Obama gives same-sex benefits to fed employees

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    Jun 17, 2009 6:11 AM GMT
    I saw an earlier thread about things that someone dislikes about Obama. These seems especially positive. Check it out. I like the guy more and more.

    AP source: Same-sex partners to get fed benefits
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090617/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_gay_benefits
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    Jun 17, 2009 6:16 AM GMT
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    Jun 17, 2009 6:25 AM GMT
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090617/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_gay_benefits
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    Jun 17, 2009 8:20 AM GMT
    Well, it's a start.
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    Jun 17, 2009 10:17 AM GMT
    So what? Is this supposed to make up for his lack of follow-through on far more important issues? Please.
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    Jun 17, 2009 11:40 AM GMT
    Oh, goody. Now all I have to do is get a shitty job with the Federal Government and find a boyfriend.

    Ach...such a deal.
  • coolarmydude

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    Jun 17, 2009 12:03 PM GMT
    The question is, will the DOMA brief still be maintained by the Obama adminstration?
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    Jun 17, 2009 12:15 PM GMT
    This is how larger things get started. In almost every municipality and state that offers some sort of recognition of same-sex couples the first step was extending benefits to their employees.

    Even if Obama isn't our biggest supported right now, this bodes well for future action.
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    Jun 17, 2009 12:55 PM GMT
    GwgTrunks saidWell, it's a start.


    And a weak one at best. This is his transparent attempt to calm the anger over the DOMA brief. It has calmed me one bit.

    It seems he responds to pressure, so we have to keep the pressure up. If we're "like, oh thank you for these crumbs" nothing else will get done."

    Yeah, I'm angry and bitter, that how I react when I'm being playedicon_mad.gif
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    Jun 17, 2009 1:06 PM GMT
    Good for him.
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    Jun 17, 2009 1:19 PM GMT
    pdx_traveler saidI saw an earlier thread about things that someone dislikes about Obama. These seems especially positive. Check it out. I like the guy more and more.

    AP source: Same-sex partners to get fed benefits
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090617/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_gay_benefits


    I have to disagree.

    This is the equivalent of:
    Your boyfriend going behind your back and barebacking some other guy, giving you herpes and then giving you a gift card for $100. Sure, having a $100 gift card is a positive thing, right?

    Obama is stopping short of extending full medical benefits.

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12852.html

    The gesture itself shows that he agrees that it is the right thing to do, but in the same vein he will deny medical benefits?

    And then.... his campaign sends me an e-mail asking to support his heathcare reform by donating to it? When he says that no American should be without healthcare coverage--its one of his pet causes!

    How does it feel to be less than others under the law?
    Get Mad and don't put up with this shit!

    "Joe Solmonese, president of the Human Rights Campaign, wrote a sharply-worded letter to the president, and told the press, "Same-sex couples and their families are not seeking subsidies. We pay taxes equally, contribute to our communities equally, support each other equally, pay equally into Social Security, and participate equally in our democracy. Equal protection is not a handout. It is our right as citizens."




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    Jun 17, 2009 1:44 PM GMT
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    Or go to www.hrc.org, click the Laws & Elections tab and then Your Elected Officials tab. Put your elected officials on notice and this includes Dems, Repubs and Independents.
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    Jun 17, 2009 1:57 PM GMT
    ErikTaurean said
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    Or go to www.hrc.org, click the Laws & Elections tab and then Your Elected Officials tab. Put your elected officials on notice and this includes Dems, Repubs and Independents.


    Thanks Eric, very useful link.

    For the RJer's in SF, you guys do have a lot of power since Nancy Pelosi is from there. Tell her you are ready to vote against her in the upcoming primaries if action on LGBT is taken up NOW! And boycott all fundraisers for her. I can send a message to her too, but messages from her own constituency are far more influential.
  • Cdnontherun

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    Jun 17, 2009 1:58 PM GMT
    I agree with coolarmydud and medfordguy. These crumbs don't fix the vile defense of DOMA that was put out last week. If he didn't want to support us, ok, but don't add wood to the rightwingnut's fire. The brief perpetuated ignorance and was totally unnecessary. This does nothing to address immigration rights, the tax system, child responsibilities, the HIV ban, or any other thing that marriage could take care of. Also, don't forget that as is usually the case, these benefits will be considered income for the person working in federal gov. and therefore will be taxed as such. I still support this president on larger issues or at least will give him the benefit of the doubt; however, I think that his true colors with regard to the rights of gay and lesbian folks are now pretty clear.
  • Tiller66

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    Jun 17, 2009 2:01 PM GMT
    Well I just seen a report that his so called extention of benifits to same-sex partners does'nt include health benifits.FAIL
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    Jun 17, 2009 2:05 PM GMT
    It doesn't include healthcare benefits. That requires a change in the law which congress must do. See my post in medford's post or my post above his. Saying it here doesn't do anything.
  • calibro

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    Jun 17, 2009 2:35 PM GMT
    ErikTaurean saidIt doesn't include healthcare benefits. That requires a change in the law which congress must do. See my post in medford's post or my post above his. Saying it here doesn't do anything.


    Which is exactly why he chose this route. He gets to say he is for the gays, without having to do anything that gives a real impact to us. It's a cop out to say it's not his fault because it takes a Congressional Act to bestow benefits; of course he and his staff know this! Why in the world would you willingly do such a minute act when he could say suspend the DADT hearings? Because he's quelling our rage. Look how frazzled he is because we started to fight back with our words... let's not defend this bone he's thrown us and instead continue to be angry and keep the pressure on in hopes that we finally get our just due.
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    Jun 17, 2009 2:53 PM GMT
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    ErikTaurean saidIt doesn't include healthcare benefits. That requires a change in the law which congress must do. See my post in medford's post or my post above his. Saying it here doesn't do anything.


    Which is exactly why he chose this route. He gets to say he is for the gays, without having to do anything that gives a real impact to us. It's a cop out to say it's not his fault because it takes a Congressional Act to bestow benefits; of course he and his staff know this! Why in the world would you willingly do such a minute act when he could say suspend the DADT hearings? Because he's quelling our rage. Look how frazzled he is because we started to fight back with our words... let's not defend this bone he's thrown us and instead continue to be angry and keep the pressure on in hopes that we finally get our just due.


    I did not say anywhere in that post anything about defending this memorandum. I just stated fact. I am not fuel the anger any more than it already is building in an anti-Obama when in fact it should be Pro Civil Rights rage and it is not the same thing.
  • calibro

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    Jun 17, 2009 2:59 PM GMT
    ErikTaurean said

    I did not say anywhere in that post anything about defending this memorandum. I just stated fact. I am not fuel the anger any more than it already is building in an anti-Obama when in fact it should be Pro Civil Rights rage and it is not the same thing.


    No, after that memo on Friday and his failure to follow through on his campaign promises, some anti-Obama rage is in order (in conjunction with the pro civil rights rage)
  • HndsmKansan

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    Jun 17, 2009 3:19 PM GMT
    Well at least its a beginning. I'm willing to give him a few more months to see whats transpires. I realize that many would expect him to move "heaven and earth" since he's been in there 6 months..... I am glad we are finally seeing some degree of action.
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    Jun 17, 2009 3:23 PM GMT
    Right. I'm not defending his inaction, but do we need neon lights and flashing signs that remind folks.

    He is the president. He is not the Second Coming.
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    Jun 17, 2009 3:25 PM GMT
    xuaerb saidObama is stopping short of extending medical benefits.

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12852.html


    That is unclear at this point. AP is reporting that he will include health but Advocate (the source Pinknews used) only speculates that health may not be included.

    But, we will see in six hours what the mother fucker does.
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    Jun 17, 2009 3:32 PM GMT
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    xuaerb saidObama is stopping short of extending medical benefits.

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-12852.html


    That is unclear at this point. AP is reporting that he will include health but Advocate (the source Pinknews used) only speculates that health may not be included.

    But, we will see in six hours what the mother fucker does.



    Sorry, I realize pink news is not the best of references...here are some others...I also edited my previous post to include the word "full" in front of medical benefits, so I don't mislead anyone. Also, good point; I wouldn't be surprised if he changed his mind three more times before any official announcement.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/17/us/politics/17gays.html

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090617/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_gay_benefits
  • metta

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    Jun 17, 2009 3:39 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidWell at least its a beginning. I'm willing to give him a few more months to see whats transpires. I realize that many would expect him to move "heaven and earth" since he's been in there 6 months..... I am glad we are finally seeing some degree of action.


    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/555299/
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    Jun 17, 2009 5:04 PM GMT
    xuaerb saidSorry, I realize pink news is not the best of references...here are some others...I also edited my previous post to include the word "full" in front of medical benefits, so I don't mislead anyone. Also, good point; I wouldn't be surprised if he changed his mind three more times before any official announcement.


    Thanks for the link.

    While it does say there is legal uncertainty about extending full rights, I have heard that song and dance from the administration before (like saying DADT requires legislative action before he can do anything).

    Still, baby steps. Obama has an aggressive agenda before session ends and this measly little breadcrumb is better than nothing.