CNN.com poll-of-the day: Should Americans be able to sponsor foreign-born same-sex partners for citizenship?

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    Jun 04, 2009 2:24 PM GMT
    This is the simple poll on the CNN.com home-page. As of this moment, the poll is 40% yes, 60% no.

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    Jun 04, 2009 2:39 PM GMT
    ... and, of course, they took the poll down 10 seconds after I started this thread. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jun 04, 2009 2:52 PM GMT



    We say YES.
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    Jun 04, 2009 3:02 PM GMT
    oh goody, let's try to tie xenophobia and homophobia together.
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    Jun 04, 2009 3:05 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidoh goody, let's try to tie xenophobia and homophobia together.


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    Jun 04, 2009 3:05 PM GMT
    MZ said, "oh goody, let's try to tie xenophobia and homophobia together."


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    Jun 04, 2009 3:11 PM GMT
    Timberoo said
    MunchingZombie saidoh goody, let's try to tie xenophobia and homophobia together.


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    Jun 04, 2009 3:15 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie said
    Timberoo said
    MunchingZombie saidoh goody, let's try to tie xenophobia and homophobia together.


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  • zakariahzol

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    Jun 04, 2009 4:04 PM GMT
    If this is happening back in 1989, I be an American resident (if not citizen) by now. It come 20 years to late for me. My life must be so much different than it is now. Why I say this...my live in American bf at that time are more than willing to marry me and sponsor me to live there with him
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    I dont regret it though, just imagining how the direction of my life would have been if this have been possible back then.

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    Jun 04, 2009 4:15 PM GMT
    I'm on the fence with with one. I'm not sure if could get on board with this until Gay marriage is a right of all 50 states. It seems premature to allow such a thing to occur. It makes no sense to me.

    If that is the case then str8t couples who are not married should be able to do the same if their partners are not americans, but they can't. It just does not seem fair.
  • metta

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    Jun 04, 2009 4:23 PM GMT
    Yes. It is a right that straight married couples get. Therefore, it is a right that gay married couples should have as well. Period. End of discussion. Make it happen! icon_biggrin.gificon_wink.gif


    Even if they only make it for gay married couples, I'm actually fine with that. That would help us move forward by having the federal government recognize gay marriages that are performed in states.
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    Jun 04, 2009 4:24 PM GMT
    YES!
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    Jun 04, 2009 5:04 PM GMT
    Ducky45 saidI'm on the fence with with one. I'm not sure if could get on board with this until Gay marriage is a right of all 50 states. It seems premature to allow such a thing to occur. It makes no sense to me.

    If that is the case then str8t couples who are not married should be able to do the same if their partners are not americans, but they can't. It just does not seem fair.


    ok and is it fair that they can sponser their married partners and we can't sponser our partners at all. I would call this a step in the right direction. fuck fairness to straight people. they havent been acting very fairly to us.
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    Jun 04, 2009 5:12 PM GMT
    A resounding yes, but I have a vested interest, and therefore, I am probably biased.
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    Jun 04, 2009 5:12 PM GMT
    Ducky45 saidI'm on the fence with with one. I'm not sure if could get on board with this until Gay marriage is a right of all 50 states. It seems premature to allow such a thing to occur. It makes no sense to me.

    If that is the case then str8t couples who are not married should be able to do the same if their partners are not americans, but they can't. It just does not seem fair.


    Whose team are you on anyway? How do you feel about the emancipation of slaves? Idiot.
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    Jun 04, 2009 5:22 PM GMT
    The US Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) prohibits that. Until it is repealed, or declared unconstitutional by federal courts (unlikely with Bush appointees), it is the law. You may thank a Republican Congress, and a politically weakened and spineless President Bill Clinton, for this law.
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    Jun 04, 2009 5:39 PM GMT
    I concur with Metta on this, but as Red Vespa pointed out, first things first.
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    Jun 04, 2009 6:40 PM GMT
    Ducky45 saidI'm on the fence with with one. I'm not sure if could get on board with this until Gay marriage is a right of all 50 states. It seems premature to allow such a thing to occur. It makes no sense to me.

    If that is the case then str8t couples who are not married should be able to do the same if their partners are not americans, but they can't. It just does not seem fair.


    I'm betting this idea would make a great deal more sense if you had a partner that was foreign-born, eh? As with most, I'm guessing you don't know what you don't have until you're wanting it and deprived. Even if neither of these thoughts ring true, when exactly do you predict we will have the same rights as heterosexual married couples so that we can equate this idea with "fairness?"

    All of this said, my personal view is that Americans should be able to sponsor foreign-born same-sex partners for citizenship if said couples meet the criterion that exists for opposite-sex couples.
  • Timbales

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    Jun 04, 2009 7:00 PM GMT
    It seems like it's putting the cart before the horse. If you have to be married to sponsor a foreign born person for citizenship, then we need to have same-sex marriage or the equivalent for all Americans first.
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    Jun 04, 2009 7:05 PM GMT
    As much as I want marriage equality, there are couples that are being torn apart right now so why not do something about it right now? Making some provision for same-sex couples would be less of a political cluster-fuck for policy makers, as this issue would fly below the radar of most voters and the analysis capabilities of most media outlets.

    Marriage equality is still far off in the future. Marriage in the six states that allow same-sex marriage still don't grant citizenship to partners, as that is a federal right. Something like this could be done, and possibly without congressional approval (I don't know, this is an area I know very little about).
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    Jun 04, 2009 7:06 PM GMT
    Thanks Tim! That's point I was making it apparently got lost in translation with RandyMan! It's a terrible idea.
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    Jun 04, 2009 7:09 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidAs much as I want marriage equality, there are couples that are being torn apart right now so why not do something about it right now? Making some provision for same-sex couples would be less of a political cluster-fuck for policy makers, as this issue would fly below the radar of most voters and the analysis capabilities of most media outlets.

    Marriage equality is still far off in the future. Marriage in the six states that allow same-sex marriage still don't grant citizenship to partners, as that is a federal right. Something like this could be done, and possibly without congressional approval (I don't know, this is an area I know very little about).


    I understand what you mean, but playing devil's advocate, what's the difference between acknowledging a foreign same-sex marriage and a domestic one?
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    Jun 04, 2009 7:16 PM GMT
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    Given the vapid nature of your post and it's intent to light torch you poor mis-guided child. No cigar. I will not be reduced to such lappish antics, but you carry on child...CARR ON!

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    Jun 04, 2009 7:26 PM GMT
    Timberoo saidI understand what you mean, but playing devil's advocate, what's the difference between acknowledging a foreign same-sex marriage and a domestic one?


    I think we are comparing two different things. With full marriage equality, there is no difference. Marvelous. But with the current state of the issue, couples can be torn apart when one has their visa extended and the other doesn't. Or, in the case of the article and an experience of our own DCEric, one person is a citizen and their partner is not. Visa expires and it is back off to Timbuktu while your boyfriend waves goodbye.

    But, since marriage is a state by state thing by our constitution, I am pretty sure each state would have to pass marriage equality and DOMA would have to be overturned to fix this. Or, make alternate visa for a spouse regulations that account for couples that cannot be married and you circumvent the whole mess.
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    Jun 04, 2009 7:33 PM GMT
    of course they should. There should be no debate.

    You VOTE on whether all members of your society can have basic human rights?

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