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  • Tigre87

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    Jun 07, 2009 3:41 AM GMT
    In a most gay relations most people refer a top or bottom, because of anal sex. I think that the positons for gay men is penis with penis or frot that many call this... I dont agree with anal and I think that is not a equal sex because our ass is not our sex, what is our sex is our penis. Most people think that all gays do anal sex, but I dont, some guys dont...and I think is not good do that and could be painful... I love masculinity and is the penis of man that is his genital not the ass. I dont agree of role of top or bottom... I believe in equal roles.icon_rolleyes.gif


    PS-IF YOU DONT AGREE WITH SAME IDEAS OR DONT HAVE NOTHING INTELIGENT TO SAY--->GO TO THE NEXT POST.
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    Jun 07, 2009 3:51 AM GMT


    Oh my....
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    Jun 07, 2009 4:00 AM GMT
    Without trying to dig up statistics, I don't think "most" are only top or only bottom.

    I practice equal roles by being versatile, ever heard of it?

    Perhaps the OP is "goy" and doesn't know it
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    Jun 07, 2009 4:00 AM GMT
    Is he talking about docking?
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    Jun 07, 2009 4:04 AM GMT
    my head was already hurting, but now i'm just irritated.
  • Tigre87

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    Jun 07, 2009 4:05 AM GMT
    jprichva saidDon't be so quick to make up your mind about things, Tigger.
    You're only 21.

    I never will change my mind...
  • silverfox

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    Jun 07, 2009 4:10 AM GMT
    Tigre87 said


    PS-IF YOU DONT AGREE WITH SAME IDEAS OR DONT HAVE NOTHING INTELIGENT TO SAY--->GO TO THE NEXT POST.


    Wow.....

    Let's put aside what your post is about for a sec.

    A forum, is a place that lends itself to discussion. Are you just looking just for affirmation? This probably isn't the best place for that. The guys in this forum are going to say what they think (hopefully respectfully) though they may not agree with you. That is how it is!

    If I was writing your thread, I might have approached it from the standpoint of "What do you think defines sex between a man and a man?"

    You would be able to express your opinion and maybe get other opinions.

    You seem so angry. This is a topic of sex which should be joyous. I hope you enjoy sex whatever form it takes for you.

    To some extent, I do agree with you,,,,,I just really think you could have approached this interesting topic better.




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    Jun 07, 2009 4:12 AM GMT
    Tigre87 said
    I never will change my mind...


    nor probably anyone else's
  • silverfox

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    Jun 07, 2009 4:14 AM GMT
    PS....for some strange reason I just got horny......icon_biggrin.gificon_biggrin.gificon_biggrin.gificon_biggrin.gificon_twisted.gificon_exclaim.gif
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    Jun 07, 2009 4:17 AM GMT
    So, do you have a docking fetish? If so, you only like uncircumcised men?

    You should learn your anatomy before making such uninformed opinions about men and sex between them.

    I am curious, why are you placing a value on tops versus bottoms? Why are they not equal? I can understand preference but I do not understand why they are not equal?

    I suspect there are some cultural stigmas that are influencing your opinion...
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    Jun 07, 2009 4:18 AM GMT
    Some people are just doomed to live a lonely life. What can I say? ... icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jun 07, 2009 4:22 AM GMT
    Caslon11000 saidSome people are just doomed to live a lonely life. What can I say? ... icon_rolleyes.gif


    He doesn't have to be lonely,
    there are lots(?) of g0ys just like him
    http://g0ys.org/
    I am not one of them
  • Tigre87

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    Jun 07, 2009 4:24 AM GMT
    Navy96 saidSo, do you have a docking fetish? If so, you only like uncircumcised men?

    You should learn your anatomy before making such uninformed opinions about men and sex between them.

    I am curious, why are you placing a value on tops versus bottoms? Why are they not equal? I can understand preference but I do not understand why they are not equal?

    I suspect there are some cultural stigmas that are influencing your opinion...


    I am here not to talk about my personal life... People can talk about sex without think in do it! understand?
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    Jun 07, 2009 4:43 AM GMT
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    Caslon11000 saidSome people are just doomed to live a lonely life. What can I say? ... icon_rolleyes.gif


    He doesn't have to be lonely, ...

    I can see Silverfox will never be lonely. He has his bicep ... icon_rolleyes.gif ... icon_lol.gif
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    Jun 07, 2009 4:50 AM GMT
    Tigre87 saidI am here not to talk about my personal life... funny pictures --->GO TO THE NEXT POST
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    Jun 07, 2009 5:09 AM GMT
    Tigre87 said


    I am here not to talk about my personal life... People can talk about sex without think in do it! understand?


    I was asking you to elaborate on your opinion not to discuss details of yolur personal life.
    As far as your statement/question: "People can talk about sex without think in do it! understand?" No, I do not understand. icon_rolleyes.gif

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    Jun 07, 2009 5:43 AM GMT
    Navy96 said As far as your statement/question: "People can talk about sex without think in do it! understand?" No, I do not understand. icon_rolleyes.gif

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    Realize he isnt writing in his native language. So we have to cut him some slack in the felicity of his expression...if you catch my drift. I am in awe of people who can do as well as he does in a foreign language. But that doesnt mean one has to agree with his statements.

    I am pretty sure he is saying "People can talk about sex without thinking to do it! ... meaning without actually doing the sex act they are discussing.
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    Jun 07, 2009 5:46 AM GMT
    Well I guess anal is not for everyone. My grandpappy always said to me... sonny, that is why they make chocolate and vanilla ice cream. So everyone gets a choice.

    I am sure he wasn't referring to anal sex with that statement though....hmmmmmm or was he??? icon_eek.gif

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  • rockleetpt

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    Jun 07, 2009 11:59 AM GMT
    In a most gay relations most people refer a top or bottom, because of anal sex.

    While I agree with your sentence, anal sex is very popular, but you put it like it's somehow wrong and you don't respect other's people's preferences.

    I think that the positons for gay men is penis with penis or frot that many call this...

    What? I kinda not understood what you said just there. Yes I'm aware my English is not the best too. But please, think you can do better than that?


    I dont agree with anal and I think that is not a equal sex because our ass is not our sex, what is our sex is our penis.

    If you don't agree it's one thing but making it sound like it's bad it's downright disrespectfull and I don't quite get your logic. Ass is not my "sex" but it sure is an "erogenous zone", and well.. sexual exploration comes in finding, exploring and enjoying erogenous zones that we like the most. In my opinion it would be pretty dull thinking the penis as a the only "sex" we have. Explore your body, you'll be amazed, before shunning other people's practices that have nothing to do with you.

    Most people think that all gays do anal sex, but I dont, some guys dont...

    You sure want to make your point that somehow anal sex is wrong. I'm actually surprised you didn't mentioned hell/God/wtv. Yes some guys don't do it, I respect that and for some selfrighteous feelings you don't respect others perspective.

    and I think is not good do that and could be painful...

    Good is REALLY REALLY relative, are you that close minded?
    Also, pain and pleasure are two sides of the same coin and it goes beyond that, sometimes the concepts kinda blur into each other. Again, you'll be amazed if you explore more anatomy and your own body.


    I love masculinity and is the penis of man that is his genital not the ass. I dont agree of role of top or bottom... I believe in equal roles.

    You're assumptions are wrong, old-fashioned, conservative and closed-minded. I'm not going to beat a dead horse for that.

    PS-IF YOU DONT AGREE WITH SAME IDEAS OR DONT HAVE NOTHING INTELIGENT TO SAY--->GO TO THE NEXT POST.

    Wow, I'm actually surprised, I was thinking you were going to apoligize yourself for your written english skills and you leave with that.

    Dude, as soon as you clicked on "Post" you are responsible to face people that don't agree with you. Bare with the consequences, don't be a coward, don't look for affirmation (specially on these foruns), don't cherry pick opinions.

    You are gravely imature regarding stereotypes, you are stigmatized, I know, I live in Portugal too. I see all over the place sex is wrong, homossexuals are peverted, everyone's complaining how men are rapist and women rule with their percieved purity. I want to get out of here as soon as I can I can't be happy here (I know I'm only perpetuating things by leaving here) I know social acceptance is only possible through social deviance but has an intelligent gay man I am I really need to go somewhere else or else I'll go nuts! Tigre is just a sample how stigmatized people are here and me coming to realjock made me realize how inteligent and open minding a gay community can really get.

    And I've had it enough of this guy, this will be my last time unless he directs something to me, because surely I'm not going to change his mind nor his perspective. He'll drown in a lonely but self righteous love life in which he will be a victim of his own twisted ideals, unless of course he'll get a chance at maturing himself up.

    Over and out!
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    Jun 07, 2009 1:13 PM GMT
    Tigre87 said
    jprichva saidDon't be so quick to make up your mind about things, Tigger.
    You're only 21.

    I never will change my mind...

    young man = won't change his mind
    mature man = willing to change his mind
    old man - can't change his mind

    Dear Tigre: When I came out late, my gay mentor told me all about anal sex. I thought it was a rather unpleasant concept, but adored oral and handjobs, 2 things I still love today and do rather well.

    Then I dated some guys who were bottoms, and I learned to accommodate them to please, and then to like being a top. My objections to anal ceased; I had changed my mind, though it took a few years.

    Then I decided to try being a bottom myself, and I liked that, too. Not as much as being a top, since I don't have a prostate that gives me pleasure, and worse, sometimes even pain. But it was another sexual thing I could do with a man.

    One of my favorite things is to straddle a man at the waist facing him, while he lies on his back. I hold our 2 hardons lengthwise against each other, and jerk us off together with lube between my interlocked hands. But because I am very large, this only works well with a man who is as big as me. It fails with a man with a small penis.

    I also like to "dock" my dick with another, but I am cut myself so I am dependent upon finding another man with the right "qualifications" of foreskin and large size. Point is, I love dick play as much as you, and doing anal doesn't mean you can't do other things, though I know there are some men who are very limited in their sexual interests.

    Like you, I believe in equal roles. But you don't always have to be equal simultaneously; you can take turns, and do different things to each other. I can top him, and then he gives me a blow job, and I think that is "equal."

    What is not equal is when one man only receives, and gives nothing in return, as some straight men do with gay men. I will not do that.

    But the nature of the sex act does not, to me, determine equality, as it appears to seem in your mind. Equality is a matter of sharing fairly, not matching act-for-act. And unlike some Europeans, most US gays do not assign values to being top versus bottom. It is merely what feels good to you, what pleases you best. And when both men agree to that, I think that is being very equal.
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    Jun 07, 2009 3:28 PM GMT
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    Caslon11000 saidSome people are just doomed to live a lonely life. What can I say? ... icon_rolleyes.gif


    He doesn't have to be lonely,
    there are lots(?) of g0ys just like him
    http://g0ys.org/
    I am not one of them


    That site is deeply disturbing. The level of self-hatred, misogyny, and an assortment of other pathologies is scary.
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    Jun 07, 2009 4:37 PM GMT
    Christian73 saidThat [g0y] site is deeply disturbing. The level of self-hatred, misogyny, and an assortment of other pathologies is scary.

    Well I certainly disagree with many of its statements. One is that straights hate gays because they focus on us having anal sex, which is repugnant to many of them, and a big stumbling block to gay acceptance by them.

    Problem with that theory is that many straights are also repelled by men having oral sex together, too, and even kissing on the lips, and dancing together, and so on. So what does that leave us with? Live together but don't touch?

    As I wrote above, I didn't do anal when I first came out, but pretty much everything else. I didn't consider myself less of a gay man. Now I do it occasionally, still not a big part of my sex life, where oral is still my favorite. And I know gay men who don't like or do anal at all, and not for g0y reasons, just personal preference, or sometimes concerns about HIV.

    Seems like we're picking up a lot of cultural baggage here, and to me it's much simpler: what do YOU like to do sexually? My gayness isn't defined by the nature of the sex act itself, but by my fundamental attraction to men, rather than to women. All the rest is just details.
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    Jun 07, 2009 5:16 PM GMT
    I found the g0y site very interesting. I am bi and do not hate gay guys for any type of sex they indulge in.....I found the whole g0y site more in line with my sexual history.

    I have never felt completely comfortable with the gay lifestyle. I dont do the bars or prode events or anything close to that even tho I have no problem withit, its just me. This link explained a lot of things that i have felt inthe past and I found some of it to be very exciting and useful.

    Never heard of g0y until today.
  • Pheo

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    Jun 07, 2009 7:02 PM GMT
    Penis to penis isn't everything. Anal sex is great because we have a little thing called a g-spot up in there. I thought I would hate it, now I love it. Yes, it's painful IF the guy your with isn't gentle. Ramming it in is bad sex. Though I enjoy pain... If they ram it home... It's not going to be pretty.
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    Jun 07, 2009 7:24 PM GMT
    Pheo saidAnal sex is great because we have a little thing called a g-spot up in there.

    Great for those who have that spot, and bless them. I happen to be one who doesn't. But I'll still be a bottom to please a guy I like, and can get hard just from the psychological excitement of knowing he's fucking me and enjoying it. And when he's done we'll go on to something more physically stimulating for me.

    To return to the OP's contention, I do think those are equal roles. I would only find it unequal if he fucked me and then left me there with a pair of unemptied balls that ached worse than my ass. As far as I'm concerned, to both get off is to be equal. Whether you do it in the identical way, or differently, simultaneously or separately, really doesn't seem important to me.