Impeach Cheney?

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    Nov 14, 2007 11:12 PM GMT
    I just received the following survey from my congressman...

    Surveying Your Views on Impeachment

    Which one of these four statements do you agree with about Vice President Cheney:

    >Vice President Cheney has abused his powers as Vice President which rise to the level of impeachable offenses under the Constitution, and he should be impeached and removed from office.

    >Vice President Cheney has abused his powers as Vice President which rise to the level of impeachable offenses under the Constitution, but he should not be impeached.

    >Vice President Cheney has abused his powers as Vice President, but the abuses are not serious enough to warrant impeachment under the Constitution.

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    Vice President Cheney has not abused his powers as Vice President.

    Regardless of whether or not you believe the Vice President should be impeached, do you think the Judiciary Committee should begin hearings to look at the evidence of possible impeachable offenses?

    >Yes, I think the Judiciary Committee should begin impeachment hearings.

    >No, I think impeachment hearings would be a waste of time and a distraction from more important issues Congress should address.

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    The results at 6:10pm eastern, 11/14

    Which one of these four statements do you agree with about Vice President Cheney:

    >Vice President Cheney has abused his powers as Vice President which rise to the level of impeachable offenses under the Constitution, and he should be impeached and removed from office.
    60.73%

    >Vice President Cheney has abused his powers as Vice President which rise to the level of impeachable offenses under the Constitution, but he should not be impeached.
    10.53%

    >Vice President Cheney has abused his powers as Vice President, but the abuses are not serious enough to warrant impeachment under the Constitution.
    8.91%

    >Vice President Cheney has not abused his powers as Vice President.
    19.84%


  • HndsmKansan

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    Nov 14, 2007 11:25 PM GMT
    Well I'll be the first to agree with that assessment,
    the SOB has abused his powers, probably to an extent we don't even know....

    However, I DO think an inpeachment process at this stage would take away from the processes that Congress desperately needs to be doing. I'd say, they should stay focused and do something, like overriding Bush's
    vetos.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Nov 14, 2007 11:27 PM GMT
    ....And Caslon, I'm assuming you have a democratic congressman in your district? What is your district made up of? Democrats % Republicans & Independents
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    Nov 15, 2007 2:36 AM GMT
    I second the question posed by the representative from Handsome, Kansas.

    ...or however it works. :-)
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    Nov 15, 2007 2:39 AM GMT
    As if that is going to happen lol...
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    Nov 15, 2007 3:17 AM GMT
    I would be shocked if more than a handful in DC did anything.

    The dems and reps alike would not bring charges because they don't want to reduce the powers of the executive office. People like Hillary don't want to attack and devalue the very office she seeks.
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    Nov 15, 2007 5:17 PM GMT
    I sincerely belive that Dick Cheney is the Anti-Christ
  • MikemikeMike

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    Nov 15, 2007 5:24 PM GMT
    this won't happen, but for those who hate him, maybe he might accidentally shoot himself this time??
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    Nov 15, 2007 5:34 PM GMT
    Please don't insult the AntiChrist like that.
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    Nov 16, 2007 2:02 AM GMT
    Yeah, show some respect.
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    Nov 16, 2007 2:44 AM GMT
    I think that what Cheney/Bush has done to this country by their war and all the crap that has gone with it, ie: !missleading the citizenry/congress to justify this god awful war 2 imprisoning captives, rendering them to unkown prisons, striping them of Habeus Corpus rights, 3 torturing prisoners, 4 enriching their corporate cronies with no-bid contracts worth billions of dollars (if it were us commoners it would be called conflicts of interest, and would lead to our employer fireing us immediately),5 Setting up a system where the likes of Blackwater were given immunity from prosecution, setting them up with a license to do basicly anything they wanted with impunity. 6 Setting aside the constitution, treaties, and Geneva conventions for their despotic purposes. There's plenty more !!! and yes they should be impeached, and I don't look at it as a waste of time at all !!! I look at it as the US doing the right thing and regaining some credibility in this small world we live on. We are now seen as the aggressors, and the actions of these two if anything have fed the terrorists just what they wanted for their recruitment efforts-a reason to join them in terrorist activities. I cannot think of one thing that these two haven't F----ed up !!! We owe it to our future, and to the Democrasy that we stand for to oust these two !!!! They purpetrated some real evils here on our planet and to our country !!! Their actions scream out for IMPEACHMENT !!!!
  • GQjock

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    Nov 16, 2007 4:24 AM GMT
    HK .... They Can't override any of Bush's vetoes the Dems don't have enough votes in the House or the Senate
    as far as getting anything done...with that kind of split in the chambers they ain't Getting much done anyhow

    If you Believe that Cheney and or Bush has perpetrated high crimes and misdemeanors we are duty bound to have them impeached - it's not a choice
  • SpartanJock

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    Nov 20, 2007 8:00 PM GMT
    I agree with GQ, we, or rather the HOR, are duty bound if we believe there have been high crimes and misdemeanors perpetrated, and the Senate to investigate and try the offender. (bad syntax, sorry).

    But then, we know the HOR is not duy bound to anything, or else there would have been questions raised years ago.
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    Nov 21, 2007 12:06 PM GMT
    I think too often we get tied up in 'what we think' and 'how we feel' rather than simply looking at the rule of law, aka, the Constitution. I don’t think Cheney is the only guilty party in among the highest tiers of government and feel with the amount of time left in this administration, and the effort that goes into impeachment, I'd rather spend my time identifying and assisting a good presidential candidate who has a long track record of following the Constitution and could actually turn-around the mess in Washington, and seeing the government get us out of this war and/or focus on issues that directly effect citizens lives.
  • hotversguy

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    Nov 22, 2007 12:53 PM GMT
    I wonder if either of them has read the Constitution.

    Then again, I wonder how many Americans have at all.
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    Nov 26, 2007 3:35 AM GMT
    original714, you make some good points about spending time backing a good candidate who will turn around Bush/Cheney infractions on the constitution. I have done a lot of reading of opinions by University Professors whose specialty is law regarding the Constitution, and from other Law professors who are extremely alarmed over what has been done going against the constitution, the world treaties, and Geneva Conventions, at the hands of Bush/Cheney. These professionals all seem to point out that it is extremely important to impeach because the impeachment is the begining process of reissueing the importance of the constitution, and therefore showing that the constitution still stands as the best working rule of law to govern by. If We let this pass, without rectifying the laws, back to strict adherence to the constitution etc. then the constitution failed !!! much of it will thereby be null, because those portions were voided by actions of Bush/Cheney, and there actions if not impeached were allowed to stand in the face of the contitution. Do you see the importance here of acting under the constitution to halt these actions of them two? Not only that, but these professionals point out frequently that for the sake of our example as a constitutional democrasy to the world, and to our future generations. If nothing is done about this, then the constitution failed to work, the seperation of powers failed to work, the Justice department failed to work !!! This issue is of much more importance than the average person realizes. if nothing is done, then history will record that the constitution failed. who gets the blame? Our Government is by the people, for the people, so basicly if we stand back and do nothing, we failed our future generations. At some point every infraction against the constitution will have to be addressed and the government restore those broken laws in some way, How will they do it? Will they have to acknowledge the breaking of the constitution to restate and restore the portions that were broken? Do you know how hard it is to get the Senate and Congress to retract, retrace, and rectify broken systems and rules of law once tramped on? Can you see the Senate and Congress making a law stating that Bush/Cheney, broke the constitution in this, that, and the other way, and we didn't do anything about it, but heretofore, no president in the future will be allowed to do thesse things. You see if nothing is done to punish for their not upholding and supporting the constitution, then where will it stop? how will the next President abuse his/her powers. not doing anything about it puts our country on very shaky ground for the future. Where if these two are impeached, the constitution has stood and worked, no more but deleteing some of the bullshit in the Patriot Act will have to be changed back to where we were pre Bush/ Cheney. I'm not the best Linguist, but I hope the reader can understand how major a constitutional crisis this is.
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    Nov 26, 2007 5:29 AM GMT
    i disagree with you original714, let me explain why. if nothing is done to the bush administration or any member therein, then the politicians will be further enamored to do anything they want in that sitting position. why have such a thing as the constitution if we allow it to be trampled and refuse to uphold it?

    it is well and good that we find a candidate worthy of office, but it is in my opinion a terrible mistake not to swiftly and decisively mete out justice. it is a sure thing that swift is not in the politician's dictionary but that should in no way stop us from bringing the arm of law into force.

    it is my opinion that Bush and Cheney should be held accountable for war crimes and crimes against humanity and tried in a world court, that they should also be held criminally liable for wanton disregard of US law. i further feel that every member of his administration is party to their crimes.
  • czkiwi

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    Nov 26, 2007 5:57 AM GMT
    During the 9/11 commision Bush and Cheney testified in secret, together rather than separate as requested by the commision and on the condition that what they said would never be released. I ask, how is this accountable? Do we really know what they are up to? Is what we know to be lies, only the tip of the iceberg? Uncover, investigate, begin impeachment, and elect a new President. Original714, I think we can handle both. In fact, impeachment proceedings, might awaken the masses and make voting for President more important than voting for American Idol!


    Make it happen...
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    Nov 26, 2007 7:11 AM GMT
    What we don't know can and is hurting us. Impeachment hearings will give power to Senatorial inquires that general requests for information cannot illicit from the White House due to Executive Privilege. We need to know what they were up to and impeachment is the way to get at the documents and testimony under oath. Plus, if it starts looking like someones going to spend time in jail, the rats will start talking...

    There really isn't any better use of the HOR and Senates time than impeachment proceedings. I want the checks and balances incorporated in the US Constitution. What we are experiencing is the exact reason they were put in place.

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    Nov 26, 2007 3:30 PM GMT
    Great points men !!! Now if we could just get these points all down and sent to The Committee on Impeachment, headed by Conyers of Michigan, and then to each and every Senator, and Congressman. Crazy idea you say !!!! No I don't think so !!!! These leaders need to know what the everyday inteligent citizen thinks, and speaking out helps them make good decisions. So lets all write our congressman !!!!
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    Nov 26, 2007 4:31 PM GMT
    If you are serious about sending a message to congress, here's a link with EVERY email address of every senator and representative. Pass it along to friends, and demand that our rights our respected by this administration and by the Congress itself
    http://www.webslingerz.com/jhoffman/congress-email.html

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    Nov 27, 2007 3:58 AM GMT
    Hey thanks growingmuscnyc !!! you've saved me some time on finding the addresses I needed !!! I hope quite a few do this !!!
  • SpartanJock

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    Nov 29, 2007 4:15 PM GMT
    I agree that impeachment proceedings are time well spent by the Senate. However, it will mostly likely not happen. Impeachment proceedings will inevitably make the Senate and House implicit in the past actions of the Administration, as they failed in their duty of oversight. Their lack of action will be seen as consent.
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    Nov 29, 2007 6:10 PM GMT
    Cheney isn't all that bad, and he'll be leaving the office. And he doesn't do more than what he's allowed by the system. It's the system that needs changed. We all take our liberty when it is available, right?
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    Dec 01, 2007 1:12 AM GMT
    The Democrats would be taking a really big chance. If they did investigate and he is innocent, they would be left looking like fools, or bigger fools than they already are.
    Vice President Cheney is doing a fine job and hasn't done anything wrong at all.