Breaking Obama story about gay rights - stay tuned

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    Jun 17, 2009 12:54 AM GMT
    Keith Olbermann just interrupted his nightly program to read a breaking story that President Obama will announce next week that "some" US Federal employees will receive same-sex domestic partner benefits, including health coverage. Stay tuned.

    I wonder if this is quick damage control after the bad press over DADT & DOMA? We shall see... Keep your eyes peeled for more news about this.
  • Menergy_1

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    Jun 17, 2009 1:01 AM GMT
    Waiting for details on THAT policy change for only "some" Federal employees. Talk about unequal treatments! I'll be the employee unions won't be silent on only someone else getting benefits. I wonder if it'll be the State Department domestic partners, since Hillary started making some motions in that direction.

    There was a broader appeal by the Officer of Personnel Management a little while ago during the new Administration's interviews and meeting with the various departments' and agencies' work forces which would have applied to all Federal civil servants.

    But I guess that's too broad an application and would deplete the "government's precious fiscal resources" (as mentioned in the DOMA brief filed by the DOJ supporting the appropriateness of DOMA).

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    Jun 17, 2009 1:10 AM GMT
    Fine. If it's the same as with any str8 fed employees who dont get benefits.

    Imagine:

    "some" [Black] US Federal employees

    "some" [Hispanic] US Federal employees

    "some" [female] US Federal employees

    What's with this piecemeal shit??? .... icon_evil.gif
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    Jun 17, 2009 1:15 AM GMT
    Let's see...this is something that could have been done at any time since Obama became President. No legislature is required, just an order from his desk. It is a good thing for the workers, but let's call it what it is, a lame attempt to mollify the critics of his "fierce advocacy" LGBT rights.

    Give me a break.
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    Jun 17, 2009 1:23 AM GMT
    I'm not sure how to interpret "some" employees, Olbermann's words, and I don't know if we should speculate too much before it's officially known. It could just mean that the military is exempt, since they are sometimes considered to be Federal employees, and there are too many legal hurdles like the UCMJ before gay prohibitions in the military can be fully removed for the immediate future.

    As I said -- stay tuned. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jun 17, 2009 1:39 AM GMT
    Rachel Maddow is saying O will extend benefits to same sex partners of fed employees STARTING TOMORROW! But this is a "memorandum" not an Executive Order.....whatever the distinction is....they are wondering if it will last past an O administration.

    I think he is responding to the Justice Dept brief for DOMA.

    This is probably the least they feel they could do...it affects the least people. So it will cause the least reaction in the country.
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    Jun 17, 2009 1:46 AM GMT
    Caslon11000 saidRachel Maddow is saying O will extend benefits to same sex partners of fed employees STARTING TOMORROW! But this is a "memorandum" not an Executive Order.....whatever the distinction is....they are wondering if it will last past an O administration.

    I think he is responding to the Justice Dept brief for DOMA.

    This is probably the least they feel they could do...it affects the least people. So it will cause the least reaction in the country.


    But he could have done this during his first weeks in office. It would not have taken any time at all, as we can see how this was hastily done.

    I guess I'll be writing more letter to the WH tomorrow.
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    Jun 17, 2009 1:47 AM GMT
    And now Rachel Maddow is coming out with more details. Apparently the White House announcement will come as early as tomorrow. And one White House correspondent is indeed suggesting this is a hasty reaction to the damaging filings on DOMA & DADT.

    It's also unclear how this can be done by Executive Order, since DOMA appears to specifically prohibit such benefits by Federal employes (despite the mistaken notion that DOMA is only about states rights, and marriage recognition among them, it actually also governs Federal policies dealing with marriage issues, like immigration, Social Security survivor benefits, etc)

    [EDIT: I was typing as I watched, and waited for the piece to be completed, and so missed that Caslon had already covered a good deal of this before I submitted]
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    Jun 17, 2009 1:52 AM GMT
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    Caslon11000 saidRachel Maddow is saying O will extend benefits to same sex partners of fed employees STARTING TOMORROW! But this is a "memorandum" not an Executive Order.....whatever the distinction is....they are wondering if it will last past an O administration.

    I think he is responding to the Justice Dept brief for DOMA.

    This is probably the least they feel they could do...it affects the least people. So it will cause the least reaction in the country.


    But he could have done this during his first weeks in office. It would not have taken any time at all, as we can see how this was hastily done.

    I guess I'll be writing more letter to the WH tomorrow.

    Call/write your congressman and senators, too. It will mean a lot if they hear that their constituents are reacting to all this....and it will mean something to O if his party starts giving blowback.

    Indeed, he could have done this immediately. Doing it now after he has pissed off the gay community and after large gay contributors are pulling out of fund raisers makes this look like a rushed move to try to throw a small bone to the gay community. I am NOT impressed and I am not placated.
  • styrgan

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    Jun 17, 2009 2:15 AM GMT
    Yeah, what a pitiful effort at damage control.
  • calibro

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    Jun 17, 2009 2:16 AM GMT
    I'm glad Obama is finally standing up... by taking a page from Hilary and stealing her thunder. Can I switch my vote for her?
  • coolarmydude

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    Jun 17, 2009 2:18 AM GMT
    Keep the pressure on!
  • styrgan

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    Jun 17, 2009 2:20 AM GMT
    calibro saidI'm glad Obama is finally standing up... by taking a page from Hilary and stealing her thunder. Can I switch my vote for her?


    Good to see everyone is seeing what the order on this ticket should have been...

    Unfortunately, when I was arguing for the merits of Clintonian experience last year, I was called crazy.

    So I'll take this opportunity to say that I told you so.
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    Jun 17, 2009 2:21 AM GMT
    If you want to put more pressure on Obama and the DNC, maybe you should also contact some of the people who are supposed at attend a LGBT fundraiser for the DNC and ask them to boycott. Some have already pulled out:

    BREAKING: HRC official & former top Clinton aide pull out of DNC gay fundraiser; Blade plans to photograph and video gay donors who attend
    by John Aravosis (DC) on 6/16/2009 04:23:00 PM
    UPDATE: Show Obama you mean business, donate to AMERICAblog.


    It's over, folks. A lot of us have been saying that if Marty Rouse, the Human Rights Campaign's National Field Director, were to pull his attendance from next week's DNC $1,000 a person gay fundraiser, then the fundraiser would effectively be dead. Well, HRC official Marty Rouse just pulled out as a result of the White House's homophobic DOMA brief in which they equated gay marriage to incest.

    The DNC was hawking the attendance of "HRC's Marty Rouse" for a few weeks now, among other gay luminaries, in order to build attendance at the event.

    A reliable source just sent me the text of a Facebook conversation he had with HRC National Field Director Marty Rouse. Rouse reported that he notified the DNC today that he would not be attending the fundraiser. Rouse was among a list of already-confirmed guests that the DNC was using to pump up interest in the fundraiser. Here's the list that DNC Treasure Andy Tobias sent our, per Pam's House Blend:

    If you CAN make the date, you'll be joining the Vice President of the United States . . .

    . . . along with Virginia Governor / DNC Chair Tim Kaine . . . immediate past DNC Chair Howard Dean . . . Chairman Barney Frank . . . Representatives Tammy Baldwin and Jared Polis . . . Vermont Senate President Pete Shumlin . . . District of Columbia Mayor Adrian Fenty . . . David Mixner . . . Richard Socarides . . . The Task Force's Rea Carey . . . HRC's Marty Rouse . . . ESPA's Alan Van Capelle . . . GLAD's Mary Bonauto . . . NBJC's Alexander Robinson . . . GMHC's Marjorie Hill . . . The Victory Fund's Chuck Wolfe . . . Towle Road's Andy Towle . . . Iraq Marine vet Brian Fricke (whom you may have seen on 60 Minutes) . . . Billy Bean . . . Joan Garry . . . Keith Boykin . . . Ray Buckley . . . Brian Johnson . . . Corey Johnson . . . Dixon Osburn . . . Paul Smith . . . Bruce Bastian . . . Mitchell Gold . . . Krystal Ball . . . and so many others, like YOU, who have been pushing the ball down the field for so long. (Well, Krystal is fairly new to this, but what a kick to have a pro-marriage CPA triathlete young mom running to unseat a conservative Republican in Virginia.)

    Rouse's departure ups to four the number of high profile gay politicos who have now dropped out of the event following the Justice Department's filing of a homophobic brief defending the Defense of Marriage Act last week. The other three people to pull out of the fundraiser are famous "friend of Bill Clinton" David Mixner, Alan Van Capelle (Executive Director of New York's largest gay group, the Empire State Pride Agenda), and top gay blogger Andy Towle.

    I've also just been told by former top Clinton aide Richard Socarides that he today informed the DNC that he will no longer be attending either.

    Kevin Naff, the editor of the Washington Blade, also tells me that the gay newspaper will be staking out the gay fundraiser next week, and will have a reporter with a camera and video at the hotel entrance to record guests as they enter the gay fundraiser.
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    Jun 17, 2009 2:21 AM GMT
    I wonder if I pay SOME of my taxes the Government would be OK with it?icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jun 17, 2009 2:22 AM GMT
    Woo hoo...That'll save me nearly $800 a month in health insurance, if it actually happens.
  • Tiller66

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    Jun 17, 2009 2:24 AM GMT
    Well I don't know about the rest of you but it's a little too late to even start this after his silence on the bigger issues.The way he's been treating LBGT issuses youy would almost think he's a Rep.icon_evil.gif
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    Jun 17, 2009 2:24 AM GMT
    ObsceneWish saidWoo hoo...That'll save me nearly $800 a month in health insurance, if it actually happens.

    Be careful....and be sure this will last very long....oh I guess you will get at least 3+ years.
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    Jun 17, 2009 2:30 AM GMT
    You know I think it has to do with some high level people working in govt. positions who are gay...

    Earlier this month sometime I read someting on huffpo that Hillary was calling for equal benefits for US gay diplomats. Why just diplomats? ,I axed


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/23/gay-us-diplomats-to-recei_n_207116.html

    Note: One former ambassador, Michael Guest, resigned from the foreign service in 2007 to protest the restrictions. Guest was a part of the Obama administration's State Department transition team and played a major role in lobbying for the changes.

    They can say and do whatever they think, but I am not settled until equality for all citizens is there in the form of federal recognition of same-sex marriage. They can put together a quilt of bullshit all fucking day long, IT IS WHAT WE HAVE HAD TO DO WITH ESTATE PLANNING, WILLS, AND TRUSTS AND BUYING INSURANCE AND THE LIKE FOR YEARS. It would be much easier if these bitches just fixed the GOD damned problem!




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    Jun 17, 2009 2:31 AM GMT
    Tiller66 saidWell I don't know about the rest of you but it's a little too late to even start this after his silence on the bigger issues.The way he's been treating LBGT issuses youy would almost think he's a Rep.icon_evil.gif
    You could be right there .. G.W. Bush actually signed a law that allowed same sex couples to share pension plans before he left office:
    http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/24/bush-gay-benefits/Yesterday, Bush signed into law the Worker, Retiree and Employer Recovery Act of 2008 (WRERA), requiring employers to allow employees to roll their retirement plans over to nonspouse partners. The Human Rights Campaign hailed the bill for allowing gay couples to share benefits:

    PPA [Pension Protection Act of 2006] made it possible for employers to allow any nonspouse beneficiary of an employee’s retirement plan—including an employee’s same-sex partner—to roll inherited retirement benefits directly to an individual retirement account (IRA) and avoid immediate taxation. WRERA requires that all employers provide this rollover opportunity to nonspouse beneficiaries.
    SO Obama is just now even with G.W. icon_sad.gif
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    Jun 17, 2009 2:37 AM GMT
    Find your congressman and senators here:

    http://www.congressmerge.com/onlinedb/
  • tsavage216

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    Jun 17, 2009 2:38 AM GMT
    It's getting kind of discouraging that the Democratic Party takes its lock on the gay vote for granted...baiting us along with empty promises...and tossing us just enough scraps so we don't go looking to the Libertarians for some real partners. With Obama I am really surprised he didn't do as much as he could for equal rights asap...but I guess something is better than no progress.
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    Jun 17, 2009 2:38 AM GMT
    medfordguy saidIf you want to put more pressure on Obama and the DNC, maybe you should also contact some of the people who are supposed at attend a LGBT fundraiser for the DNC and ask them to boycott. Some have already pulled out:

    BREAKING: HRC official & former top Clinton aide pull out of DNC gay fundraiser; Blade plans to photograph and video gay donors who attend
    by John Aravosis (DC) on 6/16/2009 04:23:00 PM
    UPDATE: Show Obama you mean business, donate to AMERICAblog.


    It's over, folks. A lot of us have been saying that if Marty Rouse, the Human Rights Campaign's National Field Director, were to pull his attendance from next week's DNC $1,000 a person gay fundraiser, then the fundraiser would effectively be dead. Well, HRC official Marty Rouse just pulled out as a result of the White House's homophobic DOMA brief in which they equated gay marriage to incest.

    The DNC was hawking the attendance of "HRC's Marty Rouse" for a few weeks now, among other gay luminaries, in order to build attendance at the event.

    A reliable source just sent me the text of a Facebook conversation he had with HRC National Field Director Marty Rouse. Rouse reported that he notified the DNC today that he would not be attending the fundraiser. Rouse was among a list of already-confirmed guests that the DNC was using to pump up interest in the fundraiser. Here's the list that DNC Treasure Andy Tobias sent our, per Pam's House Blend:

    If you CAN make the date, you'll be joining the Vice President of the United States . . .

    . . . along with Virginia Governor / DNC Chair Tim Kaine . . . immediate past DNC Chair Howard Dean . . . Chairman Barney Frank . . . Representatives Tammy Baldwin and Jared Polis . . . Vermont Senate President Pete Shumlin . . . District of Columbia Mayor Adrian Fenty . . . David Mixner . . . Richard Socarides . . . The Task Force's Rea Carey . . . HRC's Marty Rouse . . . ESPA's Alan Van Capelle . . . GLAD's Mary Bonauto . . . NBJC's Alexander Robinson . . . GMHC's Marjorie Hill . . . The Victory Fund's Chuck Wolfe . . . Towle Road's Andy Towle . . . Iraq Marine vet Brian Fricke (whom you may have seen on 60 Minutes) . . . Billy Bean . . . Joan Garry . . . Keith Boykin . . . Ray Buckley . . . Brian Johnson . . . Corey Johnson . . . Dixon Osburn . . . Paul Smith . . . Bruce Bastian . . . Mitchell Gold . . . Krystal Ball . . . and so many others, like YOU, who have been pushing the ball down the field for so long. (Well, Krystal is fairly new to this, but what a kick to have a pro-marriage CPA triathlete young mom running to unseat a conservative Republican in Virginia.)

    Rouse's departure ups to four the number of high profile gay politicos who have now dropped out of the event following the Justice Department's filing of a homophobic brief defending the Defense of Marriage Act last week. The other three people to pull out of the fundraiser are famous "friend of Bill Clinton" David Mixner, Alan Van Capelle (Executive Director of New York's largest gay group, the Empire State Pride Agenda), and top gay blogger Andy Towle.

    I've also just been told by former top Clinton aide Richard Socarides that he today informed the DNC that he will no longer be attending either.

    Kevin Naff, the editor of the Washington Blade, also tells me that the gay newspaper will be staking out the gay fundraiser next week, and will have a reporter with a camera and video at the hotel entrance to record guests as they enter the gay fundraiser.


    Thanks for the thorough post
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    Jun 17, 2009 2:40 AM GMT
    Bill Maher to Obama: Get off TV and work!

    http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/offbeat/2009/06/15/moos.maher.rant.cnn
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    Jun 17, 2009 3:27 AM GMT
    Caslon11000 said
    ObsceneWish saidWoo hoo...That'll save me nearly $800 a month in health insurance, if it actually happens.

    Be careful....and be sure this will last very long....oh I guess you will get at least 3+ years.


    Yeah, I'd have to have some serious reassurances before I left Kaiser after 10-plus years.

    At this point, I simply do not trust Obama and his administration. It's no coincidence that this occurs as a backlash is forming among big-money gay contributors to the Dem. party