4 teens charged as adults in locker room sexual assault case

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    Jun 04, 2009 4:53 PM GMT
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    Prosecutors: Victim, 13, raped over 2-month period with broomstick, hockey stick

    Multiple people witnessed attacks, but no one reported incidents, prosecutor says

    The 4 teens gave written admission of assaults to school officials in Florida

    Defense attorney for one teen says client's family is among the finest in Tampa

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/04/florida.sexual.assault/index.html

    The story doesnt say why the teens are being charged as adults.
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    Jun 04, 2009 4:56 PM GMT
    I predict they won't be convicted of any felony, at a most a misdemeanor charge of simple assault. They will claim "gay panic" and/or "consensual sex" and will be acquitted of the major charges. That is the reality of gay cases here in Florida, a red state.
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    Jun 04, 2009 4:58 PM GMT
    F'd up...
    And of course, the parents just want every one to know how "great" their boys are...
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    Jun 04, 2009 5:01 PM GMT
    BodyWork4 saidF'd up...
    And of course, the parents just want every one to know how "great" their boys are...

    Exactly. "Defense attorneys told the judge their clients were good students and had never been in trouble before. Attorney Tim Taylor, representing Randall Moye, said his client's family is among the finest in the community."

    These "good students" will walk. You really think they'll go to jail for this? It was only a fucking gay kid they assaulted, after all. Wasn't he asking for it? What's all the fuss?
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    Jun 04, 2009 7:45 PM GMT
    Umm...who said the kid was gay? The article certainly doesn't say it.
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    Jun 04, 2009 7:49 PM GMT
    Maybe they're being charged as a adults because the offense 'rape' is an adult offense? While most teen offenses are near the category of 'prank', rape is indeed serious.
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    Jun 04, 2009 7:54 PM GMT
    DClifterguy saidUmm...who said the kid was gay? The article certainly doesn't say it.


    I didn't see that either. Sadly, this kind of thing isn't all that uncommon, but is rarely reported. When I was in high school and then college in eastern Washington State incidents like these made the news twice, but only because in both cases the victims had to be hospitalized due perforated colons. This is not an entirely uncommon, and seriously fucked up, high school athletics hazing ritual at least in the part of the country where I grew up. So until evidence or testimony to the contrary is presented, I would hold off calling this a gay bashing or hate crime. While I'll accept that it is, if it is revealed as such, my experience in the past tells me it probably is not.

    Just one of the many reason I opted for intramural athletics rather than being part of the high school team.
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    Jun 04, 2009 7:56 PM GMT
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    DClifterguy saidUmm...who said the kid was gay? The article certainly doesn't say it.


    I didn't see that either. Sadly, this kind of thing isn't all that uncommon, but is rarely reported. When I was in high school and then college in eastern Washington State incidents like these made the news twice, but only because in both cases the victims had to be hospitalized due perforated colons. This is not an entirely uncommon, and seriously fucked up, high school athletics hazing ritual at least in the part of the country where I grew up.


    I agree it is very tragic. Part of me hopes the 4 of them find out what it feels like when they end up in prison with a big fat cell mate named Bubba.
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    Jun 04, 2009 8:03 PM GMT
    DClifterguy said
    GuerrillaSodomite said
    DClifterguy saidUmm...who said the kid was gay? The article certainly doesn't say it.


    I didn't see that either. Sadly, this kind of thing isn't all that uncommon, but is rarely reported. When I was in high school and then college in eastern Washington State incidents like these made the news twice, but only because in both cases the victims had to be hospitalized due perforated colons. This is not an entirely uncommon, and seriously fucked up, high school athletics hazing ritual at least in the part of the country where I grew up.


    I agree it is very tragic. Part of me hopes the 4 of them find out what it feels like when they end up in prison with a big fat cell mate named Bubba.

    I would say that might be a case of poetic justice.
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    Jun 04, 2009 8:03 PM GMT
    If they indeed did this because of some trumped up idea that the 13 yr old might be gay, it screams Hate Crime and Florida's hate crimes law does cover sexual orientation. And if they did it just because they were exerting some twisted Alpha Male superiorty complex, they should still be strung up along with their parents. My question is why was one of the 4 perps allowed to leave the area and why hasn't a judge ordered his return?
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    Jun 04, 2009 8:05 PM GMT
    Given the nature of the crime I'm surprised that the bond is so low. Terrible the gay panic defense may not work depending on the facts because no where in the article does the victim identifies himself as being gay. These types of things also happend to smaller str8 guys.

    Gay or str8 it does not matter this kid wa raped. I find it shocking that Moye parents can say he's a good kid. Good kids don't behave this way and I doubt if he held this kid down for a few seconds.

    What are these parents teaching these kids? All this bullying is going to lead to the return of school shooting.

    I'm glad he finally faught back!
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    Jun 04, 2009 8:07 PM GMT
    I hope the perpetrators lose their freedom for a very long time. How shameful.
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    Jun 04, 2009 8:18 PM GMT
    ugh, tampa.
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    Jun 04, 2009 8:20 PM GMT
    DClifterguy saidUmm...who said the kid was gay? The article certainly doesn't say it.


    Yes, I agree this is definitely a horrible thing, but we need to avoid labeling this homophobia. I would guess that if being gay was an issue one side or the other would have brought it up as a motive/excuse. Hell, who knows, maybe one or more of the perpetrators was gay.

    Anyway, it's still rape, and should be treated accordingly. Also, the standing of these boys' families in the community should have no bearing on the sentencing.
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    Jun 04, 2009 8:39 PM GMT
    Since two of the perps are white and two are Black Easy to get a hate crime tag on this one. Concerning son of a cop some of the biggest thugs in our town were sons of the Cops In fact on watch another kid bash another kids brains in anyone near Boston remember Shaun Oulette Rod matthews case ?
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    Jun 04, 2009 8:53 PM GMT
    I don't think these boys should be charged as adults, since they aren't adults, but they should serve time for the awful act.
  • GQjock

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    Jun 04, 2009 10:10 PM GMT
    I wanna see these kids charged as if they had done the same thing to a girl
    The double standard in cases like this is blatant
    This was a power stunt .... little boys doing what they thought "GUYS" should do
    This is the crap that homophobia breeds
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    Jun 04, 2009 10:19 PM GMT
    ErikTaurean saidMy question is why was one of the 4 perps allowed to leave the area and why hasn't a judge ordered his return?

    Aww, c'mon, boys will be boys. This is Florida, and the defense will subtly imply the victim is gay, whether he is or not, but not strongly enough to trigger a hate crimes charge, and the jury will let the perpetrators off. We all know that sodomizing a gay boy is what he wanted and deserved anyway, right?

    The hate crimes law in Florida is almost never used on behalf of gay victims, and it won't be here. The defense will hint at the victim being gay, to undermine sympathy for him, but will fight a hate crimes charge on those grounds. This poor kid will be fucked in more ways than one. But hey, welcome to justice in an anti-gay red state.
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    Jun 04, 2009 10:24 PM GMT
    straight or gay re: the victim (what a silly question to ask anyway, as if the kid was gay would that make him more "deserving" or even someone who might "enjoy" such treatment) all I can think about is how uncomfortably awful an unlubed broomstick or hockey stick would feel.

    that poor kid.
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    Jun 04, 2009 10:27 PM GMT
    If the perps' families are good families, and with all the other students who knew what was going on for two months because they could hear the screams and what not, it only begs the question:


    What trailer park of a town are they all from?
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    Jun 04, 2009 10:29 PM GMT
    Whereas the crime is mind-boggling, arent these kids still adolescents? At 14, one isnt mature. The brain isnt fully developed yet. That part of the brain that controls impulsive behavior isnt fully developed yet. Altho I would think at 14, one would know enough not to stick a broomhandle or a hockey stick up some other kid's ass.

    Should the punishment be adjusted to the age of these kids and designed to shape their development into adulthood?
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    Jun 04, 2009 10:46 PM GMT
    This isn't what ordinary kids do. And for two months at that. This was a heinous act of violence. This wasn't schoolyard fighting or vandalism or smoking a joint. That's more of how teens rebel in their youth. This rape was wrong to the Nth degree and they knew that when they did it. LORD OF THE FLIES IN THE LOCKEROOM.
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    Jun 04, 2009 11:12 PM GMT
    Despite the splash the prosecutor's office made with these charges, this will fade away into nothing. Either they'll accept reduced charges of simple assault and not go to trial, getting just probation, or a jury will acquit them of anything serious, at most minor assault, likewise resulting in probation. This is Florida, for gawd's sake.
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    Jun 06, 2009 5:28 AM GMT
    Maybe if Nancy Grace screams about this night after night or Greta Susteren gets behind it like they both did for the Natalie Holloway frenzy or the Casey/ Caylee mediafest, justice will be done.

    If they are guilty, they need prison terms. Hazing is shaving cream in a jock strap. If true, this is rape. Plain and simple.
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    Jun 06, 2009 5:29 AM GMT
    Leopold and Loeb were from very fine rich families. The crime was the same.