Should The Equality March in October Also Be Turned Into An Anti Obama Administration March?

  • metta

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    Jun 13, 2009 5:25 AM GMT
    I think that we should do it if we don't see real big changes by October!

    http://www.nationalequalitymarch.com/





    Please make sure that you are aware of the Obama/DOMA thread before answering this one. Thanks!

    Obama/DOMA Thread:
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/554878/





    Then....there is also the Don't Ask Don't Tell Issue as well:
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/551255/


    I really don't think that sitting back and being quiet will get us anywhere.

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    Jun 13, 2009 8:18 AM GMT
    No, it should not be anti-Obama march. It should be a full on Civil Rights march. Deservedly so, we should be angry, but that anger has to be channelled in the right direction and in a positive way. While it is not popular here from what I have seen to say that he has only been president for less than 5 months, I stand by that. He has not been president long enough for me to be anti-him. I will be a part of the march in October, if it happens, but only if it is a civil rights march. Even at that point, 9 months into his presidency, I doubt that I will have disagreed with him enough for me to become anti-Obama. Only at the point of re-election will I decide to be for or against him, but that does not negate my efforts to do all I can as an individual who is gay to see that we all become full citizens under the constitutional rule of law.
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    Jun 13, 2009 8:54 AM GMT
    Not yet. First get a wider view of the forest...

    http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid90000.asp

    And what ErikTaurean said. icon_smile.gif
  • Menergy_1

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    Jun 13, 2009 3:38 PM GMT
    But the buck stops in the Oval Office....regardless.

    54 pages of hateful zeal to paint the gay/lesbian community in an equation with rape/incest/using up "limited" government resources if two people of the same sex are allowed to marry and get full recognition seems excessive, dontcha think?

    So far not really a finger lifted in the Obama Administration, aside from a redundant proclamation of Gay Pride Month (talk about ironies)....so how long is long enough to wait for follow-through on promises of "Change"????
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    Jun 13, 2009 5:04 PM GMT
    I don't think we should March for anything but our rights .. this is about US LGBT people .. we might be second class in the eyes of the Government but we should not make any person the focus. I am sure it will come up but we don't need to let some Non-LGBT person steal the limelight.

    My hope would be that Gays can come together and overcome infighting .. that is much more important that any anti-gay condoning administration. Gays are the ones being wronged so right is on our side as long as we stick to the issues.

    We have been fighting for our rights wayyy before this administration, and we will be around way after their 8 or 4 years are up. WE WILL WIN, and one day people will be able to look back and see who stood up for equality and those who stood in the way. That being said here is my note to people who don't get it ..


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_LGBT_history#4th_century342 – The first law against homosexual marriage was promulgated by the Christian emperors Constantius II and Constans.
    390 – In the year 390, the Christian emperors Valentinian II, Theodosius I and Arcadius declared homosexual sex to be illegal and those who were guilty of it were condemned to be burned alive in front of the public.


    it's 1667 years later and counting Mr. President and company!! Step into the new century, step into the new millennium!
  • metta

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    Jun 13, 2009 5:06 PM GMT
    Feast of Fun Podcast #993, Please listen to the following episode at around 16 min, 10 seconds (you can move the toggle over to around that time once you press the play button.
    http://www.feastoffools.net/gay-fun-show/2009/05/28/fof-993-russian-prison-andy-052809/


    Learn from history on how we have been hurt by keeping quiet. Learn from the Christian right on what they do to succeed.

    Christian Post

    Massive Opposition to Obama DOMA Repeal

    By Christian Post on January 26th, 2009

    Thousands of traditional marriage supporters have contacted President Obama to voice opposition to his plan to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act.

    Almost immediately after the inaugural ceremony, the new administration updated the Whitehouse.gov website with a full outline of Barack Obama’s agenda, which included repealing DOMA and opposing a federal marriage amendment that would ban same-sex marriage.

    “President Obama supports full civil unions that give same-sex couples legal rights and privileges equal to those of married couples,” the Whitehouse.gov website states. “Obama also believes we need to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act and enact legislation that would ensure that the 1,100+ federal legal rights and benefits currently provided on the basis of marital status are extended to same-sex couples in civil unions and other legally-recognized unions.”



    http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/01/massive-opposition-to-obama-doma-repeal/



    As Harvey Milk said....

    HOPE WILL NOT BE SILENT!

    We better not be!
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    Jun 13, 2009 5:20 PM GMT
    Should The Equality March in October Also Be Turned Into An Anti Obama Administration March?

    As things are looking now, yes. In fact, I think some Pride Parades this month should express our concern over Obama's doubtful commitment to gay rights.
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    Jun 13, 2009 5:25 PM GMT
    Is anybody writing his congressman, senators, and the president now to press our issues?
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    Jun 13, 2009 5:29 PM GMT
    Metta, I am not going to be silent, but I am not a one dimentional citizen of this country, in thinking that President Obama is president of the gay population and that for me, only the gay rights issues, should matter to me. They do matter to me, more than most who post on these forums and threads by the looks of them. But I will not jump on board of an anti-Obama wagon until such time as I see that he is letting a majority of the country down on all or most of the pressing issues of the day, of which, our civil rights is a part. As I stated earlier, I will call Obama out on his inaction,as I am doing with my congressional representatives, but I will not do it in a fashion as bashing 5 months or 9 months into his presidency. This is more about our civil rights than it his him or his administration at this point. I will fight right by your side for our civil rights, but I will not go about it being anti-Obama at this point.
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    Jun 13, 2009 5:35 PM GMT
    Caslon11000 saidIs anybody writing his congressman, senators, and the president now to press our issues?

    Yes, although in my case that produces limited results. Our Member of Congress is already strongly pro-gay rights. Our US Senators are homophobic, don't need the gay vote, and cannot be persuaded.
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    Jun 13, 2009 5:54 PM GMT
    ErikTaurean saidMetta, I am not going to be silent, but I am not a one dimentional citizen of this country, in thinking that President Obama is president of the gay population and that for me, only the gay rights issues, should matter to me. They do matter to me, more than most who post on these forums and threads by the looks of them. But I will not jump on board of an anti-Obama wagon until such time as I see that he is letting a majority of the country down on all or most of the pressing issues of the day, of which, our civil rights is a part. As I stated earlier, I will call Obama out on his inaction,as I am doing with my congressional representatives, but I will not do it in a fashion as bashing 5 months or 9 months into his presidency. This is more about our civil rights than it his him or his administration at this point. I will fight right by your side for our civil rights, but I will not go about it being anti-Obama at this point.


    I agree with ErikT. Very well said.
  • ShawnTX

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    Jun 13, 2009 6:44 PM GMT
    While I'm no fan of Obama, turning the Equality March into an Anti-Obama march is a ridiculous notion.

    Firstly, he can't change things overnight. I don't have high hopes that he'll do great things as it relates directly to the GLBT community, but he may come to surprise me.

    Secondly, not every gay person shares your Anti-Obama views, so by turning the Equality March into an anti-Obama march, you alienate certain people (sound familiar?).

    If you want an anti-Obama march, organise an anti-Obama march.
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    Jun 13, 2009 6:59 PM GMT
    ShawnTX saidWhile I'm no fan of Obama, turning the Equality March into an Anti-Obama march is a ridiculous notion.

    Firstly, he can't change things overnight. I don't have high hopes that he'll do great things as it relates directly to the GLBT community, but he may come to surprise me.

    Well he's already surprised me on gay rights, by taking Bush-era positions on DADT & DOMA. Far from changing anything, he's already vigorously following Bush policies. What exactly are you expecting to happen at this point? That he'll contradict himself and become a gay supporter?

    We had hopes before the election. Now he's been in office and those hopes have been dashed, because Obama is already actively pursuing an anti-gay agenda. He's not about to change anything overnight or any night.
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    Jun 13, 2009 7:01 PM GMT
    AuthorEngineer saidNot yet. First get a wider view of the forest...

    http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid90000.asp

    And what ErikTaurean said. icon_smile.gif
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    Jun 13, 2009 7:02 PM GMT
    Ah, no. You probably shouldn't antagonize the person partially responsible for affording you civil rights. A nice, clean, and RESPECTABLE civil rights march is what you need.
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    Jun 13, 2009 8:03 PM GMT
    fruits said
    I love my President very much , but when it comes to my rights as a gay person Iam for the march
    but it should not be an anti- Obama march, it should be a civil rights march.

    And if the Obama Administration continues to actively oppose gay civil rights, then a civil rights march is anti-Obama by definition. These become equivalent terms, unless one is such a fanatical Obama supporter that he is exempt from all criticism. That begins to sound like the brainwashed pro-Bush people.
  • coolarmydude

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    Jun 13, 2009 9:04 PM GMT
    I did some thought and consideration on this topic question before even opening the thread and reading comments.

    My opinion is that it should not be an Obama hate fest. The issue is our equality struggle. When the Tea Party kicked off back in April, it was nothing but an Obama hate fest and that's what it became known for more than the intent of the protest, which was on tax policies.

    Do we want our opportunity to protest wasted on an off-track message? No. The protest is for all to hear our call for equal rights and not about our disappointment in the President.

    Besides, you can really let Obama know how disappointed you are in him when he tries to get re-elected. Save your money and your energy for that fight.

  • metta

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    Jun 14, 2009 5:14 AM GMT
    He needs us to push him to do the right thing just as the Christian Right are pushing him to do the wrong thing. We need to do it in a much bigger way.

    His promise to end DOMA has been removed form the White House web site. It needs to be put back.

    I have not given up on Obama. I just want to make him keep to his word.





    Demand President Obama push for complete equality for LGBT Americans, as he promised during his campaign. Please go to this link:




    http://www.eqca.org/siteapps/advocacy/ActionItem.aspx?c=kuLRJ9MRKrH&b=4025663&aid=12444&tr=y&auid=4968419









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    Jun 14, 2009 5:23 AM GMT
    Caslon11000 saidIs anybody writing his congressman, senators, and the president now to press our issues?


    As a matter of fact, I have and am doing a bit more. Taking a page from squarejaw, I think that the words need to be heard out of mouths so I am sending a video open letter, so to speak, to them as well as Obama. If the religious right, National Organization for Marriage and others can do it, so can we and we should.
  • metta

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    Jun 14, 2009 5:28 AM GMT
    ^
    Excellent idea! icon_biggrin.gif