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    Jun 17, 2009 9:34 PM GMT
    I was just wondering if anyone can answer my questions?

    -When you fill out a job application.Why do they ask for your race? why do they need to know it?


    -Why are there college Scholarships for people that are Asian-American,African-American, or Native-American??


    -Why do people call themselves Mexican-American,African-American,Asian-American? wouldn't you just be American with one of those descents.because something like African-American reminds me of someone with dual citizenship.

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    Jun 17, 2009 9:50 PM GMT
    lenoxx saidI was just wondering if anyone can answer my questions?

    -When you fill out a job application.Why do they ask for your race? why do they need to know it?

    . They do this usually for status/census purposes. They need to know for references I believe. It's the same thing when they look at your Resume and saw what you did.


    -Why are there college Scholarships for people that are Asian-American,African-American, or Native-American??

    . Because there are students who are extremely bright from these background and others background that can not afford tuition for college - they do this to motivate people from a particular race to work/study hard and strive later in life.



    -Why do people call themselves Mexican-American,African-American,Asian-American? wouldn't you just be American with one of those descents.because something like African-American reminds me of someone with dual citizenship.

    . It goes back to appreciating your own cultures. People called themselves this because yes they live in America - but some do maintain their own traditional cultures. There is no one pure "American" race is there? It's the same thing for Caucasians (Italian-American, British-American, French-Canadian, Spanish-American, German-American ... etc) and so on. The beauty of this country is - there's a lot of freedom and mixed multi-cultures languages. You don't necessary have to follow one or the others.


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    Jun 17, 2009 9:53 PM GMT
    Part of the reason is that employers and government agencies must track racial background to comply with US law. Your employer or college may not really give a damn themselves, but the Feds and State governments are looking for instances of discrimination against minority groups.

    There are also special funding & grant programs available for some of these groups, particularly in higher education, which can be both public & private.

    I can't answer your other questions.
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    Jun 17, 2009 11:05 PM GMT
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    SexySwimmer saidWhy are there college Scholarships for people that are Asian-American,African-American, or Native-American?

    Very often scholarships are not funded by the schools, but by private individuals, often from money left in a will. The donor of a scholarship can specify who qualifies for it---and often it's someone from a particular race or ethnic group who wants to help specifically others like him or herself.

    Exactly, as I noted above. I used to be a University Assistant Registrar, and while not my own job, I was aware of the efforts of the Student Financial Aid advisors who tried to match students with appropriate aid for them.

    Some of the areas were remarkably specialized and unusual. There was money provided by the American Legion, VFW and DAV for the children of US military vets. Women's gardening groups gave money to female students, even bowling leagues had grants. You name the group, or company, or private individual, and they could set up something for students, who, as jrichva states, could set their own criteria for the award.

    Sometimes the University could make the award in their name, other times the entity itself did. But when the University did, we had to know which applicants or current members of the student body met them, hence the information we gathered. (Although some were "advertised" grants or scholarships, which the students had to shop for themselves)

    A lot of these are listed online, and I used to tell my student advisees where to find them. If any college students here in the US aren't already aware of that, I encourage you to check, and see your Student Financial Aid Office.
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    Jun 18, 2009 12:47 AM GMT
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    lenoxx saidI was just wondering if anyone can answer my questions?

    -When you fill out a job application.Why do they ask for your race? why do they need to know it?

    . They do this usually for status/census purposes. They need to know for references I believe. It's the same thing when they look at your Resume and saw what you did.


    -Why are there college Scholarships for people that are Asian-American,African-American, or Native-American??

    . Because there are students who are extremely bright from these background and others background that can not afford tuition for college - they do this to motivate people from a particular race to work/study hard and strive later in life.



    -Why do people call themselves Mexican-American,African-American,Asian-American? wouldn't you just be American with one of those descents.because something like African-American reminds me of someone with dual citizenship.

    . It goes back to appreciating your own cultures. People called themselves this because yes they live in America - but some do maintain their own traditional cultures. There is no one pure "American" race is there? It's the same thing for Caucasians (Italian-American, British-American, French-Canadian, Spanish-American, German-American ... etc) and so on. The beauty of this country is - there's a lot of freedom and mixed multi-cultures languages. You don't necessary have to follow one or the others.




    I totally agree
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    Jun 18, 2009 1:36 AM GMT
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    SexySwimmer said
    lenoxx saidI was just wondering if anyone can answer my questions?

    -Why do people call themselves Mexican-American,African-American,Asian-American? wouldn't you just be American with one of those descents.because something like African-American reminds me of someone with dual citizenship.

    . It goes back to appreciating your own cultures. People called themselves this because yes they live in America - but some do maintain their own traditional cultures. There is no one pure "American" race is there? It's the same thing for Caucasians (Italian-American, British-American, French-Canadian, Spanish-American, German-American ... etc) and so on. The beauty of this country is - there's a lot of freedom and mixed multi-cultures languages. You don't necessary have to follow one or the others.




    I totally agree


    This is such a bunch of f*$*$*$* B.S.

    What the hell culture are you talking about?! if you are born in America then that is your bloody culture! African Americans???? Africa is actually a continent and every country there has a different culture - so which culture exactly are you being proud of?!?!? Only in America!!!!!! This is one of the inane things that constantly amazes me. Guys introduce themselves as Italians- Were born in Brooklyn and have never left except to cross the bridge into Manhattan a couple of times per year. Don't speak a word of Italian and call themselve Italian. Give me a freaking break!

    You are born in America and grow up in America - you are an American and America is your culture! icon_twisted.gificon_evil.gif

    Sometimes I wonder how come this f*#*#*# last as long as it has!?!?!?!

    Rant over
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    Jun 18, 2009 3:31 AM GMT
    Forgive my politically-incorrect view of the status quo and also take care to note the patriotic colors.

    SexySwimmer said
    lenoxx saidI was just wondering if anyone can answer my questions?

    -When you fill out a job application.Why do they ask for your race? why do they need to know it?

    . They do this usually for status/census purposes. They need to know for references I believe. It's the same thing when they look at your Resume and saw what you did.

    Actually, it's all affirmative action, EEOC, and tax breaks.


    -Why are there college Scholarships for people that are Asian-American,African-American, or Native-American??


    . Because there are students who are extremely bright from these background and others background that can not afford tuition for college - they do this to motivate people from a particular race to work/study hard and strive later in life.


    More or less. And you can give a scholarship for any other reason you like (though this is probably one of the more legitimate ones).


    -Why do people call themselves Mexican-American,African-American,Asian-American? wouldn't you just be American with one of those descents.because something like African-American reminds me of someone with dual citizenship.

    It goes back to appreciating your own cultures. People called themselves this because yes they live in America - but some do maintain their own traditional cultures. There is no one pure "American" race is there? It's the same thing for Caucasians (Italian-American, British-American, French-Canadian, Spanish-American, German-American ... etc) and so on. The beauty of this country is - there's a lot of freedom and mixed multi-cultures languages. You don't necessary have to follow one or the others.

    It's "not offensive" but brings more attention to meaningless differences on both a personal and "group" level, thus backfiring in the face of "universal acceptance".
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    Jun 18, 2009 3:56 AM GMT
    One answer bro *RACISM* and its a dam shame it exist in the world todayicon_exclaim.gificon_twisted.gif There is no need to seperate or point out a color,race or creed of anyone, it does not add up. We see each other every dayicon_eek.gif
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    Jun 18, 2009 4:16 AM GMT

    This is America, the melting pot. We are individuals (people/groups), but we are one. In order for that to make any sense, we have to be recognized as what we are. Just from a social standpoint, to name everyone American doesn't make sense to me. All of the individual cultures that make up America have so many interesting and wondrous attributes. I'd never want any of it muted.

    Doing that to it mutes its integrity. Foreign people migrated/migrate here and it is still known as the land of promise, but they still love and draw inspiration from their homelands. Most left because of injustice, but that doesn't mean they don't want to be what they are anymore. Being American should never be about not being who you are...whoever/whatever that is. It's because of America's policies that people are free to be/ identify, claim the name of whatever they want. You talk about what "American" is, being able to recognize your roots/culture/race/identification is the most American thing I can think of.

    As far as why is race asked for on certain documents like applications and such, well, it's for identification purposes. You know, identification: what if you were working at a place and the FBI wanted to question a dangerous criminal who just so happened to be working along side you? How far do you expect them to get asking: "I'm looking for an American man, he has American skin, American eyes, and American hair?"

    Race should be a source of pride. As humans, we do thrive from a little healthy competition and affiliation. That Native American scholarship is for Native American students who have excelled, an African American scholarship, like wise. Why exactly is having your affiliation recognized, offensive?

    African American: this is a term I love. For one thing, it's better than being called black and for another, it does something many of my race fail to do: recognize their roots, recognize their affiliation. You say duel citizenship, well it sorta is. We have unfinished business in Africa. We didn't leave willingly and our children were not given a choice, to either identify with Africa, America, or both. For me, the term symbolizes that ability to choose, which didn't exist in the past, every time I hear it. Being born American doesn't, for me, erase history, erase ancestry, origins, nothing. In a way, the whole situation is demonstrative of the America you think you want: black children being taught the history and culture of other people. Yeah, I know there is a lesson on Martin Luther King during Black History Month every year, but that doesn't even scratch the surface of our culture or identity. That's history. For those of you who went to a good school, congratulations, but for most black people, self education is just about the only way they'll learn about Africa, which is where their ancestry probably is.

    Anyway, you are biracial; you should be having a field day exploring and dissecting both facets of what and who you are. Your race has a LOT to do with who you are, in ways, shaped it. You live in America, but you aren't American because America is made up of too many things. The term "American" is just for identification purposes, I think, anyway. You’re American because you live in America now who are you?

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    Jun 18, 2009 4:40 AM GMT
    1. -Civil Rights Act of 1964, prohibits racial discrimination and employers can be severely penalized if found to have engaged in discriminiation based on race. Usually, this is an optional question and employers use it to proactively report back to the EEOC. Among other things, it helps companies be inclusive and representative of the populations they serve.

    2. -The groups you mention are not exhaustive. My point is that for minorities that have been identified or shown to not show up in the populations at certain universities (statistically relevent to the population the university serves) or there is perhaps a mandate to reach out to those groups for some other social injustice. It differs from institution to institution and it is a part of what used to generally be called affirmative action.

    Also Title VI of Civil Rights Act of 1964, prevents discrimination by government agencies that receive federal funding. If an agency is found in violation of Title VI, that agency can lose its federal funding.

    The protected classes are: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_class

    Assume that employers and universities are trying to comply with the above, and your answers help them, and yes there are tax incentive to those who comply.

    3. because this is america and you can be anything you want to be, except gay, that is not a protected class. (at the federal level)

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    Jun 18, 2009 5:04 AM GMT
    Actually, I thought America was a continent, not a country. I was born in the United States of America as in the North American Continent. To say a person is American doesn't actually define what country your from and leaves out the Canadians and the various countries in the South American continent.
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    Jun 18, 2009 5:13 AM GMT
    GuiltyGear> All of the individual cultures that make up America have so many interesting and wondrous attributes. I'd never want any of it muted.

    That's diversity!


    GuiltyGear> This is America, the melting pot.

    Is it just Ann Arbor where, decades ago, I learned in like Jr. High that the "melting pot" was out and the "salad bowl" was in?

    We're not all thrown into the blender or melting pot and come out as one heterogenous goo. We are a salad bowl. With some peppers of various colors, come cukes (settle down!), some radishes, a tomato here and a tomAhto there, some fresh fruit... and various toasted nuts to boot.

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    Jun 18, 2009 6:27 AM GMT
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    GuiltyGear> This is America, the melting pot.

    Is it just Ann Arbor where, decades ago, I learned in like Jr. High that the "melting pot" was out and the "salad bowl" was in?

    We're not all thrown into the blender or melting pot and come out as one heterogenous goo. We are a salad bowl. With some peppers of various colors, come cukes (settle down!), some radishes, a tomato here and a tomAhto there, some fresh fruit... and various toasted nuts to boot.



    I wouldn't say salad because all of a salad's ingredients are easily identifiable and discernable. In America, ingredients were mixed long ago and many others are added everyday. Some of the ingredients meld well and others clash. Some elements you add to the pot, change once added and others are more resilient. Some change only if combined with another.
    The bitter/sweet/hot/sour/salty/ordinary/exotic/WTF flavor you get is much more like a soup or a stew, not a salad.
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    Caesarea4 saidGuiltyGear> All of the individual cultures that make up America have so many interesting and wondrous attributes. I'd never want any of it muted.

    That's diversity!


    GuiltyGear> This is America, the melting pot.

    Is it just Ann Arbor where, decades ago, I learned in like Jr. High that the "melting pot" was out and the "salad bowl" was in?

    We're not all thrown into the blender or melting pot and come out as one heterogenous goo. We are a salad bowl. With some peppers of various colors, come cukes (settle down!), some radishes, a tomato here and a tomAhto there, some fresh fruit... and various toasted nuts to boot.



    melting pot?!?!? that's being disengenuous. it's more like a tossed salad!
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    Jun 18, 2009 3:18 PM GMT
    MadeNUSA saidWhat the hell culture are you talking about?! if you are born in America then that is your bloody culture!


    MadeNUSA saidmelting pot?!?!? that's being disengenuous. it's more like a tossed salad!


    These two things contradict each other. Just so you know.
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    Jun 18, 2009 4:26 PM GMT
    If someone is going to quote an entire post, maybe they should read it first...?

    GuiltyGear> This is America, the melting pot.

    Caesarea4> Is it just Ann Arbor where, decades ago, I learned in like Jr. High that the "melting pot" was out and the "salad bowl" was in?

    GuiltyGear> more like a soup or a stew, not a salad

    MadeNUSA> melting pot?!?!? that's being disengenuous. it's more like a tossed salad!

    Soup sounds like you might drown, so I'll go with stew.
    With beef and carrots and....
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    Jun 18, 2009 5:47 PM GMT

    Damn, I think you bitches are just hungry! icon_razz.gificon_smile.gificon_redface.gificon_surprised.gif

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    Jun 18, 2009 5:54 PM GMT
    jprichva said

    Some people are sweet, some sour, some tart, and other just plain crusty.


    You forgot "hung." Some people are hung. I like those ones.

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    Jun 18, 2009 5:57 PM GMT
    jprichva said
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    Some people are sweet, some sour, some tart, and other just plain crusty.


    You forgot "hung." Some people are hung. I like those ones.



    Hm. Now where does that fit into the pie schema?


    As in "And what desserts are on the menu this evening? Oh, I will have the strawberry-rhubarb pie. Thank you my ridiculously hung waiter."
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    Jun 18, 2009 6:01 PM GMT
    That should be under the volunteering of information section.... I never fill mine out, but then again the never have what I prefer
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    Jun 18, 2009 6:22 PM GMT
    jprichva said
    danisnotstr8 said
    jprichva said

    Some people are sweet, some sour, some tart, and other just plain crusty.


    You forgot "hung." Some people are hung. I like those ones.



    Hm. Now where does that fit into the pie schema?


    I would say pie a la mode

    some are hot
    some are cold
    some are sweet
    some are bland
    some are flaky
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    Jun 18, 2009 6:27 PM GMT
    I agree with GuiltyGear entirely. Not a salad bowl, it's gumbo! You can discern the ingredients but they've been changed and influenced by what's around them.
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    Jun 18, 2009 6:31 PM GMT
    GG> I think you bitches are just hungry!

    Me? Nah. I just had a bagel.
    An everything bagel.