's the #2 cash crop in America. I know several medical doctors who are big fans of pot. Apparently, I'm not the only one.

    We jail folks at a rate 5 times higher than the very liberal (SIC) China, and have nearly 3 million folks in jail on any given day in this country. At one point, 1 in 4 Black men was in jail, and now that's down a bit, to about 1 in 6.

    It's insane. I think California is on the right track with drug law.

    3100 folks die, each year from all illicit drug use, combined. 8,000,000 folks have adverse health from being inactive fat asses. 2,000,000 fat asses die, NEEDLESSLY, each year.

    It seems to be that our government is not interested in saving lives, but, rather on providing fodder to the growth industry that is prisons, and their supporting industries. Clearly, fat people are the number one killer, by so far and above.

    Ironically, because the economy has been slow, Logan and I have made money this year on, you guessed it, building jail management systems.

    The folks there BRAGGED about how they buy phone service for 1 cent per minute and sell it for 50 cents per minute. In my eyes, that's nothing short of extortion of the most unfortunate.

    Clearly, there are crooks, and horrible folks in the world, but, pot smokers, juice heads, and folks who have a line or two around, are not folks who should be locked up and disenfranchised from society.

    I personally don't like being mentally out of control, but, should Big Brother, tell me what goes on in my home, or your home, if it's not hurting someone, or something?

    What's funny is that the some of the stuff from the stores is almost certainly more harmful than the stuff that you could get that your body naturally makes. Go figure.

    My doctor literally threw the statins, CCBs, and the ACE inhibs in the trash, that my old doctor felt I should have. He wanted my bp at 115, which is not going to happen without heavy meds. Now, Big Pharm is pushing to have everyone's cholesterol at 115. Without lots and lots of meds, you can't get it that low. PERIOD. It's about control, and money, and value to shareholders. It's a shame what we've become, and what we submit ourselves to.

    If you watch Bill Maher on HBO, he has great stuff to say on all this.
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    Jun 04, 2009 7:43 PM GMT
    Waaaay back in the day I used a combination of Clen, T3 and the old Thermadrine to strip off about 15 pounds in 4 weeks. The stuff works, but keep in mind that as with anything over the counter or prescription or illegally obtained prescription, you assume whatever risks may come with it. The average healthy adult isn't going to mess himself up when following the commonly agreed upon guidelines that most bodybuilder types follow when using these drugs. However, shit does happen, but can usually be traced back to preexisting heart conditions and/or interactions with prescription and/or recreational drugs.

    And to the OP, you're already a thin lean guy. Chuckles is right. Eat right, eat more and work out harder.
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    Jun 04, 2009 8:16 PM GMT
    I agree with you, Chuckystud, regarding Social Freedom and Individual Responsibility in regards to people's right to choose for themselves what they put in their bodies.

    I recently trimmed off 7 lbs in 3 weeks, without harsh stimulant supplements or hormone adjustments. More cardio, lifting, and eating right is all I do.

    That being said, I am interested in beginning to research more about steroids and hormones and such. I want to get "CUT" as many others have said before- and I am open-minded to see what could help me in my goals-as long as my long-term health is not being compromised.

    What sites would you all recommend for more info?


    Joe
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    Jun 04, 2009 8:30 PM GMT
    chuckystud saidI concur that drug law, the FDA, the FAA, Big Pharm, Big Air, Big Food, and the DEA, are all growth industries that cater to their respective corporate sponsors, irregardless of good science.

    In 1991, despite the fact that not a single (as in NOT ONE) federal agency recommended control of anabolics, the 1991 Omnibus Drug Bill was passed. Now, even though endos have suggested that they be NOT CONTROLLED, and good science has shown the users are of higher IQ, higher health, better fitness, and live longer, and do not engage in other crime (from the GAO), the witch hunts continue for evil juice heads. Science and more science has not provided for a SINGLE death in over forty years of research on AAS. Not one. AAS rates about third from the bottom for ER visits. Pain pills rate in the top ten. Go figure.

    Ironically, numerous studies show the users of AAS, and HRT, live longer, have better health, and have a higher quality of life than folks who lay around. This is well documented on a UNT study done in 1999.

    Same thing goes for pot. Pot clearly does not cause cancer, and only results in violence because it's the #2 cash crop in America. I know several medical doctors who are big fans of pot. Apparently, I'm not the only one.

    We jail folks at a rate 5 times higher than the very liberal (SIC) China, and have nearly 3 million folks in jail on any given day in this country. At one point, 1 in 4 Black men was in jail, and now that's down a bit, to about 1 in 6.

    It's insane. I think California is on the right track with drug law.

    3100 folks die, each year from all illicit drug use, combined. 8,000,000 folks have adverse health from being inactive fat asses. 2,000,000 fat asses die, NEEDLESSLY, each year.

    It seems to be that our government is not interested in saving lives, but, rather on providing fodder to the growth industry that is prisons, and their supporting industries. Clearly, fat people are the number one killer, by so far and above.

    Ironically, because the economy has been slow, Logan and I have made money this year on, you guessed it, building jail management systems.

    The folks there BRAGGED about how they buy phone service for 1 cent per minute and sell it for 50 cents per minute. In my eyes, that's nothing short of extortion of the most unfortunate.

    Clearly, there are crooks, and horrible folks in the world, but, pot smokers, juice heads, and folks who have a line or two around, are not folks who should be locked up and disenfranchised from society.

    I personally don't like being mentally out of control, but, should Big Brother, tell me what goes on in my home, or your home, if it's not hurting someone, or something?

    What's funny is that the some of the stuff from the stores is almost certainly more harmful than the stuff that you could get that your body naturally makes. Go figure.

    My doctor literally threw the statins, CCBs, and the ACE inhibs in the trash, that my old doctor felt I should have. He wanted my bp at 115, which is not going to happen without heavy meds. Now, Big Pharm is pushing to have everyone's cholesterol at 115. Without lots and lots of meds, you can't get it that low. PERIOD. It's about control, and money, and value to shareholders. It's a shame what we've become, and what we submit ourselves to.

    If you watch Bill Maher on HBO, he has great stuff to say on all this.


    See now why does Chucky have to be so insightful about things like this, and yet, so shamelessly hateful towards other things? I agree with... will 200% of what Chucky said.
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    Jun 04, 2009 9:50 PM GMT
    joecoolnv saidI agree with you, Chuckystud, regarding Social Freedom and Individual Responsibility in regards to people's right to choose for themselves what they put in their bodies.

    I recently trimmed off 7 lbs in 3 weeks, without harsh stimulant supplements or hormone adjustments. More cardio, lifting, and eating right is all I do.

    That being said, I am interested in beginning to research more about steroids and hormones and such. I want to get "CUT" as many others have said before- and I am open-minded to see what could help me in my goals-as long as my long-term health is not being compromised.

    What sites would you all recommend for more info?


    Joe


    Just, FYI, when you carb de-load you can easily drop 10 pounds of water. I can drop 10 pounds overnight.

    You might wish to study up on glycogen loading.

    Lots of fat folks deload, losing that water than binds with carbs / first 10# and think they're on the fast track. That's just the deload. After that, the real work begins.

    If you're eating enough to keep your metabolism up, and you increase your exercise intensity, you'll lean out, without or without coffee, tea, ginseng, ephy, T3, or whatever magic cure you might choose.

    Most stimulants also have a diuretic effect, as well as lowering appetite, so they give the PERCEPTION of more rapid weight loss / tightening up, in addition to actually making your body go faster.

    Many super-thin folks have undiagnosed HYPER-thryoidism. A few fat asses have hypo thyroid, but, generally, they're just bad life style (fewer than 3% by most studies, although there's some research on a virus that shows up in those folks, too, but, it looks like it's after the fact, and not before).

    Obesity is by far, and, way, way, way, above the single biggest killer in this country.
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    Jun 04, 2009 9:56 PM GMT
    And, Joe, just type the "S word" into Google for more info.

    You can start on bodybuilding.com. :-)
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    Jun 04, 2009 10:15 PM GMT
    Thanks again ChuckyStud.

    I have not decreased carbs or anything in the past month. Been hitting the gym 3x a week with weight training, a 60 minutes Spin class 1x a week, hiking, walking more, and swimming in my friend's pool.

    I am eating a balanced diet of approx 60% carbs, 30% lean proteins, and 10% healthy fats. I do drink green tea most days, but still eat 3-5 small/moderate meals a day, plus healthy snacks... Also, I forgot to mention that I have been taking Apple Cider Vinegar (2tbsp with 8oz of water, 2x daily before meals at home). Maybe the ACV is helping with breakdown of fats and proteins?

    I should really be monitoring my body fat percentage and measurements which I haven't done in a long while.


    Joe