San Angelo, TX (pop. 88,000) mayor resigns

  • redheaded_dud...

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    Jun 15, 2009 9:46 AM GMT
    This is a wild story. San Angelo is, on its surface, exactly what many of you non-Texans think Texas is like--steaks, desert, and high school football. So when the mayor takes off to Mexico with his illegal immigrant Mexican boyfriend, it makes the news.

    http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2009/may/22/readers-react-mayor-online/

    Yet the citizens' reactions seem largely libertarian--his personal business is his own, and he was a good mayor. Quite a story.
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    Jun 15, 2009 5:03 PM GMT
    That is quite a story. Geez... icon_eek.gif
  • metalxracr

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    Jun 15, 2009 6:30 PM GMT
    I lived in San Angelo. Love that place and I miss it!! I think the Pop is more than 88 thousand and I lived near the lakes and the people are definitely very friendly. It's a big college town, I attended Angelo State University there for a bit.

    Sad to see him go.
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    Jun 15, 2009 8:53 PM GMT
    This is one of the quotes from the san angelo paper:

    “Three cheers for the guy who abandoned his responsibility to 100,000 people for a two-month-old relationship!”

    While many people seem to be very supportive of his decision, Ya gotta wonder.. why??

    Would you guys give up everything to move to a foreign country with someone you only had been dating two months?
  • jarhead5536

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    Jun 15, 2009 8:58 PM GMT
    It seems to me that if he was going to pursue a relationship with a man who cannot legally be in the US, as I recall was the case, then he cannot in good conscience remain a public official in any capacity. He would be endorsing breaking the law, no matter how you slice it. He said as much. Besides, $600 a year? Next...
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    Jun 15, 2009 9:00 PM GMT
    redheaded_dude saidThis is a wild story. San Angelo is, on its surface, exactly what many of you non-Texans think Texas is like--steaks, desert, and high school football. So when the mayor takes off to Mexico with his illegal immigrant Mexican boyfriend, it makes the news.
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    Yet the citizens' reactions seem largely libertarian--his personal business is his own, and he was a good mayor. Quite a story.

    Non-Texans won't believe it but there is a strong libertarian streak in Texans' attitudes. If they know you and you've earned their respect they will let your personal business be your business.
    But it's not reflected in their politics.
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    Jun 15, 2009 9:05 PM GMT
    Actually an old story, from a month ago. I know San Angelo. lived in nearby San Antonio 4 years, went there often. In Texas, the Mayor broke the law, so he resigned. You can't be gay in Texas. There are many laws that make it illegal. The sodomy law was overturned in the US Supreme Court, but lots of other Texas laws still make living together as a gay couple a crime.

    He had no choice, except to keep it a secret. I must assume he felt they were about to be exposed. Chalk another victory up to the Republicans.
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    Jun 15, 2009 9:08 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa said lots of other Texas laws still make living together as a gay couple a crime.

    There's a copy of the Texas Penal Code sitting on my desk and it seems to be missing the laws you're referring to.
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    Jun 15, 2009 9:12 PM GMT
    TexDef07 said
    Red_Vespa said lots of other Texas laws still make living together as a gay couple a crime.

    There's a copy of the Texas Penal Code sitting on my desk and it seems to be missing the laws you're referring to.

    You overlooked the provision that unmarried couples may not live together? It's seldom enforced, but still exists in law. And since gays may not marry in Texas, all gay couples are in violation of that law.
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    Jun 15, 2009 9:15 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa said You overlooked the provision that unmarried couples may not live together?

    Citation please?
    As a criminal lawyer I'm always interested in catching up with new legal developments.
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    Jun 15, 2009 9:30 PM GMT
    TexDef07 said
    Red_Vespa said You overlooked the provision that unmarried couples may not live together?

    Citation please?
    As a criminal lawyer I'm always interested in catching up with new legal developments.

    From your state's constitutional amendment:

    SECTION 1. Article I, Texas Constitution, is amended by adding Section 32 to read as follows:

    Sec. 32. (a) Marriage in this state shall consist only of the union of one man and one woman.
    (b) This state or a political subdivision of this state may not create or recognize any legal status identical or similar to marriage.
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    Jun 15, 2009 9:39 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa said
    TexDef07 said
    Red_Vespa said You overlooked the provision that unmarried couples may not live together?

    Citation please?
    As a criminal lawyer I'm always interested in catching up with new legal developments.

    From your state's constitutional amendment:

    SECTION 1. Article I, Texas Constitution, is amended by adding Section 32 to read as follows:

    Sec. 32. (a) Marriage in this state shall consist only of the union of one man and one woman.
    (b) This state or a political subdivision of this state may not create or recognize any legal status identical or similar to marriage.


    Wow, so Texas does even recognize "common law marriage" btw man and women.
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    Jun 15, 2009 9:50 PM GMT
    hombrehombre saidWow, so Texas does even recognize "common law marriage" btw man and women.

    Actually, yes. Texas has a rather extensive legal provision that recognizes common law marriages. I won't quote it here, but it seems to rely upon what the couple publicly presents.

    In other words, if they say they are husband and wife often and publicly enough, then they are. But that same recognition can never apply to same-sex couples. And you can still be fired from your job for being gay in Texas, and thrown out of your rental apartment for it, despite what our TexDef07 wants us to believe.

    I wonder what kind of lawyer he is, and what kind of law he practices? Clearly nothing of benefit to gays, and solely of benefit to Republican right-wing interests. But then don't we expect nothing else of lawyers?
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    Jun 16, 2009 12:08 AM GMT
    Red_Vespa said
    TexDef07 said
    Red_Vespa said You overlooked the provision that unmarried couples may not live together?

    Citation please?
    As a criminal lawyer I'm always interested in catching up with new legal developments.

    From your state's constitutional amendment:

    SECTION 1. Article I, Texas Constitution, is amended by adding Section 32 to read as follows:

    Sec. 32. (a) Marriage in this state shall consist only of the union of one man and one woman.
    (b) This state or a political subdivision of this state may not create or recognize any legal status identical or similar to marriage.

    Anyone who actually reads the text can plainly see the amendment has nothing to do with barring unmarried couples from living together. There is no statute barring cohabitation in the state, as you somehow imagine. If there were, it would come as a huge surprise to the millions of unmarried Texans happily cohabiting at this very moment. It would be even more of a surprise to the several Houston judges who cohabit with their same-sex partners.