Obama's speech in Cairo

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    Jun 04, 2009 6:32 PM GMT
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    Jun 04, 2009 9:30 PM GMT
    disgusting. that was some serious butt kissing.
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    Jun 04, 2009 9:47 PM GMT
    jprichva saidTypical conservative retard.


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  • HotCoach

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    Jun 04, 2009 9:48 PM GMT
    Two state solution is impossible b/c of the continued injustices and lies.

    One state with a democratically elected government.After pre 1967 boundries reestablished.

    One man one vote with religion and ethnicity having no influence just like any democracy. No need for a "Jewish" state. And call it whatever the majority wants.
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    Jun 04, 2009 10:03 PM GMT
    It's nice to have a President that we can be proud of instead of having the urge to hide my eyes whenever he talks
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    Jun 04, 2009 10:33 PM GMT
    No where did he mention Egypt's quasi-dictator Mubarak. He did not kiss Israel's ass. He admits the US' role in the 1953 coup of Iran's elected Prime Minister.

    While I am disappointed in a number of things with the Obama administration. Some things he does are just fucking stelar.
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    Jun 04, 2009 10:40 PM GMT
    I feel sometimes that Obama is not "with" us... And, therefore I officially declare my breakup with Mr. President.

    See what I mean here...

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    "Give me my money back Mr. President!"
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    Jun 04, 2009 10:55 PM GMT
    I was all for Barrak Obama when he was on the electorial campaign last year. As the first black candidate in American history to bid for presidency, I saw him as one who was exceptionally couragious, one who matched the New York hero, "I have a Dream..." Martin Luther King.
    But in this speech, I think he is making a dreadful mistake.
    No, I'm not for Republicanism, nor have I any disregard for individual Muslims.
    But I'm aware of seven important matters, which are:
    1. The speech is unsettling for the nation of Israel, its Government and its land.
    2. The strip of land on the east coast of the Mediterranean rightly belong to the Jews.
    3. The chief purpose of Muslim Palestinians was always to "push Israel into the Med", ie to destroy Israel, especially under the leadership of the late Yasser Arafat.
    4. Islam as a national religion poses a threat to Western freedom and liberty. Islam has no tolerance for people of another faith in an Islamic country. There, women aren't even allowed out of the house without their husbands' permission or company.
    5. Islamic attitude in Muslim countries have a 6th Century mentallity. For example, adulterers are stoned to death, as with homosexuals. The hands of thieves are amputated, and such remain in a crippled state without a chance of rehabilitation.
    6. Fathers put their offspring to death if they convert to another faith, and I believe that marriages are arranged, regardless of the daughter's feelings for her suitor.
    7. The ambition of every Muslim is to convert the whole world to Allah. They would, if they could, resort to Ji-had, or "Holy War" to achieve this. Those who refuse to submit to Allah faces execution. This is the commandment given by their "prophet" Mohammed.

    President Obama is playing a very dangerous game in the name of "Peace in the Middle East". First, as long as Israel exist as a nation, there will never be any lasting peace in the Middle East. The Muslim's bid to wipe out Israel is just as intense today as it was under Yasser Arafat, Nasser - one time President of Egypt, Gaddaffi of Lybia and other leaders of Islamic countries.
    In his speech, Obama is putting the whole of the USA in a perilous situation. It is a very dangerous idea to side with the enemies of the Jews, like Britain did under the leadership of Chamberlain and Churchill in the mid 1940s. The result was the loss of Empire and decline of spiritual, moral and economic fabric of Britain in the years that followed.
    If the USA were to be persuaded to side with Islam against the Jews, it will get into deep trouble, including the rapid growth of Islam in the USA.
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    Jun 04, 2009 11:01 PM GMT
    Hmmmm.

    He's continuing to hold indefinitely detainees at GITMO, but on stage he's adressing the Muslim world that we're not at war with Muslims. How does he expect Muslims to react to this conundrum?
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    Jun 04, 2009 11:50 PM GMT
    jprichva said
    AF24 saiddisgusting. that was some serious butt kissing.

    You really don't have even a shred of decency, do you.
    Typical conservative retard.


    and you sir...are a shining beacon of decency? but i digress...

    my point is that this appeasement and kow-towing never have, and never will benefit our country (or any country) in the long run..
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    Jun 04, 2009 11:56 PM GMT
    AF24 said
    jprichva said
    AF24 saiddisgusting. that was some serious butt kissing.

    You really don't have even a shred of decency, do you.
    Typical conservative retard.


    and you sir...are a shining beacon of decency? but i digress...

    my point is that this appeasement and kow-towing never have, and never will benefit our country (or any country) in the long run..


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    Jun 05, 2009 12:06 AM GMT
    I'm surprised at the response so far....I thought it was a wonderful speech....it was not an agenda setting or policy setting speech...but one that opened the doors to communication....doors that have too long been closed and sealed shut....at some point or another we have to start trusting one another or one of us is going to blow up this wonderful world we live in...and I for one am having too good a time to leave it any sooner then when it is naturally going to happen........
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    Jun 05, 2009 12:14 AM GMT
    coolarmydude saidHmmmm.

    He's continuing to hold indefinitely detainees at GITMO, but on stage he's adressing the Muslim world that we're not at war with Muslims. How does he expect Muslims to react to this conundrum?


    Muslims, amazingly, are capable of distinguishing between extremism and "normal islam" (and don´t let the religious right form your view of what islam is about..it´s got its own agenda). Of course, they are not happy about the detention of innocent people, but that is not just a muslim perception.
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    Jun 05, 2009 12:14 AM GMT
    I want Obama to come home and make a speech to Congress and the American people about the rights of minorities!
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    Jun 05, 2009 12:25 AM GMT
    Caslon11000 saidI want Obama to come home and make a speech to Congress and the American people about the rights of minorities!



    Really! He can make the best of foreign speeches with no risk to his political capital, but then again, he did proclaim JUNE 2009 as GLBT Pride month!!! icon_rolleyes.gif (That was sarcasm, CASLON!)

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    Jun 05, 2009 12:27 AM GMT
    Don't get me wrong, I thought the speech sends the appropriate message to the Middle East, but I have no problem criticizing him where criticisms are warranted.

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    Jun 05, 2009 12:29 AM GMT
    What a naiive leader. He'll be shocked to learn that there will be NO peace, EVER. The first "I told you so" will be lebanon and their upcoming elections.

    Plus, enough with calling for democracy in the damn middle east. every time we do that, we get a government that either wants to wipe israel off the map, or a government that will oppress it's people ten thousand times more than dictators do.

    Only dictatorship works in that region, believe it or not.
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    Jun 05, 2009 12:30 AM GMT
    I've only heard soundbites on the news, but Obama said the current position of the Palestinian people was intolerable and settlements in occupied territory should stop - sounds good to me.
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    Jun 05, 2009 12:32 AM GMT
    cruelsummer saidWhat a naiive leader. He'll be shocked to learn that there will be NO peace, EVER. The first "I told you so" will be lebanon and their upcoming elections.

    Plus, enough with calling for democracy in the damn middle east. every time we do that, we get a government that either wants to wipe israel off the map, or a government that will oppress it's people ten thousand times more than dictators do.

    Only dictatorship works in that region, believe it or not.


    You really have a knack of writing dumb posts.

    troll?
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    Jun 05, 2009 12:34 AM GMT
    coolarmydude said... but then again, he did proclaim JUNE 2009 as GLBT Pride month!!!

    That means as much as Black History Month....BFD and WTFC!
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    Jun 05, 2009 12:38 AM GMT
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    cruelsummer saidWhat a naiive leader. He'll be shocked to learn that there will be NO peace, EVER. The first "I told you so" will be lebanon and their upcoming elections.

    Plus, enough with calling for democracy in the damn middle east. every time we do that, we get a government that either wants to wipe israel off the map, or a government that will oppress it's people ten thousand times more than dictators do.

    Only dictatorship works in that region, believe it or not.


    You really have a knack of writing dumb posts.

    troll?


    Dumb posts or not, if you study currents events a bit more, you would see it. We called for democracy in Palestine, we got Hamas. We called for democracy is Pakistan, we got the Taliban. If we call for democracy in Egypt, it's the Muslim Brotherhood. I could go on and on and on.

    It's very counterproductive. We call for voting, then once they vote, we turn on them. Let me repeat, only dictatorship works, and I think Obama recognizes that now, since he does want peoce.

    What the fuck do you know?
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    Jun 05, 2009 12:48 AM GMT
    cruelsummer saidLet me repeat, only dictatorship works, and I think Obama recognizes that now, since he does want peoce.

    What the fuck do you know?


    I know how to spell "peace".

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    Jun 05, 2009 12:49 AM GMT
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    Jun 05, 2009 12:50 AM GMT
    In US law there is allowance for indefinite detention of individuals who pose security threats during war time.

    AF24 said
    my point is that this appeasement and kow-towing never have, and never will benefit our country (or any country) in the long run..


    I don't see it as appeasement and kow-towing. Obama acknowledged the historical connections between Islam and western cultures in order to bridge the differences between the two. He claimed that both came from the same origins, which is true. He acknowledged the important role of Islam in developing technology and spreading classical culture in the middle ages. These historical connections and Islam's role in the renaissance had been intentionally downplayed in western historical accounts to glorify western culture and christianity. Even the role of eastern orthodox christianity had been downplayed as well.

    I think it was a very strategic, thoughtful, and polished speech. The Islamic world is not monolithic, it has internal problems that create the belligerent religious fanaticism in the first place. Having jobs for young people, reducing wealth disparity, encouraging democracy ultimately will defeat terrorism. As long as America is an adversarial and foreign force, America's voice has no weight in the middle east. Force doesn't give you that weight. You have weight when you work with moderate segments of their society and help them defeat extremists. You have to get involved in the internal political and social aspects of middle eastern countries to help them become more stable and more democratic, without imposing anything.

    cruelsummer said
    Plus, enough with calling for democracy in the damn middle east. every time we do that, we get a government that either wants to wipe israel off the map, or a government that will oppress it's people ten thousand times more than dictators do.

    Only dictatorship works in that region, believe it or not.


    Election alone is not democracy, as Obama acknowledged. Security and economics need to come first.
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    Jun 05, 2009 12:51 AM GMT
    And who doesn't want peace. The argument is weather peace is realistic. People there simply don't want peace with us. Once you understand that, you'll accept it.

    I'm sure Obama's intentions are great. He's an intelligent man. But he fails to recognize that "they" (and I'm an arab, so I'm not being racist) don't want peace.

    We tried it with Carter. Iran responded to his overtures by the hostage taking.