Obama and DOMA

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    Jun 12, 2009 9:28 PM GMT
    This is an interesting article. Not interesting in the good way, mind you.

    Here is Obama's DoJ defending DOMA that John Aravosis commented on (granted, he needs to do this because it is a federal law, but he doesn't have to defend it THIS much. A narrow interpretation could protect the administration and still take the teeth out):

    http://www.americablog.com/2009/06/obama-justice-department-defends-doma.html


    The worst parts are that it sets acceptable precedence for DOMA by citing cases that involve incest and the marriage of minors and suggests that not letting gays get married protects the federal gov't from needing to pay for SS benefits to surviving partners.

    Not acceptable! Happy pride month everyone.

    How long till Obama gets legislators on board to repeal DOMA? How long till Nancy Pelosi starts working on some things? This is troubling.
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    Jun 12, 2009 9:30 PM GMT
    Just found some of Sullivan's thoughts on the matter:

    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/06/obamas-dadt-betrayal.html#more


    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/06/the-most-egregious-line.html

    and

    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/06/insult-to-injury.html

    I'll be stewing on this for a while.
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    Jun 12, 2009 10:30 PM GMT
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/16355867/Obamas-Motion-to-Dismiss-Marriage-case

    The actual brief. it is atrocious. he has lost my vote, and my support.

    All I have to say is hello bus, How does it feel to be on top of me

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    Jun 12, 2009 10:34 PM GMT
    Yeah my faith in Obama is dying with every passing day..

    I really starting to not like the man too much.
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    Jun 12, 2009 10:37 PM GMT
    That's us. Charlie Brown. Obama pulled a Lucy on us.
  • EricLA

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    Jun 12, 2009 10:41 PM GMT
    He has a lot of explaining to do. It's one thing to defend DOMA, another to compare same-sex marriage to incest and marrying children. Indefensible!!!

    He calls himself a "fierce advocate" to our cause. Hah!

    I voted for him knowing he wasn't great on our issues, but at this point his actions have done nothing to differentiate himself from George Bush.

    I plan on writing a letter to the president demanding my money back. I donated more money to his election than any other political candidate. I want a refund -- I haven't gotten what I paid for.
  • coolarmydude

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    Jun 12, 2009 10:41 PM GMT
    Good grief! icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jun 12, 2009 11:07 PM GMT
    Obama is the antiChrist! LOL

    This isn't the only issue that he angers me over. Fuck him.
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    Jun 12, 2009 11:29 PM GMT
    And people are surprised by this? Not only has he legally backed DOMA and DADT in court, including the US Supreme Court, but his reckless spending is going to leave a looooooong lasting impact on our's and or children's future.
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    Jun 12, 2009 11:31 PM GMT
    Wow, this is sounding more like the comments about Bush before the election. What a change in the attitudes here. Just goes to show, talk is cheap!
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    Jun 12, 2009 11:33 PM GMT
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    Perhaps someone wanted to add impetus to that planned march in D.C.
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    Jun 13, 2009 12:15 AM GMT
    Here's some moderately good news:

    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/06/who-wrote-the-doma-brief.html

    It's a Bush appointee who did it. But where was Eric Holder? Or anyone!? How does this happen in an Obama admin?
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    Jun 13, 2009 12:29 AM GMT
    Why does this come as a surprise to anybody? Obama is a politician, not some magical savior. He will do whatever he thinks benefits him politically. Our job is to get the message out that positive steps on gay issues will bring political benefits, and doing nothing will cause political damage.
    Our money and votes must be earned, not taken for granted as they always have been.
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    Jun 13, 2009 12:32 AM GMT
    Too many people put too much faith in Obama. He promised change, promised to right every wrong...Why is anyone surprised? He did what every other politician does and that is tell you what you want to hear so that he gets your vote. SHOCKER!

    Boil all this down and you get the same old Washington dance.


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    Jun 13, 2009 1:14 AM GMT
    I'm disappointed, but my vote for Obama was primarily about the future of the Supreme Court, and I'm still happy that it's Obama and not McCain in the Oval Office.
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    Jun 13, 2009 2:28 AM GMT
    can anybody provide a link to a non opinion piece? i've tried the bbc, washington post, and the new york times, and i can't find any articles about this issue.
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    Jun 13, 2009 5:46 AM GMT
    I'm glad I never gave him my vote and support.
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    Jun 13, 2009 11:58 AM GMT
    discojim saidI'm glad I never gave him my vote and support.


    Nor did I, I must say I'm still dumbfounded by what he said though. There's so much irony and idiocy being spewed out it's disgusting.
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    Jun 13, 2009 12:03 PM GMT
    Andrew Sullivan is one of the great thinkers of our time. But he has blindsides and is not without faults. But he is a great thinker....I do not say that lightly.
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    Jun 13, 2009 12:11 PM GMT
    Triggerman saidAndrew Sullivan is one of the great thinkers of our time.

    Sullivan's abilities as a great thinker weren't much on display in his bizarre speculations on the parentage of Trig Palin.
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    Jun 13, 2009 12:38 PM GMT
    I used to worship Sullivan. I got so bad about it that I had to cut him off entirely. I never read his stuff anymore.
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    Jun 13, 2009 12:39 PM GMT
    I don't think Obama ever said he would be good on gay rights...
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    Jun 13, 2009 12:41 PM GMT
    Maybe not those words, but he did refer to himself as a fierce advocate of gays and lesbian Americans.

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    By Laura McGann 12/18/08 11:44 AM At a press conference in Chicago this morning, President-elect Barack Obama responded to attacks from gay-rights advocates who say they his selection of Pastor Rick Warren, a critic of gay rights, to deliver the invocation at his inauguration.

    Warren, a leader of the evangelical Saddleback Church in Orange County,Calif., came out in favor of Proposition 8 — a ballot initiative that stripped gays of the right to marry in the state. The hot-button initiative narrowly passed, setting off a firestorm among gay rights advocates who took to the streets in protests across the state.

    Obama, who often mentioned his support of gay rights in stump speeches, though not gay marriage, said today that he is a “fierce advocate for gay and lesbian Americans,” adding, “It’s something I’ve been consistent on.”
    When pressed by a reporter on why he would invite someone with opposing social views to speak at his inauguration, Obama responded: “It’s important for Americans to come together, even if we have different social views…that dialogue, I think, is what my campaign has been about.”

    For those who see gay marriage as one of the great civil rights struggles of this era, the “coming together” message doesn’t take away the sting.

    California gay rights activist Rick Jacobs said to Politico:

    “Can you imagine if he had a man of God doing the invocation who had deliberately said that Jews are not going to be saved and therefore should be excluded from what’s going on in America? People would be up in arms,” he said.

    Obama, who has been commended for a near-flawless transition, might have just made his first major misstep.
  • swimbikerun

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    Jun 13, 2009 12:45 PM GMT
    Wht a bunch of horseshit:
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    Jun 13, 2009 12:47 PM GMT
    McGay saidMaybe not those words, but he did refer to himself as a fierce advocate of gay rights.


    Fair cop, I'm not going to defend anyone for being anti-gay rights. That's a let down.

    I still like Obama though, even if he's not so hot on gay rights.

    In the UK we've had a government that's been really good on gay rights - and awful on everything else.

    I'd much rather have it like America.