A poll - Homosexuality: genetic or .. ?

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    Jun 15, 2009 10:45 PM GMT

    Help me with it -

    Lots of psychologists are convinced that homosexuality isn't genetic and is depending on the inviroment and the house the child grows in.

    So , Some questions about your parents' relationship while you were a child (2-6 years old) :

    -Was there lots of fights ?
    - Devorce?
    - Was the mother dominant ?

    Answer in Yes/ No

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    Jun 15, 2009 11:24 PM GMT
    About thirty years ago I bought a book, "The Unhappy Gays" by Christian psychologist Tim LaHaye. Last year I started a thread on this forum on the subject.
    LaHaye wrote that homosexuality was not genetic, and the primary causes were
    1. An absent or passive father.
    2. A domineering mother, or
    3. A smother mother.

    My own life history seem to back this up - at least partly. My father would have prefered a daughter, therefore he was very cool in showing affection when I was a young boy - although he was obsessed in me repeating the times table fluently. Mother was okay, but she wanted me to join the military "to make a man out of me".
    Seemed a normal family, yet I'm gay, while my younger brother is straight - could this be because dad was less strict with him than he was with me?
    There seem to be much talk lately about whether one is born gay as a result of the mother's womb and that most gays have an older brother. There is no scientific verification to that arguement, as with the case of twins, shown here recently on a video clip, one child is gay, the other is straight.
    Personally, I tend to lean on the idea that a homosexual is made from early childhood upbringing, and has no genetic connection.
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    Jun 15, 2009 11:50 PM GMT
    -Was there lots of fights ? Some

    - Divorce? Yes

    - Was the mother dominant ? Somewhat

    I personally think that sexuality is such a complex ball of yarn that it won't be simply determined to be biological, psychological, or social, but some combination of all those determinants.
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    Jun 15, 2009 11:52 PM GMT
    Lots of psychologists are convinced that homosexuality isn't genetic and is depending on the inviroment and the house the child grows in.

    Um.

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    Jun 16, 2009 12:12 AM GMT
    GHoSTic saidLots of psychologists are convinced that homosexuality isn't genetic and is depending on the inviroment and the house the child grows in.

    Please define "lots." This does not agree with the official position of the American Psychiatric Association. http://www.psych.org/

    The only psychiatrists that I know who support the position you propose are associated with Christian fundamentalist groups, who have anti-gay agendas. What is your purpose in posing this biased question?
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    Jun 16, 2009 2:16 AM GMT
    -Was there lots of fights ? Nope
    - Divorce? Yes
    - Was the mother dominant ? Yes (Father too laid-back very passive)
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    Jun 16, 2009 2:18 AM GMT
    Red_Vespa said
    GHoSTic saidLots of psychologists are convinced that homosexuality isn't genetic and is depending on the inviroment and the house the child grows in.

    Please define "lots." This does not agree with the official position of the American Psychiatric Association. http://www.psych.org/

    The only psychiatrists that I know who support the position you propose are associated with Christian fundamentalist groups, who have anti-gay agendas. What is your purpose in posing this biased question?


    I was totally going to keep quiet, since I'm a psychology major and I knew better. Thanks, Red. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jun 16, 2009 2:19 AM GMT
    I was born gay.. Tell me a mom who doesn't love her son? Sit through rain to watch a sons football game.. even though she hates sports..

    I mean if that was the case their'd be hardly any straight men at all.
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    Jun 16, 2009 2:21 AM GMT
    No
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    Yes
  • DCEric

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    Jun 16, 2009 2:23 AM GMT
    Two loving parents, who loved each other and their children. Taught that women were equal (emphasis on "equal"). So:

    No
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    Jun 16, 2009 2:42 AM GMT
    Probably since he cheated

    Yes, just before I was 2

    Yea, called her the colonel for the better part of my childhood. LOL But she did make sure there were strong male figures in my life, which eventually led to me becoming a big brother with Big Brothers/Big Sisters.
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    Jun 16, 2009 2:43 AM GMT
    Off the top of my head, recall that 52% of the time when one identical twin is gay... so is the other. That drops to 22% for fraternal twins and 11% for brothers.

    Not a lot of fights at that age.
    No divorce.
    Somewhat dominant mother (dad is a workaholic).
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    Jun 16, 2009 2:46 AM GMT
    Caesarea4 saidOff the top of my head, recall that 52% of the time when one identical twin is gay... so is the other. That drops to 22% for fraternal twins and 11% for brothers.

    Not a lot of fights at that age.
    No divorce.
    Somewhat dominant mother (dad is a workaholic).


    And also occurred in the males with older brothers with left-handedness. I thought that was interesting.
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    Jun 16, 2009 2:48 AM GMT
    No
    No
    Yes
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    Jun 16, 2009 2:49 AM GMT
    My Mom and Dad never fought in front of us

    They are still married after 37 years

    Dad was absolutely, totally in charge, period no exceptions.
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    Jun 16, 2009 2:52 AM GMT
    Red_Vespa said
    GHoSTic saidLots of psychologists are convinced that homosexuality isn't genetic and is depending on the inviroment and the house the child grows in.

    Please define "lots." This does not agree with the official position of the American Psychiatric Association. http://www.psych.org/

    The only psychiatrists that I know who support the position you propose are associated with Christian fundamentalist groups, who have anti-gay agendas. What is your purpose in posing this biased question?


    show me the genetic marker please?
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    Jun 16, 2009 3:01 AM GMT
    soulasphyxia> also occurred in the males with older brothers with left-handedness.

    I think we already did birth order (and finger length and hair swirl) in other topics.

    2nd child (older brother)
    right handed (but was confused as a child and often batted left-handed).

    I think that after having one son, my mom wanted a daughter. Still she'd dress me up in blue and people would come up and say: "what a beautiful baby, but why do you have her dressed up in blue"? I think this went on into my 2nd year.

    Now my sister just had a baby and she's bucking the color code. Even the picture of the new-born has the baby girl in a blue outfit. So now when I show it to people I get the "I thought you said it was a girl... why is she in blue?" questions. Hmmmm.
  • swimbikerun

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    Jun 16, 2009 3:05 AM GMT
    This has to be genetic:
  • DrobUA

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    Jun 16, 2009 3:22 AM GMT
    Some questions about your parents' relationship while you were a child (2-6 years old) :

    -Was there lots of fights ?
    - Devorce?
    - Was the mother dominant ?

    Answer in Yes/ No

    No
    No, parents have been happily married for 30 years.
    Not at all

    I think that saying it has to do with your environment is BS. There are some kids that you can see homosexual trends in at a very young age.
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    Jun 16, 2009 3:28 AM GMT
    -Was there lots of fights ?
    - Devorce?
    - Was the mother dominant ?

    1.) Not really, at least not until the last few months of their marriage.
    2.) Yes
    3.) No. Both parents were more involved in their own problems so they let me do as I pleased. :-)
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    Jun 16, 2009 3:51 AM GMT

    If it's true and my Mom-zilla really did make me gay, I'm not sure to hate her or hug her. Perhaps God's way of saying, "bad monster no grandkids for you." (she's my monster, and I love her),

    My mother may not have been the most gentile of God's creations, but my brother is straight, my nephew who she raised is too. Her sister and her cousins are far worse than she is and to the best of the family's knowledge, I am the only queer.

    I didn't choose this, up to age 23 I just knew I'd make a great daddy and show her I could raise a child that would respect me not because he feared me, but because he respected me.

    I had the will, but my body wouldn't work. I found it less and less excited by girls and the mind wasn't all that willing either. The mind is what empowers the sexual organs, you know.

    They just were broken, unless I was watching a maintenance man fix a sink or the roar of a motor bike engine drew me to my bedroom window. I'd watch them racing along and like magic, that part would start working. This was just their bikes and their silhouettes illuminated by the moonlight that did this. I couldn't see their faces or anything. If they were short, fat, or tall, I just knew they were men and that was enough.

    That wasn't taught to me by my mother. If it were, given the social stigma and my desire to be a good father, plus it cancels that, I would have unlearned it, the way I unlearned that I'm wrong all the time, that I might as well not bother because I can't do anything right, or that bad little boys go to hell.

    At this point, everything mother so called did to me is starting to wear off. The nitt-picking... the boyfriends are kinda all foggy like after you go swimming and step outside. Besides, I've forgiven her for all that. No, this isn't fall out.

    Like Sean-85 said, our parents love us, they wouldn't harm us on purpose. If they do things wrong or say harsh things, it's because of bad judgement or because they were taught the wrong thing and didn't reject it. My being gay can't be a choice because if it were, I'm giving up that happy home and that boy or girl for this. Giving up all of the flawed beliefs I accrued as a child for them could be easy. I don't think I could choose this unless it couldn't be helped. As people, I doubt something taught could overcast pure instinct to bear and raise children.

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    Jun 16, 2009 3:58 AM GMT
    -No
    -No
    -No
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    Jun 16, 2009 4:05 AM GMT
    I am curious among the hundreds of animal species that exhibit homosexual behaviour, which ones had divorced parents or dominant mothers?

    Also I wonder how many animal species suffer homophobia that causes the homosexual members of the species to be persecuted? My guess is that those animal species do not have oppressive religious or ideological beliefs that enable such self deception. It takes a very advanced brain and clever mind to fool itself in so many ways icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jun 16, 2009 4:13 AM GMT
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    Help me with it -

    Lots of psychologists are convinced that homosexuality isn't genetic and is depending on the inviroment and the house the child grows in.

    So , Some questions about your parents' relationship while you were a child (2-6 years old) :

    -Was there lots of fights ?
    - Devorce?
    - Was the mother dominant ?

    Answer in Yes/ No



    While I was 2-6 years old?

    No.
    No.
    Not really.
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    Jun 16, 2009 4:15 AM GMT
    Pfft. Talk about a skewed/biased sample. hee-hee

    Meanwhile, just give it some evolutionary based thought. If it were genetics alone, homosexuals would have been extinguished long ago due to non-reproduction, especially previous to the latter part of last century, eh? Yet, across all cultures, regardless of advocacy or lack thereof, homosexuality still exists. Now, you may be thinking: "Well, many gay men get married and reproduce (as well as lesbian women)!" Yeah, that would mean that all gay fathers (and/or lesbian mothers) have gay offspring (or at least sons or daughters) and, well, that's just not true by a longshot. This topic CAN'T be explained by genetics (or by social theory) alone and, resultantly, this quiz is relatively meaningless in any generalizable sense.