The "queer" synonym or alternative?

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    Nov 16, 2007 3:59 AM GMT
    I am kinda bored so I am posting this, but it is also a semi-serious question.

    I think the gayz need a new word. LoL. LGBT community is annoying to say, and gay is not encompassing. Queer is a good word, but some people don't like it and others think it just means freak/different.

    Anyone have any new words that could be used for gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, queer, asexual, intersexual people? The alphabet soup is getting annoying.

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    Nov 16, 2007 4:17 AM GMT
    g0y?
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    Nov 16, 2007 4:22 AM GMT
    Deviant is sexier!
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    Nov 16, 2007 4:31 AM GMT
    We could return to "Uranians," although I think it only applied to men.

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  • HndsmKansan

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    Nov 16, 2007 4:35 AM GMT
    I don't like "Uranians", sounds like we are from the planet Uranus. I'm not sure what to offer. I just hate the term "queer". Sounds like a freak or something and I immediately feel the need to take some sort of physical action against the person who says it.
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    Nov 16, 2007 4:41 AM GMT
    I like the word queer but a lot of people see it as being negative. Hence why now is the time we start a new word revolution lol. I am so weird, the end.
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    Nov 16, 2007 4:42 AM GMT
    "Uranus" makes me want to take physical action against someone.

    I like "queer," because I like being an outlaw. Hedwig liked "freaks." Of course this song was eliminated from the movie, being too outre for conventional homos' taste, but it expresses the virtue of radical difference:


    We are freaks we follow the code of freaks
    We are freaks stand back and that's that
    We are freaks we fuck who we please and do what we choose
    We're not bad we're not diseased or confused

    We are freaks we are butch we are fem
    We are freaks look at him look at them
    We are freaks I know this guy who can suck his own dick
    And my mother has a friend who has 3 tits
    T-t-t-true story

    We are freaks we follow the code of freaks
    We are freaks stand back and that's that
    We are freaks we fuck who we please and do what we choose
    We're not bad we're not diseased or confused
    One of us one of us
    One of us one of us
    One of us one of us
    One of us one of us
    One of us one of us
    One of us one of us
    One of us one of us
    One of us one of us
    One of us one of us
    One of us one of us
    One of us one of us
    One of us one of us

    And then I thought I was a freak when I shaved my head and pierced my dick
    Walks like a lumberjack and talks like a lady
    With the flannel shirt, steel toe boots, Levi's faded
    All hail
    She's the king, she's the queen
    All hail of the freaks, all the freaks on the scene
    From the Bows of the Bowery to the bustle of Bombay
    She's the bearded lady of Avenue A
    That's the way God planned it
    That's the way
    That's the way God planned it
    That's the way
    That's the way God planned it
    That's the way
    That's the way God planned it
    That the way

    All hail
    She's the king, she's the queen
    All hail of the freaks, all the freaks on the scene
    From the Bows of the Bowery to the bustle of Bombay
    She's the bearded lady of Avenue A
    That's the way God planned it
    That's the way
    That's the way God planned it
    That's the way
    That's the way God planned it
    That's the way
    That's the way God planned it
    That the way
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    Nov 16, 2007 4:51 AM GMT
    I always insisted to my wife that people were either "gay, straight or enlightened."
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  • EricLA

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    Nov 16, 2007 4:52 AM GMT
    Back in the early 90s, when I was part of GALA, UCLA's Gay and Lesbian Alliance, we decided we wanted to change the name to be more bi-, trans-, and multiculturally inclusive. So, we had our members submit potential names. My favorite, submitted by a straight male ally, was FOOF - Flowers Of One Field. It still cracks me up all these years later. Alas, if a questioning student was coming out I don't think they would have looked for FOOF in the campus directory.
  • MarkX

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    Nov 16, 2007 7:11 AM GMT
    How do these terms get coined??

    Queer: odd, different, with off-putting (vaguely disturbing) overtones

    Gay: happy, with the suggestion of being frivolous and perhaps feminine

    Fag: I read somewhere that homosexuals were used as 'faggots' or kindling at the feet of condemned witches - I'm dubious of the accuracy of that tidbit, but it puts the distate into a historical perspective. It's probably the one derogaroty term we haven't claimed and positively empowered.

    Deviant: simply, different fromt eh norm, but with immoral overtones

    Uranian: Well, we're not FROM Uranus, but it's in the right ballpark.


    I'm a big fan of "homoamorous" but it's such a mouthful.
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    Nov 16, 2007 12:10 PM GMT
    MarkXI'm a big fan of "homoamorous" but it's such a mouthful.


    And it sits well on the tongue. It's sort of perfect.

    A bear I was tracking once called me a furvert. Which I later discovered is something else entirely, but it was a lovely word in the meantime.
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    Nov 16, 2007 1:37 PM GMT
    Superior.
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    Nov 16, 2007 1:40 PM GMT
    I'm with McGay:
    "superior"
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    Nov 16, 2007 1:43 PM GMT
    lol gay supremacists, haha we sure have come a long way.
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    Nov 16, 2007 1:58 PM GMT
    If it aint broke... dont fix it!

    I use 'mo a lot a la Karen from Will and Grace. And i use faggot a lot.
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    Nov 16, 2007 2:16 PM GMT
    @obscenewish... YOU ROCK!

    I'm fine with gay... means "happy," doesn't it?
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    Nov 16, 2007 2:40 PM GMT
    "Superior"

    DITTO!
  • ep83

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    Nov 16, 2007 4:59 PM GMT
    I don't really see how necessary or productive it is to try to label people. Sure, it can be useful as a shorthand, but anything more tends to oversimplify. Look at how many different groups you listed, hippie. Can you really come up with a single word or phrase that can encompass all of the differences between them, let alone within them? I may be gay, but I view that as only incidental to who I am as a person. I've often found that when people, including gay people, use those labels, they tend to portray it as the most important, defining feature of a person. Every person is an individual, why try to shove them into a conceptual box?
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    Nov 16, 2007 5:07 PM GMT
    My class and I talked today about this issue ( My playreading group of senior citizens) - very interesting perspectives from a geeration in their 70s, all of whom know I am gay (I am quite comfortable with referencing it just as much as I would have referenced my "straight" partners.

    They were unanimous in deploring the term "queer" as perjorative, but they granted the difficulty in finding an inclusive term, noting even the term homosexual is male-biased from the Greek "homo"

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    Nov 16, 2007 5:16 PM GMT
    Divine sang:

    "A crab on Uranus means that you're loved"
  • ep83

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    Nov 16, 2007 5:20 PM GMT
    Actually the Greek word "homo" from which homosexual derives means "same." It is the Latin "homo" that means "man" in the sense of "person" ("vir" is the proper word for "man" as in a male). But I definitely agree with you, Firecat. "Queer" is a term loaded with negatives that I will never use.
  • SpartanJock

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    Nov 16, 2007 5:31 PM GMT
    Faggots were used to start bonfires, including those for burning witches. However, they were small pieces of wood that could serve no other purpose (i.e., burned too quickly to provide much heat). Most likely equivalent to 'kindling'.

    Hence, faggot (person) = faggot (kindling). Not worth much, and expendable.

    I also don't think there is a good term that could encompass the various sub-groups within this community, other than maybe Human icon_biggrin.gif
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    Nov 16, 2007 5:33 PM GMT
    Help me out guys. What's wrong with "homo"?

    [edit] Just re-read the OP. Maybe homo could still work, as in every instance there's an element of same-sex action goin' on.

    I think.
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    Nov 16, 2007 5:52 PM GMT
    I like the word Queer for myself. But I don't think it necessarily encompasses the entire LGBT community, and I think it also could include some straights, at least the way I define it. For me Queer symbolizes those who see problems with and question the institutions and dominant structures of society as opposed to those who merely seek access to them.
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    Nov 16, 2007 5:58 PM GMT
    Ultimately I have to agree with ep. I am hardly defined by my sexuality beyond how it has affected my socialization.
    I met a guy once who first of all challenged me that I had characterized myself as a "bottom" saying quite firmly "You are a top. Or at least you can PASS [emphasis is mine]"

    I was astonished and was distracted the whole time thinking about all the implications of what he was saying and getting more and more depressed as though to be gay was actually to be somehow effeminate by nature and that not having that affect was mere conditioned facade?

    I have a baritone "radio" voice. I played romantic leads and character roles but never played effeminate "gay" perhaps because on some level I always considered that utter affectation and rejected that as a superficial and false characterization of most gay men. I wondered with a guy on a coffee date about the lisping characteristic and he agreed that was likely affectation - YET as we talked and relaxed a lisp that he had clearly been suppressing crept back into his voice.