[The] "coming Republican ice age" ... they are doomed !

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    Jun 14, 2009 2:44 AM GMT
    Every demographic is against them.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/13/AR2009061301209_2.html?hpid=topnews

    It's interesting how the vote of every minority group is examined....except gays.
  • DCEric

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    Jun 14, 2009 3:48 AM GMT
    meh. After Bush won the first time every news station broadcast that it was the end of the Dems. For something like that, I will believe it when I see it.
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    Jun 14, 2009 4:03 AM GMT
    I'm not going to buy too heavily into it. I will probably always vote Democrat, but I'm not so blinded by party loyalty that I can't see a ton of bad shit going down on our watch and being poorly handled just like the Republicans did before us. I feel we're just as susceptible to the same arrogance that brought down the Bushies. The moment we take the demise of the Republican party for granted, is the moment we're royally fucked. A shift in electorate composition, while favorable, is ultimately no guarantee. You don't make people happy, they'll probably give the other guys another chance again. Only an idiot would declare "Mission Accomplished" at this point in the political battle.
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    Jun 14, 2009 5:10 AM GMT
    Same sentiment, Robby. I decided a long time ago that I would never ascribe to either of the major parties nor any of the minor parties themselves after doing research and reading their respective platforms. I am fortunate to live in a state that allows me to register as unaffiliated rather than forcing me to allign with either party. I have never voted straight party in any election. I actually do look at the candidates and listen to what they have to say about the issues and if they are seasoned, their voting record. Sometimes time consuming, but an informed vote is the better choice for me.
  • GQjock

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    Jun 14, 2009 11:31 AM GMT
    After the HELL they've put us through I don't see how anyone in their right mind could vote for a republican again

    And for all of those remaining rats who are backtracking and disavowing themselves of everything Bush did ...... Where the F**k where they when he was raping and pillaging the world?
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    Jun 14, 2009 12:23 PM GMT
    Caslon11000 saidEvery demographic is against them.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/13/AR2009061301209_2.html?hpid=topnews

    It's interesting how the vote of every minority group is examined....except gays.


    Well yeah, but it seemed to me they were looking only at age, race, and economic status. I saw nothing in the article about religion or gender as being factors (unless I missed it). Even so, I truly hope it's an ice age for them... Seems to me they need a good long stretch in the time-out chair after the last eight years of right-wing self-will run riot.
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    Jun 14, 2009 12:34 PM GMT
    after the Thatcher-Major conservative governments in the 80s and 90s the conservative party was HUGELY unpopular. They were crushed in 97 by Blair and New Labour and disintegrated as a party, wondering through various leaders, but never with any chance of winning. New Labour are now SO unpopular that they recently got less than 16% of the vote in the european elections, which is their lowest ever result in the history of the party. They will almost certainly lose the next election. It has been 12 years.
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    Jun 14, 2009 1:09 PM GMT
    Caslon11000 said
    It's interesting how the vote of every minority group is examined....except gays.


    LOL. As if they had to ask.
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    Jun 14, 2009 1:30 PM GMT
    Everyone just assumes that immigrants will vote democrat. I'm not so sure...

    If the Republicans could find it their hearts to be pro-immigration, their conservative values could strike a chord with self-reliant and relgious immigrants.

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    Jun 14, 2009 2:24 PM GMT
    Lost_And_Found saidEveryone just assumes that immigrants will vote democrat. I'm not so sure...

    If the Republicans could find it their hearts to be pro-immigration, their conservative values could strike a chord with self-reliant and relgious immigrants.



    apart from the fact that at the moment they are on the verge of destroying their hispanic support for a generation over the Sotomayor issue.
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    Jun 14, 2009 3:47 PM GMT
    It is very difficult to poll gay people simply because our census data doesn't account for it. Something I was hoping the Obama administration would correct but he is being his usual ass on the issue.

    It will be interesting to see what the GOP emerges as when they become a relevant party again.
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    Jun 14, 2009 5:17 PM GMT
    I hope this isn't a surprise to anyone, and I wouldn't get all happy about this, because there are some things you guys are forgetting about.

    This problem, with a party being in a rut, happened to the Democrats not too long ago. The Democrats caught the Republicans with their pants down, especially after the many mistakes the Republican party has made, which is part of why now we have Obama.

    Obama wasn't elected because Americans woke up one morning, and wanted to be liberals, or wanted bigger government. The election was decided by independents, not so much Republicans, Democrats, Liberals, or Conservatives. More people are moving towards independence, instead of sticking to one party, because they feel both have/were failing the people. Obama was elected for 3 reasons.

    1. As I said, the Republicans messed up, so now it was time to give the Democrats a turn, that's how the country works, the balance of power always shifts, especially after one party screws up, and pisses the people off.

    2. THE ECONOMY. Americans felt Obama had a better grasp on this. McCain's group although they had the right message, and better solution to it, didn't sell it well, didn't sell it as good as Obama did.

    3. The war, many Americans wanted it to be over. The hardcore moronic left, wanted him to just pull everyone out and be over with it. There were some guys I served with, who wanted to vote for him, because they didn't want to be there anymore, and they felt he'd bring us all home. I laughed at them and said if you think he's going to do that, you're sadly mistaken. These guys are pretty angry now, because they are still there, and they are strongly against everything else he is doing.

    The whole "He inherited this mess" worked well the first 2 months he was president. However all of the things he has done now, have made the mess his own, he owns it now. So now whenever I hear someone say "He inherited this", it sounds more like a lame excuse for failures, and its funny because was it not him who said we should be looking forward, and not backwards. Yet whenever things get a bit overwhelming, he goes right to that "I inherited this", and starts blaming the last administration for problems. Yes I can agree with anyone that he had a lot thrown on his plate, but that excuse is starting to make him look weak, and un-leader-like.

    Bush cracked opened the door for big government, or socialism, Obama just kicked it open and ran through it, and he's starting to make people wonder. I'm hearing more and more independents, who made this election let me remind you, say "This is not what I voted for" "I don't like where he's taking the country" "I didn't know he'd do this, or do that" People don't like this expansion of government. Its funny to see Europe, and Russia most of all, kinda sit back and be like whoa, and telling us not to go down this road. These countries have practiced it, the people are sick of it, and they don't want America down that road, and they themselves are turning away from it, because its been seen it don't work, which is why now conservatives over there, are gaining popularity.

    A lot of economist even before Obama was elected, like right when the economic crisis hit, said this is only the first wave. With Obama spending all of this money, we'll have none when the second wave hits. Bush's tax cuts were bringing sluggish growth to the economy, however they were pretty much useless because of all the crazy spending going on. You can't cut taxes, and spend money like a gold digging wench on a shopping spree, after finding her man's credit card, it doesn't work haha. If Obama kept the tax cuts AND reduced spending, we'd have more money.

    Many of Obama's critics, as well as our enemies, don't feel he's got the testicular fortitude to deal with them. Him going overseas to apologize, and pander, did nothing. The people he was hoping would "like us" after his little speeches, have done nothing yet to help (wow big surprise) . As for the fanatical Muslim world, as well as other threats like North Korea, it looked like weakness, its no surprise our enemies/threats are showing their asses now, because they feel Obama is weak. He's like Jimmy Carter 2.0

    I want Obama to do well, because I love this country, and yes I think it was awesome a "non-white" male who came from very little, has been put in the position he is in, in this country. It says a great deal about this country, which makes me even more proud to be apart of this country, but I have strong doubts as to where he's leading the country, and I don't like it. I pray nothing happens to him though, because god forbid Joe Biden becomes president haha.

    If things don't start picking up within 4-5 months, and if anything happens, in the means of any kind of attack, in 2010, and 2012, the Republicans will be back.
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    Jun 14, 2009 5:22 PM GMT
    Lost_And_Found saidEveryone just assumes that immigrants will vote democrat. I'm not so sure...

    If the Republicans could find it their hearts to be pro-immigration, their conservative values could strike a chord with self-reliant and relgious immigrants.




    Yep I agree. That's a huge mistake people make. The immigrants that come here, are always more conservative, and the only reason why they tend to vote Democratic, is because they feel the Republican party pushes them away.

    The Republicans are all for immigrants, but LEGAL immigrants, and Republicans need to sell this better as well.
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    Jun 14, 2009 5:26 PM GMT
    The really frightening stuff isn't going on with the parties; there have been sev eral articles on this in the last few weeks, but today's Frank Rich is pretty much what the others say as well - this scares me:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/14/opinion/14rich.html?_r=1&ref=opinion
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    Jun 14, 2009 5:32 PM GMT
    tazzari saidThe really frightening stuff isn't going on with the parties; there have been sev eral articles on this in the last few weeks, but today's Frank Rich is pretty much what the others say as well - this scares me:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/14/opinion/14rich.html?_r=1&ref=opinion


    The fact that you believe stuff written in the NY Times, is scary. I wouldn't be surprised if they were gone within the next 2-3 years. They're partially owned now, by this rich dude in Mexico, that's how bad they are doing, because fair minded, free thinking Americans don't waste their money on that paper anymore.
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    Jun 14, 2009 5:39 PM GMT
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    Lost_And_Found saidEveryone just assumes that immigrants will vote democrat. I'm not so sure...

    If the Republicans could find it their hearts to be pro-immigration, their conservative values could strike a chord with self-reliant and relgious immigrants.



    apart from the fact that at the moment they are on the verge of destroying their hispanic support for a generation over the Sotomayor issue.


    I had to look that up. It's not been reported here.

    If the American right is unable to be in favour of hispanic immigration and immigrants, they are shooting themselves in the foot.
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    Jun 14, 2009 5:47 PM GMT
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    Lostboy said
    Lost_And_Found saidEveryone just assumes that immigrants will vote democrat. I'm not so sure...

    If the Republicans could find it their hearts to be pro-immigration, their conservative values could strike a chord with self-reliant and relgious immigrants.



    apart from the fact that at the moment they are on the verge of destroying their hispanic support for a generation over the Sotomayor issue.


    I had to look that up. It's not been reported here.

    If the American right is unable to be in favour of hispanic immigration and immigrants, they are shooting themselves in the foot.



    The non-support for her, coming from some Republicans, has nothing to do with her race, though Liberals will say its because of her race. Its got all to do with things she's said that are a bit questionable. especially after finding out it wasn't a one time thing. They feel she deals a bit much too much in race politics, and a judge should not be doing that.
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    Jun 14, 2009 5:53 PM GMT
    Rad_d81 saidThe non-support for her, coming from some Republicans, has nothing to do with her race, though Liberals will say its because of her race. Its got all to do with things she's said that are a bit questionable. especially after finding out it wasn't a one time thing. They feel she deals a bit much too much in race politics, and a judge should not be doing that.

    It doesnt have to be about her race. The Hispanics are not going to look kindly on her being attacked or blocked. And the Repugicans will suffer because of it. Go Repugicans!!!

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    Jun 14, 2009 5:57 PM GMT
    Remember La Raza! That says it all.
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    Jun 14, 2009 6:06 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidRemember La Raza! That says it all.


    La Raza is a legitimate organization. The republican objection to Sotomayor is fairly incomprehensible. But hey, any way they want to destroy themselves is fine with me. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Oh and those posts.... way too long.

    Waaaay too long. icon_eek.gif
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    Jun 14, 2009 6:08 PM GMT
    Rad_d81 said, "The whole "He inherited this mess" worked well the first 2 months he was president. However all of the things he has done now, have made the mess his own, he owns it now. So now whenever I hear someone say "He inherited this", it sounds more like a lame excuse for failures, and its funny because was it not him who said we should be looking forward, and not backwards. Yet whenever things get a bit overwhelming, he goes right to that "I inherited this", and starts blaming the last administration for problems. Yes I can agree with anyone that he had a lot thrown on his plate, but that excuse is starting to make him look weak, and un-leader-like."



    Weren't you one of the same ones who was on these threads saying that part of the blame for 9/11 was because Clinton could have captured Osama bin Laden but he chose not to act on it? Isn't it convenient for you to make Obama responsible for what happens in our country just 2 months into his presidency, but 9/11 happens 8 months into Bush's presidency and it's also Clinton's fault for that happening. GOTCHA!
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    Jun 14, 2009 6:09 PM GMT
    Lostboy said, "But hey, any way they want to destroy themselves is fine with me."


    As the saying goes, give them enough rope and they'll find a way to hang themselves.
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    Jun 14, 2009 6:24 PM GMT
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    Jun 14, 2009 6:24 PM GMT
    As an Independent, I can tell you based on what I hear and see from Obama now, I will not vote for his re-election in 2012. And I will in fact vote for Sarah Palin or any republican for that matter to undue what is beginning to look like four years of socialist and damaging foreign policies.

    If some right-wingers (whom I detested until recently, and who claim Obama is marching us towards socialism) are correct about this assumption, then you guys would be shocked to see the flock of independents and even some democrats follow me to take this man out of office, and it will begin with us brining republicans back in 2010.

    In fact, some of you gay activists who don't care about anything else in this country but gay rights, and who repeatably say you will not vote for his reelection if he does not deliver on his gay promises, then all I can say to you, is, actually, THANK YOU!!! A low turnout is just what we need.

    Sorry, but we have more things to worry about than gay rights, because If this president is going to stop prosperity and wealth from advancing in this country, then why should I even worry about these rights that half of mean nothing anyways.
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    Jun 14, 2009 6:31 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidRad_d81 said, "The whole "He inherited this mess" worked well the first 2 months he was president. However all of the things he has done now, have made the mess his own, he owns it now. So now whenever I hear someone say "He inherited this", it sounds more like a lame excuse for failures, and its funny because was it not him who said we should be looking forward, and not backwards. Yet whenever things get a bit overwhelming, he goes right to that "I inherited this", and starts blaming the last administration for problems. Yes I can agree with anyone that he had a lot thrown on his plate, but that excuse is starting to make him look weak, and un-leader-like."



    Weren't you one of the same ones who was on these threads saying that part of the blame for 9/11 was because Clinton could have captured Osama bin Laden but he chose not to act on it? Isn't it convenient for you to make Obama responsible for what happens in our country just 2 months into his presidency, but 9/11 happens 8 months into Bush's presidency and it's also Clinton's fault for that happening. GOTCHA!


    We're talking about POLICIES: what policies did Bush exactly enact in his first 8 months that would have inflamed muslims and forced them to attack us? Neither is it Clintons' fault because 9/11 was a manifestation of decades, not years, of American policies. People have the right to blame Obama now into 6 months, because he is enacting polices that can have significance or not. So do not try to equate the two.