Homosexuality and Paganism.

  • Pheo

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    Jun 06, 2009 4:02 AM GMT
    Anyone a Pagan in here? I hardly find any pagans who are gay. It's kind of funny and odd, but depressing at the same time. Most of my relationships ended because of "OMG! PAGAN! BURN IN HELL!" when they find out about it and after that I just give them a lecture that Hell is Hel which is of Viking/Asatru faiths... And then walk away. I'm separated from a gay pagan who I love, but I have a feeling it's not going to work being as... He's a non practicing Pagan and is... Well against my belief system. I think it's funny I keep running into these men. Even when I was about to give up a fight with an infection I had... Not an STD btw, but an infection that moved to my lungs and still trying to get through it, when I shown signs of getting better he just... Stops talking romantically. So anyways. That's just babble.

    If there are ANY pagans out there or anyone with an open mind who would like to discuss Paganism or just religion in general... Hit me up or reply. This would be fun. =)
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    Jun 06, 2009 5:56 AM GMT
    You need to find a Radical Faerie, I think.

    http://www.radfae.org/
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    Jun 06, 2009 6:18 AM GMT
    Interesting topic. A word of advice though. When our resident angry atheists descend upon your thread like the ravening hounds of the Wild Hunt, try not to let it get to you that much.icon_wink.gif
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    Jun 06, 2009 6:20 AM GMT
    Merry Meet, Pheo!


    Fellow Pagan here, send me a hollar' if you want to chat.


  • Tiller66

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    Jun 06, 2009 7:11 AM GMT
    I used to be into it awhile back but in my area it turned into more politics then anything so I've have'nt been a practicing one for afew yrs. but I do understand it and like it. If you would likew to chat about it hit me up.
  • Pheo

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    Jun 06, 2009 8:22 AM GMT
    GuerrillaSodomite saidInteresting topic. A word of advice though. When our resident angry atheists descend upon your thread like the ravening hounds of the Wild Hunt, try not to let it get to you that much.icon_wink.gif



    LOL! I have many many friends who are atheist. I used to hang out with Cap'Awesome and GypsyWytch on youtube alot when she was an atheist. I debate like an atheist, but I'm a pagan. lol. Plus they want to prove there is a higher being. Mine is extremely physical and one they can't disprove that it isn't there. lol
  • mynyun

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    Jun 06, 2009 9:52 AM GMT
    Interesting. Because when I started reading and learning and exploring paganism and mysticism and the like it seem paganism and homosexuality went hand and hand. It seemed that for every 4 pagans I met online 1 of them was gay. I guess that's not the case anymore.
    Well I'm pagan.
    And most other pagans, especially ones leaning toward wicca, don't believe in a Hell/Hel or Satan or things of that nature.
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    Jun 06, 2009 12:00 PM GMT
    GuerrillaSodomite saidInteresting topic. A word of advice though. When our resident angry atheists descend upon your thread like the ravening hounds of the Wild Hunt, try not to let it get to you that much.icon_wink.gif


    LOL- oh you certainly have a way with words. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jun 06, 2009 12:44 PM GMT
    GuerrillaSodomite saidInteresting topic. A word of advice though. When our resident angry atheists descend upon your thread like the ravening hounds of the Wild Hunt, try not to let it get to you that much.icon_wink.gif


    Did somebody page me?

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    Oh and the Erlk├Ânig is hawt.

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    Jun 06, 2009 1:38 PM GMT
    Looking for gay pagans on the net? Try Pagan Men4Men. Some nice guys on there. I actually haven't been as active there recently.

    I find a lot of gays in the pagan community.
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    Jun 06, 2009 2:06 PM GMT
    well, i practiced wicca in secret through highschool despite my very strictly Lutheran family and upbringing- and though i don't identify as 'pagan' any more, i'm connected with people who do (i'm a Thelemite now, and i'm not sure how that one's categorized- its a bit of everything at once lol). maybe its where you live, Pheo- i've always been surrounded by gay pagans, and it seems that most gays i've met are either pagan, atheist, or agnostic. the few who identify as christian mostly admit to being lip-service christians out of the habit of upbringing- it's what's comfortable and safe. maybe you just live in more conservative areas.

    ps when a 'christian' queer points at you and goes "eek, a witch, burn it," just retort "omg, a sodomite, stone it!" lol

  • Jun 06, 2009 2:30 PM GMT
    I know plenty of gay pagans, And even quite a few of them in my area. Hell most of the pagans that I know are at least bisexual.

    By boyfriend and I are both ADF-Druids (I'm roman, he's norse).

    For those of you interested, there is a gay and bisexual men's pagan gathering here in Ohio in september, called Between the Worlds. you can find more about it at www.betweentheworlds.org. I've been going for 5 years now and I'm on the town council for the event.
  • swogdog

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    Jun 06, 2009 3:02 PM GMT
    ^ I'm a practicing Druid too. Buddhist as well (self-proclaimed dru-bu). Not with the ADF but with the AODA. I've been a Buddhist for 20 years and a pagan at heart since birth.

    Just don't tell my hard-core christian family. It was easier to come out to them as gay...icon_confused.gif
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    Jun 06, 2009 3:10 PM GMT
    Pheo saidAnyone a Pagan in here? I hardly find any pagans who are gay. It's kind of funny and odd, but depressing at the same time. Most of my relationships ended because of "OMG! PAGAN! BURN IN HELL!" when they find out about it and after that I just give them a lecture that Hell is Hel which is of Viking/Asatru faiths... And then walk away. I'm separated from a gay pagan who I love, but I have a feeling it's not going to work being as... He's a non practicing Pagan and is... Well against my belief system. I think it's funny I keep running into these men. Even when I was about to give up a fight with an infection I had... Not an STD btw, but an infection that moved to my lungs and still trying to get through it, when I shown signs of getting better he just... Stops talking romantically. So anyways. That's just babble.

    If there are ANY pagans out there or anyone with an open mind who would like to discuss Paganism or just religion in general... Hit me up or reply. This would be fun. =)


    I'm a pagan; Gardenian. Oddly enough I'm hispanic but I have lineaged roots, just finished my Duece three weeks ago.

    If he's pagan, it should be a +, not a - . Typically it's the Abrahamic religions (because of their missionary nature) that tend to be cold towards religious tolerance. If he's not a practicing Pagan, trust that he'll most likely return to it at a later time...that's one of the liberties we share. I know I've gone through some periods where I distance myself but I end up grounding myself and returning in the end.

    There are also those that take Wicca or Paganism as a mere topic of curiosity and look into it briefly and then move on to something else. Those are still seeking something, and it's best to let them find it on their own. Only you know what you are really looking for...

    Plus there's a hell (haha, Hel)of a lot more people out there if this one doesn't work out icon_rolleyes.gif

    Oh, and Nightwish rocks btw MP!!
  • Pheo

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    Jun 06, 2009 5:25 PM GMT
    mynyun said Interesting. Because when I started reading and learning and exploring paganism and mysticism and the like it seem paganism and homosexuality went hand and hand. It seemed that for every 4 pagans I met online 1 of them was gay. I guess that's not the case anymore.
    Well I'm pagan.
    And most other pagans, especially ones leaning toward wicca, don't believe in a Hell/Hel or Satan or things of that nature.


    I'm impressed... Hell and Hel. icon_eek.gif I guess I WAS wrong about gays and pagans. I know about 31 Pagans and 9 of them are gay that I know of. Even though I'm 22, I've been into Paganism for 14 years, studying the paranormal when I was even a christian AND... I worked at the Psychic Eye as a clerk making sales on occult items and gadgets. Most were pagan there... But they didn't understand the meaning between Hell and Hel.icon_eek.gif I am... In awe. I bow to you sir. lol
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    Jun 06, 2009 5:31 PM GMT
    Pheo saidI hardly find any pagans who are gay.



    WHAT!!!! That is absolutely shocking. Go to a pagan event. Any pagan event. The gay boys will outnumber the trees in the forest.

    It is summer time. That means pagan groups will have an event almost every weekend and that is a great opportunity for you to network with people, make friends, and possible find someone to date.

    And let's be frank, if you go and don't get laid at one of these events there is something fundamentally wrong with you or the group.

    Happy hunting.
  • Pheo

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    Jun 06, 2009 5:49 PM GMT
    LOL. The closest events to me were in Chicago. The rest of the groups around my area are from the Temple of the Goddess... Meaning Dianic Wiccans. *Shudder* You never want to go toe to toe with them... An all woman group and highly... Highly stuck up group. But the Pagan events I went to was empty sorta of the gay community. Even the ones in LA. Course... I'm mainly helping opening the circle in the rituals.
  • Anto

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    Jun 06, 2009 6:45 PM GMT
    Isn't 'Pagan' a really general term?
    Do people really believe in this sort of stuff or is it more just for fun?
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    Jun 06, 2009 6:50 PM GMT
    GuerrillaSodomite saidInteresting topic. A word of advice though. When our resident angry atheists descend upon your thread like the ravening hounds of the Wild Hunt, try not to let it get to you that much.icon_wink.gif


    I'd be far more worried about the religious nutcases. Just wondering, are many pagans also into D&D?
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    Jun 06, 2009 6:57 PM GMT
    Anto saidIsn't 'Pagan' a really general term?
    Do people really believe in this sort of stuff or is it more just for fun?


    It's a broad term that generally refers to any number of pre christian European religions. Some people dabble for fun, but for many others it's as significant and lifelong a devotion as any serious "mainstream" religion adherent's. My first boyfriend and his lesbian pals were all Wiccan and had their own circle. They considered themselves Pagans, but also considered those following Druidic, Shamanistic and any number of other systems equally Pagan and equally valid.
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    Jun 06, 2009 7:31 PM GMT
    Paganism is a term invented by Catholics. It was meant to cover any religion that was not according to their own form of mental brainwashing.
    The Wiccans had the most beautiful religion - For the good of all and to the harm of none - so let it be.. Which was their simple tenet.
    Their god was female - which enfuriated the macho religions.
    These were the witches who were burned and drowned adding up to about a million.
    There was not just one holocaust folks... we have plenty of them in history to boast about, even Columbus and his selling of 9 year indian girls as sex slaves around the world, adding up to about 100,000 - each for the price of a farm.

    God save us from the Christian pagans who murdered millions in the name of God and still do so today with their sick intolerance.
  • Sebastian18

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    Jun 06, 2009 7:33 PM GMT
    GuerrillaSodomite said
    Anto saidIsn't 'Pagan' a really general term?
    Do people really believe in this sort of stuff or is it more just for fun?


    It's a broad term that generally refers to any number of pre christian European religions. Some people dabble for fun, but for many others it's as significant and lifelong a devotion as any serious "mainstream" religion adherent's. My first boyfriend and his lesbian pals were all Wiccan and had their own circle. They considered themselves Pagans, but also considered those following Druidic, Shamanistic and any number of other systems equally Pagan and equally valid.


    Taking off from GS' definition, paganism technically refers to any number of non-Abrahamic belief systems and, as a general term, could refer to everything from animist belief systems, Buddhism, Hinduism, Shinto, etc. In its common parlance in the US and in Europe, typically individuals who identify as pagan are members of reconstructive or syncretic belief systems based on pre-Christian and/or early European religious traditions.

    To make things a little harrier, there's a further delineation between neo-pagans and reconstructionist beliefs. An example of the former would be adherents to Wicca and (arguably) neo-druidic groups; the latter would include individuals seeking to re-connect/recreate the religious traditions of early Europe/Levant such as members of Asatru/Theodism or members of Hellenismos.

    As far as I've been able to discern the neo-pagan movement arose in two major strands: first during the romantic nationalist movements of the 19th century and, roughly around the same time, with the combined publications of the Theosophical movements and the Golden Dawn. During the first "surge" there was a renewed interest in "folkism" and many individuals took up practicing devotions to the deities of their ancestors - we see this most markedly in Germany with the reemergence of Wotanism and like beliefs and in Britain with neo-Celticism and Druidry.

    The second "surge" would add a metaphysical bend to things and resulted in a more "magic(k)" based philosophy. In particular regards, Gerald Gardner created Wicca around the 1930's/'40s and, using the base materials from Margaret Murray's "witch-cult" hypothesis, LeLand's "Aradia", and his charter of initiation from Aleister Crowley, ended up publicly announcing Wicca in the 1950's as "the Worlds Oldest religion".

    Myself, like Czarodziej, am an initiate and adherent to the religious tradition of Thelema which grew out of the philosophy of Aleister Crowley. In many ways Thelema/O.T.O. can be said to be the "parent" of the modern neopagan movement, although I personally do not identify it as such with the exception that it is non-Abrahamic in origin. In one way its much more like Buddhism and Taoism in that it can be said to represent a spiritual philosophy and actively draws upon many sources (e.g. yoga, meditation, comparative religious studies, psychology, sciences, etc.) in order to generate a wider range of understanding the human experience. In addition, I'm also ordained clergy in Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica - the Gnostic Catholic Church.
  • Pheo

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    Jun 06, 2009 10:00 PM GMT
    The term Pagan is anything that isn't of the Abraham-based faiths. However that was created by the Catholics years ago. The term Pagan is Country or Nature Dweller. As for the DnD... Some of us are... I've admit I've played, but I was always a rogue.

    As for believing in things like this... Magick or magic, however you want to spell it... Is much like a prayer. Or even using stones, herbs, or other things to do healing. There are many many faiths that differentiate on these things. You just have to ask who believes in what.
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    Jun 06, 2009 10:08 PM GMT
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    GuerrillaSodomite said
    Anto saidIsn't 'Pagan' a really general term?
    Do people really believe in this sort of stuff or is it more just for fun?


    It's a broad term that generally refers to any number of pre christian European religions. Some people dabble for fun, but for many others it's as significant and lifelong a devotion as any serious "mainstream" religion adherent's. My first boyfriend and his lesbian pals were all Wiccan and had their own circle. They considered themselves Pagans, but also considered those following Druidic, Shamanistic and any number of other systems equally Pagan and equally valid.


    To make things a little harrier, there's a further delineation between neo-pagans and reconstructionist beliefs. An example of the former would be adherents to Wicca and (arguably) neo-druidic groups; the latter would include individuals seeking to re-connect/recreate the religious traditions of early Europe/Levant such as members of Asatru/Theodism or members of Hellenismos.


    Also important to note the "neo-" distinction. As earlier european religions were not exactly as blameless and as peaceful as they're made to look like now. They had human sacrifices and killed blameless people too (like 'changelings' for example, probably just poor introverted children). Celtic druids especially were notorious for conducting sacrifices. Same with norse mythology. The burning alive/burying alive of female slaves in funerals for example. There's a pattern y'see... wherever any sort of elite clergy arises in religions, it devolves into killing, sooner or later.

    Neopaganism in contrast seems more like nature worship and the more philosophical religions of the far east to me rather than their original counterparts. Sure they may use the same gods/goddesses and terminologies, but they're not actually the same anymore.
  • Pheo

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    Jun 06, 2009 10:18 PM GMT
    Sedative said
    Also important to note the "neo-" distinction. As earlier european religions were not exactly as blameless and as peaceful as they're made to look like now. They had human sacrifices and killed blameless people too (like 'changelings' for example, probably just poor introverted children). Celtic druids especially were notorious for conducting sacrifices. Same with norse mythology. The burning alive/burying alive of female slaves in funerals for example. There's a pattern y'see... wherever any sort of elite clergy arises in religions, it devolves into killing, sooner or later.

    Neopaganism in contrast seems more like nature worship and the more philosophical religions of the far east to me rather than their original counterparts. Sure they may use the same gods/goddesses and terminologies, but they're not actually the same anymore.


    And thus we get into reconstructional faiths icon_razz.gif