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  • Pheo

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    Jun 08, 2009 1:07 AM GMT
    What are your thoughts on spirits and mediums? Have any of you had any experiences with them?
  • Timbales

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    Jun 08, 2009 1:43 AM GMT
    I had my palm read once, it was total bullshit. I had my aura photographed, it was really pretty.
  • Pheo

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    Jun 08, 2009 1:56 AM GMT
    Timberoo saidI had my palm read once, it was total bullshit. I had my aura photographed, it was really pretty.


    Hahaha... They probably went by "You're going to live a long life" and that jazz huh? But I mean mediums in the sense of talking to and seeing the dead. I personally think we all have this ability, just we can't do it at will. Working with psychics for a year... Changed my perspective on it. lol I thought they were bullshit when I started... Came out with a different view point when one of my co-workers started to commune with my grandmother which I told no one about.
  • calibro

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    Jun 08, 2009 2:36 AM GMT
    some bottles of home brewed spirits and medium to well-done burgers are great in my opinion
  • Sebastian18

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    Jun 08, 2009 3:00 AM GMT
    On Spirits: Whether or not they exist in any objective form, their existence is incidental to ours so it's really not worth the effort bothering with.

    On Mediums: Roughly 75% of advertised mediums are hoaxes, 20% are well-meaning but delusional, and 5% genuine. If a person claims to be a medium, demand a demonstration with full knowledge of controls and variables.

    Now, if we're talking about spirits in the sense of the vital essence of departed humans - revenants - I couldn't really comment on much other than my belief (or lack thereof) in a personal soul which would imply a form of eternalism at odds with the impermanent nature of reality.

    I do think it possible, though unlikely, that some aspect of an individual may remain in static space for a time after the death of an individual, however that essence would be lacking in mental continuum and could be viewed as little more than an etheric recording in space. This "recording" could possibly be picked up by individuals with either natural or trained sensitivity to vibrational frequencies.

    Holding a seance for dear Auntie Em and having her appear would be a greater testament to the creativity of human consciousness and shared meaning than anything necessarily supernatural. However, if you get something out of it and become a better person for it - by all means go ahead and experiment.
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    Jun 08, 2009 3:17 AM GMT
    A few months back one morning I was on my way to my sisters house. I saw a sign that said two mediums for the price of one. Took me a few to realize it was a pizza place. LOL Is it sad that it actually happened?

    Several years ago I saw a psychic here in Austin. It was actually a birthday present to myself in 2005. I won't get into the why I went but it was very enlightening. He records the sessions and gives you the tapes (which I still have) so you can go back and review them. I did a Life Reading session lasted about two hours. I figured if I am going to do it I might as well go all the way. He had told me that it can be intense and a first timer needs to understand that. I told him it would be okay.

    I make it a point to not give any answers and watch for leading questions. He proved very quickly that he didn't need to do that and most of what he said was spot on.

    Here is his website: http://www.joenicols.com/consultations.html

    He was the second one that told me that I have tremendous psychic potential but afraid to use it. Which was absolutely true at that time. I have thought about going to see him again.

    Another time I had a tarot card reading in San Antonio when I still lived there and about to move out to California which would have been in 1999. This guy I was kind of seeing took me. The guy used three decks and the only thing I really remember is without telling him about my move he told me that I was moving far away and to make sure I checked my car. Well I did check my car and I absolutely would have been stranded somewhere on the drive from San Antonio to San Fransisco.
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    Jun 08, 2009 4:15 AM GMT
    jprichva saidI went to a psychic with my (female) friend Jackie. She told us we would marry and have 4 children. We laughed so hard I tipped her extra.
    Maybe her crystal ball was picking up episodes of jerry springer icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jun 08, 2009 4:54 AM GMT
    I don't really believe there's any afterlife, so not much stock in either spirits or mediums. There are the odd cases where some people have an eerie insight into another persons life, but I don't know that that has anything to do with the dearly departed.

    One of my friends believes in all this quite fervently, and is sure an online connection was foretold to him by a palm reader -- apparently some of the aspects of it were quite accurate, but she (the reader) could not ascertain that he was gay, and thought the online interest would be female, which to me throws the whole things into question, but that's me who's overall a cynic.
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    Jun 08, 2009 4:59 AM GMT
    I am a ghost hunter here in GA. I do believe in the paranormal.
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    Jun 08, 2009 5:04 AM GMT
    i've had numerous encounters with quan yin, ganesh, and apollo. and have met some spiritual guides. and did a past life reading
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    Jun 08, 2009 10:37 AM GMT
    Mmmm... icon_razz.gif

    My mom dragged me to a reading once when I was still in high school. She was a family friend and a university teacher. They were talking outside and mom just pulled me and put my hand in her lap. She told me two things:

    "A girl will court me" (which happened a year later in college)
    "You will never be rich" (Oh hey, thanks... wait... what?! LOL)

    Also during the spiritual retreat pre-graduation, one of the senior students had this "possession" thing going on during a game downstairs in the hostel the school group were staying on. It was... funny. LOL

    Looked more like a panic attack to me. Everyone was praying and shit and some of the girls were crying, crazy stuff.

    That said, no, I don't believe in the supernatural... at all.
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    Jun 08, 2009 12:15 PM GMT
    calibro saidsome bottles of home brewed spirits and medium to well-done burgers are great in my opinion


    I would say ... I like strong spirits... medium isn't quite sufficient enough.
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    Jun 08, 2009 12:28 PM GMT
    sprinkle sea salt on your window ledge. prevents spirits from entering your house. Do the same from your door jam. Red crushed brick can also protect you. I believe in spirits as my family is from a voodoo / Kumina background.
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    Jun 08, 2009 1:06 PM GMT
    tereseus1 saidsprinkle sea salt on your window ledge. prevents spirits from entering your house. Do the same from your door jam. Red crushed brick can also protect you. I believe in spirits as my family is from a voodoo / Kumina background.


    can you put the juju on someone for me?
  • Pheo

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    Jun 08, 2009 6:22 PM GMT
    jackofhearts46 saidi've had numerous encounters with quan yin, ganesh, and apollo. and have met some spiritual guides. and did a past life reading


    Ganesh... That's a name I haven't heard of in a while. How many encounters did you say?
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    Jun 08, 2009 6:31 PM GMT
    Wheeeeeeeeeee!
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    Jun 08, 2009 7:03 PM GMT
    LMAO, first thing that came to mind when i read this thread is the movie 'Ghost' when Whoopi Goldburg gets possessed by a black man and tries to talk shit to his living wife lol

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    Jun 08, 2009 8:32 PM GMT
    jprichva saidI went to a psychic with my (female) friend Jackie. She told us we would marry and have 4 children. We laughed so hard I tipped her extra.

    I know a process server who works for lawyers who do collection suits. The phone co. was suing businesses for nonpayment of yellow pages listings. He got to the "P" section and had to serve some psychics. He'd approach them and say "I have something for you and I bet you can't guess what this is." None "saw" that they were being sued.
    Their spirit guides must not have been paid either.
  • Pheo

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    Jun 08, 2009 8:41 PM GMT
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    jprichva saidI went to a psychic with my (female) friend Jackie. She told us we would marry and have 4 children. We laughed so hard I tipped her extra.

    I know a process server who works for lawyers who do collection suits. The phone co. was suing businesses for nonpayment of yellow pages listings. He got to the "P" section and had to serve some psychics. He'd approach them and say "I have something for you and I bet you can't guess what this is." None "saw" that they were being sued.
    Their spirit guides must not have been paid either.


    LMAO! Most won't see that. Usually doesn't work that way. I haven't met one nor do I claim to be one that knows all and sees all, but that's just funny right there.
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    Jun 08, 2009 11:11 PM GMT
    Sebastian18“Now, if we're talking about spirits in the sense of the vital essence of departed humans - revenant s - I couldn't really comment on much other than my belief (or lack thereof) in a personal soul which would imply a form of eternalism at odds with the impermanent nature of reality.”

    NICELY put!

    ”I do think it possible, though unlikely, that some aspect of an individual may remain in static space for a time after the death of an individual, however that essence would be lacking in mental continuum and could be viewed as little more than an etheric recording in space. This "recording" could possibly be picked up by individuals with either natural or trained sensitivity to vibrational frequencies.”

    But does the intensity of the etheric recording diminish with time? Is it possible that it would be sustained, or maybe even influenced, by the thoughts and feelings of the living? You say it lacks in mental continuum. Then what motivates its actions (in the case of a haunting, or if there is a relevant message from beyond the grave?) If the person is no longer involved in full thinking processes, then does the ghost of the person participate in the ghost of a thinking process – something hollow and surreal, a mimicry of what that person would have most likely done in life, in that situation, like the echo of a personality acting itself out into . . . nothing?

    ”Holding a seance for dear Auntie Em and having her appear would be a greater testament to the creativity of human consciousness and shared meaning than anything necessarily supernatural. However, if you get something out of it and become a better person for it - by all means go ahead and experiment.”


    I’d rather people did not. Product of human creativity or not, everything that comes out of these doors does leave an unnatural footprint in the natural world. But hey . . . live and let live.

  • Pheo

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    Jun 09, 2009 12:08 AM GMT
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    I’d rather people did not. Product of human creativity or not, everything that comes out of these doors does leave an unnatural footprint in the natural world. But hey . . . live and let live.



    People never close the corners after communing with the dead. Dragon's Blood incense and obsidian on your window ledge, OR bay leaves in the corners of the house... It keeps them out. Or just light a basic white candle. The supernatural is natural. The reason why it's called supernatural is that it extends beyond nature at this point and time and we don't know everything about it.
  • Sebastian18

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    Jun 09, 2009 5:04 AM GMT
    [quote][cite]But does the intensity of the etheric recording diminish with time? Is it possible that it would be sustained, or maybe even influenced, by the thoughts and feelings of the living? You say it lacks in mental continuum. Then what motivates its actions (in the case of a haunting, or if there is a relevant message from beyond the grave?) If the person is no longer involved in full thinking processes, then does the ghost of the person participate in the ghost of a thinking process – something hollow and surreal, a mimicry of what that person would have most likely done in life, in that situation, like the echo of a personality acting itself out into . . . nothing?


    I’d rather people did not. Product of human creativity or not, everything that comes out of these doors does leave an unnatural footprint in the natural world. But hey . . . live and let live.

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    It would stand to reason that the intensity would diminish over time unless somehow sustained, however I'm entirely uncertain as to how it would sustain itself given its indeterminate half-life (pun intended). Perhaps, being "fed" by human or other interaction the etheric shell could start acting over time in much the same way as an intelligent computer, though it would be lacking in any sentience of its own.

    It's my belief, though, that once dead the individual is dead and the components that put it together are eventually redistributed throughout the cosmos in one way shape or form in much the same way organic material breaks down even to a molecular level and is ultimately resorted. No need for a modus operandi when everything is put somewhere else.

    Personally, I think it would be a great benefit if interested parties would experiment with aspects of the metaphysical realm, both in theory and in practice. At some point we may actually end up finding something out or realize that we've been chasing our tails around in circles for the past couple thousand years. Either way, there's only increase in knowledge which can never be a bad thing since entropy seems to be law in our universe as we know it.
  • Delivis

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    Jun 09, 2009 5:04 AM GMT
    I do not believe in any spirits or mediums or anything typically labelled as "paranormal". Simply no good evidence for such extraordinary claims.
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    Jun 09, 2009 5:05 AM GMT
    Delivis saidI do not believe in any spirits or mediums or anything typically labelled as "paranormal". Simply no good evidence for such extraordinary claims.


    you need to experience it for yourself. Seriously icon_exclaim.gif
  • Delivis

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    Jun 09, 2009 5:15 AM GMT
    adaminmarietta said
    Delivis saidI do not believe in any spirits or mediums or anything typically labelled as "paranormal". Simply no good evidence for such extraordinary claims.


    you need to experience it for yourself. Seriously icon_exclaim.gif


    Experience what, exactly?

    I have met many people who claim to be able to channel spirits and talk to ghosts and claim to cure anything by waving crystals over someone. Most of these people, as far as I can tell, are genuine believers, not charletains (though there are some of those out there too). But none have ever been able to produce for me anything approaching good evidence. The best evidence anyone in this area ever offers is some anecdotes.