Can Obama Win Back the Gay Community?

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    Jun 17, 2009 10:14 PM GMT
    This DOMA/DADT issue has now gotten the attention of major news organizations and their political analysts.

    http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/thegaggle/archive/2009/06/17/can-obama-win-back-the-gay-community.aspx
  • roadbikeRob

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    Jun 17, 2009 10:34 PM GMT
    I think President Obama is still basically an ally and friend of the gay community. Just because he disagrees with us on one issue does not make him ignorant or homophobic. Some of us gays are too stuck on that one issue of marital equality. There are other more important, pressing issues facing our country and some of you guys just cannot forgive Obama for having an opinion on gay marriage. We have a troubled economy, a health care crisis, and environmental issues to worry about first. Plus we have to worry about that fascist nutcase in North Korea trying to develop nuclear weapons. I think gay marriage can wait a while.
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    Jun 17, 2009 10:42 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidI think President Obama is still basically an ally and friend of the gay community. Just because he disagrees with us on one issue does not make him ignorant or homophobic. Some of us gays are too stuck on that one issue of marital equality. There are other more important, pressing issues facing our country and some of you guys just cannot forgive Obama for having an opinion on gay marriage. We have a troubled economy, a health care crisis, and environmental issues to worry about first. Plus we have to worry about that fascist nutcase in North Korea trying to develop nuclear weapons. I think gay marriage can wait a while.

    Bullshit! The Obama administration filed a brief in court that equated gay relationships to incest and pedophilia. We cant let that go unchallenged. Others will be able to point to the statement in the future and use it against us. ....and this was said by our friends?!?!?!?! ... icon_eek.gif

    None of those other issues you cite have any bearing on such a statement.
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    Jun 17, 2009 10:47 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidI think President Obama is still basically an ally and friend of the gay community. Just because he disagrees with us on one issue does not make him ignorant or homophobic. Some of us gays are too stuck on that one issue of marital equality. There are other more important, pressing issues facing our country and some of you guys just cannot forgive Obama for having an opinion on gay marriage. We have a troubled economy, a health care crisis, and environmental issues to worry about first. Plus we have to worry about that fascist nutcase in North Korea trying to develop nuclear weapons. I think gay marriage can wait a while.

    No one is asking Obama to legalize gay marriage throughout the US. You're buying into another Republican distortion meant to confuse voters.

    Rescinding DOMA is about letting married gay couples in several states have the same equal treatment under the law that all Americans receive. Their states, which Republicans say should always determine marriage rules as a matter of states rights, have given them the right to marry.

    But the Republican-authored DOMA says this is the exception that really doesn't count. Yes, it's all about states rights, until gays get some rights, and then the Federal government steps in to break it up. No Social Security benefits, no recognition across state lines, no joint Federal tax returns, etc.

    And we are still waiting for Obama's CURRENT position on DADT, not what he said while campaigning. That one has nothing to do with marriage. We're at war right now. I think allowing qualified people to serve their country with needed skills is very much an "important and pressing issue." One that affects not just gays, but all Americans.
  • Menergy_1

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    Jun 18, 2009 12:06 AM GMT
    Well said, Red Vespa!
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    Jun 18, 2009 12:08 AM GMT
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    roadbikeRob saidI think President Obama is still basically an ally and friend of the gay community. Just because he disagrees with us on one issue does not make him ignorant or homophobic. Some of us gays are too stuck on that one issue of marital equality. There are other more important, pressing issues facing our country and some of you guys just cannot forgive Obama for having an opinion on gay marriage. We have a troubled economy, a health care crisis, and environmental issues to worry about first. Plus we have to worry about that fascist nutcase in North Korea trying to develop nuclear weapons. I think gay marriage can wait a while.

    Bullshit! ...

    None of those other issues you cite have any bearing on such a statement.


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    Jun 18, 2009 12:16 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidI think President Obama is still basically an ally and friend of the gay community. Just because he disagrees with us on one issue does not make him ignorant or homophobic. Some of us gays are too stuck on that one issue of marital equality. There are other more important, pressing issues facing our country and some of you guys just cannot forgive Obama for having an opinion on gay marriage. We have a troubled economy, a health care crisis, and environmental issues to worry about first. Plus we have to worry about that fascist nutcase in North Korea trying to develop nuclear weapons. I think gay marriage can wait a while.


    If only history went something like this...

    Dear African Americans in the 60s,

    The Vietnam War is going on, and well, you know, that's an important issue.... way more important than your civil rights. So when we fix the big stuff, then we'll see if there's time to make you equal citizens under the law. But please don't lose hope and vote for me again.

    Your Pal in the White House,
    Lydon B Johnson
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    Jun 18, 2009 12:26 AM GMT
    calibro said
    roadbikeRob saidI think President Obama is still basically an ally and friend of the gay community. Just because he disagrees with us on one issue does not make him ignorant or homophobic. Some of us gays are too stuck on that one issue of marital equality. There are other more important, pressing issues facing our country and some of you guys just cannot forgive Obama for having an opinion on gay marriage. We have a troubled economy, a health care crisis, and environmental issues to worry about first. Plus we have to worry about that fascist nutcase in North Korea trying to develop nuclear weapons. I think gay marriage can wait a while.


    If only history went something like this...

    Dear African Americans in the 60s,

    The Vietnam War is going on, and well, you know, that's an important issue.... way more important than your civil rights. So when we fix the big stuff, then we'll see if there's time make you equal citizens under the law. But please don't lose hope and vote for me again.

    Your Pal in the White House,
    Lydon B Johnson


    PS: You're nearly savages anyway.

    LBJ

    (yes, Obama WENT THAT FAR)
  • calibro

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    Jun 18, 2009 12:32 AM GMT
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  • ep83

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    Jun 18, 2009 12:39 AM GMT
    CaslonThe Obama administration filed a brief in court that equated gay relationships to incest and pedophilia.


    And Gibbs just affirmed that the administration stands behind that statement (from ABC News):

    TAPPER: Does the president stand by the legal brief that the Justice Department filed last week that argued in favor the constitutionality of the Defense of Marriage Act?

    GIBBS: Well, as you know, that the Justice Department is charged with upholding the law of the land, even though the president believes that that law should be repealed.

    TAPPER: I understand that, but a lot of legal experts say that the brief didn't have to be as comprehensive and make all the arguments that it made, such as comparing same-sex unions to incestuous ones, in one controversial paragraph...

    GIBBS: Well...

    TAPPER: ...that's upset a lot of the president's supporters. Does the president stand by the content, the arguments made in that brief?

    GIBBS: Well, again, it's the president's Justice Department. And, again, we have the role of upholding the law of the land while the president has stated and will work with Congress to change that law.
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    Jun 18, 2009 2:06 AM GMT
    I personally don't belief in a "heterosexual style" marriage institution! my family and I have worked very hard for me to take the risk at jeopardizing the wealth we had built if I marry and later risk it all if divorced, and thus be forced to give up part of our wealth with the ex-spouse!? marriage is for fools!!

    I am one who believes that love and not a piece of paper is the only thing that gives validity to a loving relationship!

    I voted for President Obama and still support him because I felt he was the best qualify candidate to lead our country out of these difficult times, and not because his stand or views on my sexuality.His personal views on gay marriage does not disqualify him from his ability to be a good president. I am very proud and satisfy for what he has accomplished thus far!! furthermore I could give a hoot whatever the outcome is of this ridiculous gay marriage political agenda thing!


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    Jun 18, 2009 2:29 AM GMT
    Win back the gay community? Ummm, I'm still for him. It's annoying that you think that:

    a) there is only one gay community
    b) that you're speaking for it

    He's the best thing to happen to the United States in 8 or perhaps 16 years.

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    Jun 18, 2009 2:32 AM GMT
    Yes Mr Obama got a large percentage of the homosexual, and lesbian vote, with the thought he would filfill their personal wish for homosexuals and lesbians to be Equal in Jesus land, the USA.

    But Mr Obama may well want to give the homosexuals and lesbians equality in Jesus land, the USA. But he is smart enough to know: "it ill cost him the next election, as many democrats want to also keep the Status Que of Jesus land, the USA.

    So was your vote misplaced, or your expectations way to high?

    I know all it would take is for Mr Obama to give you your way, and he would have your vote agin; that all it would take for the disillusioned,

    But when I vote, I vote for the better of my country, and not who will give me my Wants. So as a homosexual. I'm not so disappointed, when the leader of my country will not fulfill my wants.
  • auryn

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    Jun 18, 2009 2:34 AM GMT
    Update from Associated Press

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090618/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_gay_benefits

    Obama's actual words about DOMA echoed his campaign statements. It would do him well to apologize for what was presented by his DoJ. Homosexuals need to be handled with kid gloves.
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    Jun 18, 2009 2:36 AM GMT
    Maybe if a Republican leader had created DADT, Mr Obama would find it more palatable to Abolish it. But since it was the last Democrate leader who created it, thus the controversy, he is not in such a hurry, as it would state the last Democratic leader did wrong to the homosexual, and lesbian communities.
  • calibro

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    Jun 18, 2009 2:43 AM GMT
    ALEZANDAR said furthermore I could give a hoot whatever the outcome is of this ridiculous gay marriage political agenda thing!


    ♥ Leandro ♥


    Why don't you tell that to the thousands of people who lose their loved ones to deportation because foreign gays cannot file for a green card without marriage. Why don't you tell that to the thousands of people who can't afford to take care of their loved ones because their health insurance won't cover it, much less even permit them to be in the same hospital room because they're not kin.
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    Jun 18, 2009 2:43 AM GMT
    I still support him. That doesn't mean I don't think he has done a crap job thus far on several issues.

    Even if he continues with this, I can't foresee someone opposing him that I would support.
  • styrgan

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    Jun 18, 2009 2:44 AM GMT
    Auryn saidUpdate from Associated Press

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090618/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_gay_benefits

    Obama's actual words about DOMA echoed his campaign statements. It would do him well to apologize for what was presented by his DoJ. Homosexuals need to be handled with kid gloves.


    I agree.. I want to hear an apology and a few low-level resignations.

    It's really not alot of ask...
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    Jun 18, 2009 2:55 AM GMT
    Auryn saidUpdate from Associated Press

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090618/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_gay_benefits
    I find this quote from the article most disturbing and disappointing
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090618/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_gay_benefits"People feel they're owed an apology," said Richard Socarides, a New York lawyer who advised President Bill Clinton on gay issues. "People in the gay community feel he over-promised and under-delivered. Now, with over 250 discharges from the military on his watch ... the grace period is over."
    that is more than a person a day for the past six months or 41 persons a month fired, career and possibly retirements ruined.
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    Jun 18, 2009 3:00 AM GMT
    We still have to keep the fire to their feet or Obama and company (hmmm...remember Bush and company) wont do anything.
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    Jun 18, 2009 3:17 AM GMT
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    ALEZANDAR said furthermore I could give a hoot whatever the outcome is of this ridiculous gay marriage political agenda thing!


    ♥ Leandro ♥


    Why don't you tell that to the thousands of people who lose their loved ones to deportation because foreign gays cannot file for a green card without marriage. Why don't you tell that to the thousands of people who can't afford to take care of their loved ones because their health insurance won't cover it, much less even permit them to be in the same hospital room because they're not kin.



    Gays are NOT the only foreigners who loose their loved ones to deportation or cannot file for a green card.

    Gays are NOT the only group of people who get turned down or not covered by Insurance Companies! I personally know many people from all walks of life who don't qualify for insurance coverage for a multitude of reasons, and not just because of their sexual orientation.

    I had been allowed to be on the bedside of a lost love one till the very end as well dozens of times for friends in a hospital, nor had NEVER being denied by either hospital staff or family members to sleep over of stay in the room with them.

    I hope that answers your question!!!


    ♥ Leandro ♥
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    Jun 18, 2009 3:18 AM GMT
    ALEZANDAR said I could give a hoot whatever the outcome is of this ridiculous gay marriage political agenda thing!


    Some people don´t really seem to understand what the whole issue is about. Or do you feel that you are a second class citizen, undeserving of the basic human rights that hetro couples get.

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    Jun 18, 2009 3:18 AM GMT
    ALEZANDAR saidI personally don't belief in a "heterosexual style" marriage institution! my family and I have worked very hard for me to take the risk at jeopardizing the wealth we had built if I marry and later risk it all if divorced, and thus be forced to give up part of our wealth with the ex-spouse!? marriage is for fools!!

    I am one who believes that love and not a piece of paper is the only thing that gives validity to a loving relationship!

    I voted for President Obama and still support him because I felt he was the best qualify candidate to lead our country out of these difficult times, and not because his stand or views on my sexuality.His personal views on gay marriage does not disqualify him from his ability to be a good president. I am very proud and satisfy for what he has accomplished thus far!! furthermore I could give a hoot whatever the outcome is of this ridiculous gay marriage political agenda thing!


    ♥ Leandro ♥


    I respect your point of view. Especially in an age where divorces and bitter ex-spouses are quite common. Two words. Prenuptial agreement. icon_smile.gif Also a good lawyer can't hurt.
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    Jun 18, 2009 3:21 AM GMT
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    Jun 18, 2009 3:23 AM GMT
    honestly, i wasn't sold on him to begin with. i felt "marketed to" the whole time he ran for office... his political resume was way too thin. he didn't have a track record on gay issues. in the end, i would have voted for whoever the democrat was, because the possibility of mccain/palin was too scary to imagine.