A PHELPS ENCOUNTER: How would you react if you encountered a protest???

  • HndsmKansan

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    Jun 13, 2009 5:48 PM GMT
    Fred Phelps and his group from Westboro Baptist church in Topeka....
    Much can be said... I just consider him a disgrace and embarassment to our state.

    When I was in law school, I heard how he tried to sue my law school since they rejected the application of his daughter.... then another daughter got disbarred from legal practice in our state.... its always been disgusting..
    and the Matthew Shepard experience was some of the worst.

    I encountered this Youtube video when Phelps' crew was protesting the
    "Laramie Project" production, detailing the events about Matthew Shepards death. I thought the sign, "Fags Doom Nations" and the sign about Judy Shepard were the most outragious.....

    So my question... lets say you were out and about and encountered a Phelps protest... or someone similar with signs such as these.... WHAT WOULD YOU DO? Be just as hateful back??? Do nothing???

    Me, I'd be tempted to walk right in front of them with my bf and kiss him
    and walk off.

    Edit: About 60% of the way through this video, there were 2 really cute guys standing with the protesters.. I wish I knew what the hell that was about...

  • ShawnTX

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    Jun 13, 2009 6:37 PM GMT
    I think they're a joke and a disgrace, just like anyone who uses hate and their own twisted religious views to defame and discriminate against a particular group of individuals. It's groups like these that keeps this country in the dark ages.

    These people are a joke, their arguments weak and ludicrous, bordering on amusing. Unfortunately, they can't be ignored. People like this can be potentially dangerous (just look at the recent shooting in D.C.).

    If I were to encounter one of these protests I certainly wouldn't confront them with my opinions and views, you're basically attempting to reason with unthinking objects. I'm satisfied enough knowing what comes around goes around, and they'll have to answer for their actions when they meet their maker.
  • cowboyathlete

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    Jun 13, 2009 7:49 PM GMT
    I would ignore them. I have long wondered where their money comes from, has anyone ever looked into that?
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    Jun 13, 2009 9:50 PM GMT
    Grab the nearest microphone and belt out "Respect" by Aretha.icon_biggrin.gif Either they'll get the message, or (more likely) they'll start bleeding from the ears from my lackluster voice!

    Seriously, I don't know. It would depend on the circumstances. I think if there was a peaceful counter-protest going on, and I wasn't head off to work or something, I would add my support by sticking around. If it looked as though it might get messy, I probably would leave.
  • coolarmydude

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    Jun 13, 2009 10:13 PM GMT
    I'd whip out my sign that reads,



    GOD HATES BIBLE THUMPERS!
  • auryn

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    Jun 13, 2009 10:17 PM GMT
    We're having counter protests in Seattle tomorrow.

    http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/event.php?eid=87328597583
  • spinningguy

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    Jun 13, 2009 10:24 PM GMT
    They protested a student event at my University an event that I was advising. When I let the University and the local police know that they were planning to attend and protest I actually got a ton of help from the FBI and the local police force. In the end the show of police force way outweighed the Phelps organization and it became a nonissue. The students were able to hold their Pride conference and everything ended up going just fine.

    I was interviewed by several newspapers and I made the request that the paper and that the students should simply ignore the protestors. It is my sincere belief that this group has two objectives:

    1) Get as much face time in the media to spread their hate as possible.
    and
    2) Get people to attack them so that they can sue the property owner where they get attacked.

    Its a giant scheme if you ask me.

    Here is one of the press stories about my University in Daytona Beach!

    http://www.edgeboston.com/index.php?ch=news&sc=&sc2=news&sc3=&id=88362
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    Jun 13, 2009 10:25 PM GMT
    I have. There is a guy that shows up at every San Diego Pride as well as LA. Big beefy bald guy with a flame sign and a family around him. Burn in Hell or something similar. He has been there for 10 years at least. Most people just ignore him. Sometimes gays surround him and drown out his message. He used to have a hot blonde son around 18, maybe 28 now, that was always with him but just seemed bored. I felt sorry for the kid. Dad takes you to Gay Pride Parades. Nice weekend. Hey Dad, what are we doing this weekend? Well, son, we going to another Gay Pride Parade. Can we go to the beach? No, we are going to stand as close as possible to the Gays and hold up "Burn in Hell" signs. Great Dad, that guy. Bet his kids love him and their family vacations following Gay Pride events around the country. Don't ask me what I think the real motivation is for the Dad. Way too obvious. Most guys thought the kid was on our team anyway.
  • swogdog

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    Jun 13, 2009 10:30 PM GMT
    I worked near the Twin Towers when the attack took place on 9-11. Not long after (perhaps just days) Phelps and crew showed up to protest, saying that 9-11 was god's punishment for gays being tolerated in the USA. They actually suggested that survivors be left to die!

    I have never in my life - after having seen what happened with my own eyes - been so moved to commit violence on another person. The fact that they reveled in the death of the victims and blamed it on gays was maddening beyond belief.

    Time passes, emotions cool. If I saw a protest now I would definitely verbally engage the group, or kiss my boyfriend (if I had one) in counter-protest.
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    Jun 13, 2009 10:40 PM GMT
    First of all let's say that Fred Phelps and his ilk are banned from entering the UK by the Government immigration officials.
    Then secondly, that poster which read "God Hates You" is a travesty on God's character. God does not hate anyone, or else Jesus would not have died on the cross for our sins.
    Then thirdly, the other poster about Matthew Sheperd in hell - Phelps had absolutely no right whatsoever to determine somebody else's eternal destiny. That is left to God alone.
    It is a sad fact that these people, such as Oral Roberts, Pat Robinson, the late John Wimber and Fred Phelps all have done a bad service in the name of Jesus Christ. Lttle wonder that their attitude had caused the rise of more atheists than anything else.
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    Jun 13, 2009 10:54 PM GMT
    It's not very clever, but here's what I would do...

    Get a chainsaw and a dirt bike and start doing some calvary-style beheadings... chase them the f#ck down and kill every last one of them.. every last f#cking one. And IF there are any survivors they'll experience the pleasure of being sodomized by whatever farm animal(s) are available until they suffer internal hemorrhaging unto death. Then, it's onto their children...

    Forces of Evil: 17, God: 0

    An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.

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    Jun 13, 2009 11:00 PM GMT
    I wish he was allowed in the UK. I really do. Government does not need to ban these guys. The public does. We have done a pretty good job here in the US showing these people for what they are. In the US, we now have a contingent of former military guys, bikers, that folllow his every move. He got bored, and no press, from picketing Gay Parades so he started picketing military funerals saying that fallen soldiers died fighting for a Fag- loving government. The former soldiers, now bikers, have done a damn good job of showing him who not to mess with. He has his free speech which everyone is entitled to. He and his "family" have thought better of exercising that speech. They tried in my home town last month. Great kid from Olema. Phelps cancelled his appearance. Did not feel safe. lol. He was safe. Nobody threatens him. He just does not have an affect anymore. The press covers the bikers, not him. His story is old and tired. The bikers are much more interesting. As they should be. If any of you Vet bikers read this, more power to you. Thank you for a second service to our country. Job well done.
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  • Sebastian18

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    Jun 14, 2009 12:03 AM GMT
    I'll be sure to give a full reply of my reaction tomorrow since they're going to be in my hometown of Seattle picketing not one, but three locations on/around the Capitol Hill area:

    Sat. June 13, 6:15–7 pm picketing begins at Stroum Jewish Community Center

    Sun. Mount Zion Baptist Church from 10:00-10:45 ish

    Sun. Saint James Cathedral from 11:00-noon

    Already various organizations from around my city are preparing for peaceful counter-protest and I plan on representing my personal religious community in our condemnation of WBC's bigoted stances at St. James.
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    Jun 14, 2009 12:09 AM GMT
    Once in a while a little personal violence solves everything.

    Not condoning, JPRICHVA, but understanding. Don't get me wrong and go all Travis Bickle. But a well placed overhand right, if not done in front of cameras, solves everything. enough said.
  • Pheo

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    Jun 14, 2009 12:34 AM GMT
    I debated Shirley Phelps personally in 2007... She didn't like me too well. She wanted to debate that I was a sinner and I told her I'd see her in Hell being as her son was born out of wedlock. ZING! >.>'
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    Jun 14, 2009 12:42 AM GMT
    Debating the Phelps is almost useless and next to pointless. Debate the Bible? For every verse you have they have 4-5 on hand to defeat anything you say. Their profession is the bible. That is all they do. That is all they study. They have no other life.

    I know the Phelps. Been studying them and their tactics for almost 15 years. No one wins a Bible fight with them. Ever. You can only hope that the listener is smart enough to know the difference. Most aren't.

    Never bring a knife to a gun fight. Butch Cassidy.
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    Jun 14, 2009 1:04 AM GMT
    I agree with Triggerman.
    Grab one, haul him behind the bushes, beat the fu¢k out of him, repeat. Of course that's why I'm an a$$ hole too. God help em if they ever cross my path.
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    Jun 14, 2009 1:12 AM GMT
    I don't believe in micro-managing karma but in the end these people will get what they deserve. Their paranoia will eat them alive and they'll die bitter lonely people. People who are hate gays or addicts or others some in society hate live and rot in their own earthly hell on daily basis. Hell is not in the underworld in my mind. I would have a hard time ignoring some protest badmouthing Matthew Sheppard because not even the worst person on the face of the earth deserved that.
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    Jun 14, 2009 1:17 AM GMT
    Phelps protested a Methodist Church in my area because the pastor proformed same-sex weddings. I am not methodist, but supported the church. The group supporting the church so out numbered the few Phelps protesters that they soon just gave up and left.
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    Jun 14, 2009 1:17 AM GMT
    Let me say for the record I have never condoned violence nor while I ever. I never said anything of the sort nor will I ever. Violence does not solve most problems.

    JW
  • Akula

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    Jun 14, 2009 2:03 AM GMT
    I'd find the bar that was hosting the Phelps party the one were they raise money for a charity, for every 1/2 hour or whatever they protest the bar donates money to a gay group. It's great Pisses off the haters and keeps making them look like asses. Now that I know they will be in Seattle tomorrow the bf and I will have to go and kiss in front of them, then hit the bar.
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    Jun 14, 2009 3:21 AM GMT
    While watching the pride parade in Chicago last year, I stationed myself across the street from one of these "protests" just to see the action. It was great to see how many people mocked them, waved, smiled, etc...nothing even close to violent. The cheers and yells often were so loud you couldn't even hear the protesters on their horn.

    Best moment was when a mother with two small children came walking out of a nearby store and as she was walking away:

    guy on horn: "ma'am get those children away from here before they grow up to be like this filth!(or some other ignorant term)

    mother: "i'd much rather have my children grow up to be like them then somebody as hateful and ignorant as you!"

    certainly unexpected but great on her part!
  • jlly_rnchr

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    Jun 14, 2009 4:11 AM GMT
    He protested "The Laramie Project" at my school. All I did was walk into our performing arts center with an anti-Phelps pin attached to my jacket while his brood was across the street.

    Ignoring him is probably the best way to piss him off.

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    Jun 14, 2009 4:56 AM GMT
    Akula saidI'd find the bar that was hosting the Phelps party the one were they raise money for a charity, for every 1/2 hour or whatever they protest the bar donates money to a gay group. It's great Pisses off the haters and keeps making them look like asses. Now that I know they will be in Seattle tomorrow the bf and I will have to go and kiss in front of them, then hit the bar.

    Bingo!

    http://www.autbar.com/what_is_every_minute_counts_usa.htm
    http://www.autbar.com/fred_phelps_press_release.htm

    That's what we did (wow, that was just over 8 years ago?!). Not just the bar making donations. The Aut Bar turned it into a telethon-like event with many patrons making donations for "every minute" that the Phelpsites were outside the bar. Raised a lot of money for the local LGBT community center.