The Truth About Abs

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    Nov 16, 2007 6:03 AM GMT
    Hey guys..

    I have been told several contradictory things about Abs and I was just looking for the real deal, because I devote a lot of gym time to my abs.

    1. You can workout your abs everyday and gain size and definition.

    2. You should rest at least a day like the other muscles.

    3. Abs cannot be built or toned, and its all about your weight and genetics. If you want abs just keep thin and if you naturally have visible ones they will show.

    Whats the truth?

    Thanks so much... icon_redface.gif
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    Nov 16, 2007 9:36 AM GMT
    i can't ever get guys with major abs to tell me how they get them so i am guessing they are posting model pictures. I do know from working on mine that getting down to 9% body fat won't do it. Also i'll never have washboards abs because i'm not symmetrical to begin with . I wanna know if i should do tons of reps or low reps with a a lot of weight.
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    Nov 16, 2007 10:59 AM GMT
    1. Workout every day and gain size, but, probably not definition, other than fat reduction, just by burning calories. Definition has nothing to do with working out the muscle, for the most part. That's mostly a function of body fat levels.

    2. Maybe, maybe not. But, to over-develop your abs seems stupid. Abs, arms, forearms, calves...recover fast. Do em' everyday if you want but, it's not going to help with visible abs as much as just burn calories, and there are other more effective ways to effect caloric burn.

    3. Complete and utter bullshit. Some folks have fewer muscle groups, or more groups, in their ab region, but that's all genes. Visceral fat has a lot to do with visibility. Study that here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visceral_fat If you look at the picture of me in my light blue shorts in my profile, about 7 weeks from a show, you'll see I have thick, heavily, developed abs from decades of training and heavy lifting. Whoever is telling you this crap needs to be hand slapped a couple of time for being a moron. This year... I backed way off my ab training and my lines were remarkably improved. I let my abs get weaker, and smaller (the picture in the darker almost purple shorts). Somebody tells you that crap, tell them they are the idiot that they are. Anyone with have a head knows better.

    Google on "getting abs", read articles here, or go to bodybuilding.com. Then, put your thinking hat on and think this through. At some point, common sense will prevail.

    Ab visibility is a function of body fat levels.

    Ab development is just that, a function of development, whether or not they are visible is contingent to fat levels. Again, common sense at work.

    To much ab development will ruin your lines. Most folks would be idiots to work abs on a daily basis. Unless you need to be able to squat 700 or leg press 1400, you probably don't need your core that well developed, and would do well to pursue a more balanced training regimen.

    Developing lean muscle mass, particularly in your legs, burns calories at rest, which keeps you leaner, which makes your abs more visible. Again, common sense 101.

    This really gets down to studying the human machine, and then applying common sense to its function and appearance.

    Anorexic guys have "abs" but look and are ill. Good overall development is more important.

    Whether you do high reps or low reps, again, in inconsequential, for the most part, with regard to visibility. In your case, an overall development program would like be more in order, although you've neglected profile completion, so it's hard to really even to a guessimate.

    THINK. Who has the best lines? Gymnasts? Bodybuilders? Look at how they do abs. Think on it. Watch. Likely, you'll find they don't do tons of ab work, but rather they do things for the appearance. Simple things like leg lifts, crunches, and they stay lean. Maybe some twisting core movement for trans vs, obliques, and the like.
  • GQjock

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    Nov 16, 2007 11:54 AM GMT
    Chucky stud gave you the advice that you need
    ... boiled down it's this

    Yeah...abs can definitely be worked more than other muscle groups but that's not gonna get you defined abs
    ...to do that you're going to have to get the BF% down
    this is where genetics comes into play
    guys with lower subcutaneous fat (Fat right below the skin) have an advantage over guys who don't
    That doesn't mean that anyone can't have defined abs tho

    If you're putting a huge amt of gym time to abs you might wanna rethink that and try to lean down a bit more
    worth a shot
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    Nov 16, 2007 12:44 PM GMT
    Abs exercises are tedious beyond belief.
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    Nov 16, 2007 1:38 PM GMT
    I'm inclined to think abs are the only conpensation for being an ectomorph (although I've added a bit of fat there in the last couple of years. Prior to that My abs were just there as part of my running and situps but since my stroke my situp dform is terrible (I "collapse" on the left side as I rise and I hurt my lower back.
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    Nov 16, 2007 5:54 PM GMT
    RedheadguyAbs exercises are tedious beyond belief.


    Yes. Perhaps it's no coincidence that abs (and perhaps lats) are about the only muscles that benefit from the drudgery of growing up doing farm work. Of course, whether they're visible depends on all of the above stuff.

    BTW: If anyone wants to attend Mindgardens Discount Xmas Break Abs & Lats Clinic... bring your work boots and gloves. (I got the idea from Tom Sawyer.)
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    Nov 16, 2007 7:04 PM GMT
    I don't know exactly but I'm sure the 3rd one is wrong..
    I guess you should consider the abs as normal muscles and not give them a special treat ...
    I still don't know what's the big deal about abs...icon_confused.gif
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    Nov 16, 2007 7:15 PM GMT
    Its all about abs after you hit 40 y.o.. I didn't even think it was possible to have a waist after 45 since i did not know anyone that was not chubby by then,,,,especially former jocks.
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    Nov 16, 2007 11:37 PM GMT
    this site was inspiration to get mine back. since my other has been out of work since last nov and likes to cook, my abs have been gone. for a while. and I hate being skinny fat. a belly on a thin guy i cannnnt stand.


    The first time i got my abs it was freaky, one day they werent there and the next day, boom.

    for me it is realy a matter of 1 or 3 pounds and waalaa! there they are, I gain a pound or 2 and they are gone.

    I'm the thin athletic kind.

    well its just before my birthday and the magic pound was gone yesterday! yay!

    good luck

    wally
  • David40

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    Nov 16, 2007 11:43 PM GMT
    I have attempted to pursue a definative answer to the question without determining more than that the best approach is to develop a balanced and functional body ... which means covering all muscle groups on a regular basis as part of your overall workout programme.

    As a 67-year-old, certainly the belly accumulates fat easily and that I think is a male thing and suspect that mid-rif accumulation of fat can start in the late 20s or early 30s ... so enjoy your slim body whilst you can!
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    Nov 17, 2007 12:45 AM GMT
    You can work abs as much as you can stand it. I work abs once every two weeks now, but I keep my diet clean and body fat down. Cardio will strip the body fat off, but you have to run/walk for at least 45 minutes for it to do any good. The reason you need 45 minutes is that the first twenty minutes your not calling on your body fat for energy yet. The real key is abs never come fast, it took me eight months to see mine, and I was at the gym five days a week. So no matter what you see in the mirror don't stop keep after it you'll get there.
    Great workouts
    Joe
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    Nov 17, 2007 3:52 AM GMT
    400-500 abs a day.

    (50-100)x (4 or 5) of various techniques.

    -to the sides
    -bikes
    -legs off the ground
    -sit ups
    -crunches
    etc...
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    Nov 18, 2007 6:54 AM GMT
    1) Yes, you can work your abs every day. I've done this all my life. I do my ab routine each morning on the floor after waking up. I vary my main routine and do weighted ab resistance exericses at the gym too.

    2) I never rest my abs unless I happen to over exerise or if I'm injured or sick for some reason. I've done this all my life. Your abs muscles are fast twitching; unlike most other muscles they recover extremely fast.

    3)You can build and tone your abs. Body builders do this before every competition. When they're bulking their abs aren't as visible. When they're cutting for definition, they eat low fat diets and lot's of cardio.

    It's true that genetics affects your abdominal shape. Naturally thin people have high metabolisms and low body fat and usually have defined abs. People who are obease and have low metabolism are just the opposite.

    When I asked my favorite physical trainer about proper weight, he said that he never worried about how much he weighed on a scale. He always relied on the mirror, it never gets mis-calibrated and won't tell any lies.

    As you get older, you will have to work harder to have great abs. The most important thing that you can do now while you're young is build and strengthen your core body muscles to have a good base for the future.

    There are no myths in life. Life is simply what you make it. Remember, if practice makes perfect, then be careful what you practice. And, you don't really know what you know, until you actually know what you know!
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    Nov 18, 2007 6:54 AM GMT
    1) Yes, you can work your abs every day. I've done this all my life. I do my ab routine each morning on the floor after waking up. I vary my main routine and do weighted ab resistance exericses at the gym too.

    2) I never rest my abs unless I happen to over exerise or if I'm injured or sick for some reason. I've done this all my life. Your abs muscles are fast twitching; unlike most other muscles they recover extremely fast.

    3)You can build and tone your abs. Body builders do this before every competition. When they're bulking their abs aren't as visible. When they're cutting for definition, they eat low fat diets and lot's of cardio.

    It's true that genetics affects your abdominal shape. Naturally thin people have high metabolisms and low body fat and usually have defined abs. People who are obease and have low metabolism are just the opposite.

    When I asked my favorite physical trainer about proper weight, he said that he never worried about how much he weighed on a scale. He always relied on the mirror, it never gets mis-calibrated and won't tell any lies.

    As you get older, you will have to work harder to have great abs. The most important thing that you can do now while you're young is build and strengthen your core body muscles to have a good base for the future.

    There are no myths in life. Life is simply what you make it. Remember, if practice makes perfect, then be careful what you practice. And, you don't really know what you know, until you actually know what you know!