Gays & Religion


  • Nov 18, 2007 4:22 PM GMT
    I thought I'd post this article I read this morning to show that not all religious people hate the gays.
    Obviously there's a lot of differences between what people think religions pertain and the so-called 'gay lifestyle' but I rarely see high ranking members of any religion speaking positively about us.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7100295.stm
  • HndsmKansan

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    Nov 18, 2007 6:55 PM GMT
    Fortunately not all denominations are negative. The Episcopal church (in which I was raised) has a gay & lesbian organization called "Integrity". Its excellent, very supportive and we meet in an episcopal church's rectory each month and have social activities as well.

    Hopefully things are changing. We can hope.
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    Nov 19, 2007 12:13 AM GMT
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  • MSUBioNerd

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    Nov 19, 2007 1:00 AM GMT
    Well, I'm definitely not religious, but I don't feel that's the fault of the church in which I was raised. The United Church of Christ is about as liberal as it's possible to be and remain a monotheistic religion--pastors of each gender, married to lay people and with children, openly gay couples in the church and having their unions blessed by the clergy, teaching that evolution was the means of creating the species and the whole Old Testament is parable anyway and therefore not to be taken literally, that the essence of the faith is to live according to the Golden Rule and as long as you've got that then the other details aren't very important, etc. The pastors were even fine with my expressed agnosticism, and never tried to force belief on me, feeling that if it was in my nature to question and doubt, that was fine as long as I was happy with it. For gay people who want to be part of a religious community, I'd recommend giving that denomination a shot. If the individual church I went to is a representative example, they welcome the full spectrum from the first time visitor through the see you once every year or so all the way up to the folks there every single week.

    If more religious people were like my former Pastor Kay, I'd be a lot happier with religion in general.
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    Nov 29, 2007 7:19 AM GMT
    Truth is MOST Christian people I have met don't hate gays. They may not agree with a homosexual lifestyle but they don't hate those people. The same people don't agree with sex before marriage of a heterosexual couple, but they don't hate a couple who does it. Disagreeing and hating are two very different things.

    I disagree with all the money my brother is spending on smoking and what he is doing to himself...I disagree with his lifestyle choice, but I don't hate him.
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    Jul 30, 2008 10:52 AM GMT
    I don't believe in higher powers of any kind, but aknowledge that there are a lot of people doing a lot of good and positive work in the world in the name of their religion, and I have much respect for those people.
    Desmond Tutu is probably my favourite 'church-person', he must be the nicest man in the world. I think he has enough love for every living organism in the universe LOL.
  • GQjock

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    Jul 30, 2008 11:02 AM GMT
    I'm not setting out to Dis anyone who holds religious views
    If that's what makes you happy
    to be in a structured religion
    so be it
    But for me religion's very nature is to exclude
    and sanctify everything you don't want in spirituality

    It squelches reason or dissent
    and tells you to be different in any way is "bad"
    and to do it tells you the most "god" awful lies
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    Jul 30, 2008 11:39 AM GMT
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7100295.stm


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    Jul 30, 2008 11:44 AM GMT
    GQjock saidI'm not setting out to Dis anyone who holds religious views
    If that's what makes you happy
    to be in a structured religion
    so be it
    But for me religion's very nature is to exclude
    and sanctify everything you don't want in spirituality

    It squelches reason or dissent
    and tells you to be different in any way is "bad"
    and to do it tells you the most "god" awful lies



    I'm a firm believer in God but whenever someone tells me not to do something because it's "bad", I just ignore it until I can look it up for myself. The last thing I want I or anyone else to do is to blindly follow someone claiming to be God's Word. ( Crusades anyone?)

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    Jul 30, 2008 2:33 PM GMT
    My respect for Desmond Tutu just shot waaaaay up. Good to hear some people aren't blinded.
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    Jul 30, 2008 2:40 PM GMT
    themapples saidI thought I'd post this article I read this morning to show that not all religious people hate the gays.
    I think this has always been true, people on either side of the argument get caught all up in emotional issues and never consider the reality .. that is everyone is a little different and even though we tend to gather into groups, we are really the same.
  • TallGWMvballe...

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    Jul 30, 2008 5:58 PM GMT
    Well, you followers of organized religions can say your particular flavor doesn't hate gay people BUT the majority of them openly DO preach hate (Fred Phelps comes to mind and others)

    All those fundamentalists and often mainstream religions say we are all going to hell. I have relatives in some born again cult that say the most hateful, harmful things in their sermons which encourage anti gay legislation, treatment AND lay the foundation for gay bashing, killings etc.

    I really wish people would use intellect and reason to examine what people say is the word of god. Since the beginning of time religion has been used to control people's behavior and bring wealth and power to those who make up the rules of this non logical, non scientific view of life.
  • kinetic

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    Jul 30, 2008 6:22 PM GMT
    Sedative saidMy respect for Desmond Tutu just shot waaaaay up. Good to hear some people aren't blinded.


    I wanna give him a hug!
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    Jul 30, 2008 7:04 PM GMT
    kinetic said
    Sedative saidMy respect for Desmond Tutu just shot waaaaay up. Good to hear some people aren't blinded.


    I wanna give him a hug!


    Me too! icon_biggrin.gif