OBAMA SIGNS MEMO. This Is More Like It, but still unclear what Obama really intends

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    Jun 17, 2009 10:23 PM GMT
    Just watched Obama sign a limited-action memorandum about same-sex benefits. What seems more important is that he pledged to work to rescind DOMA, which he said was wrong, despite that offensive DOJ brief. I'm not sure I heard anything about DADT.
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    Jun 17, 2009 10:28 PM GMT
    Here's the first print story I've found about it:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31403699/ns/politics-white_house/
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    Jun 17, 2009 10:34 PM GMT
    It's pathetic. However, I have just heard on MSNBC that the Dems are finally taking action and drawing up bills on several gay issues. But they werent moving until gays put there foot down. But your congressman and senator wont know it matters to their constituents if they dont hear from you. Ahd the language they speak is 1) money ... as in you wont contribute to Dems, and 2) you wont vote Democratic. As I expressed it to my congressman's aide, there's no point in my voting Democratic if Dems arent going to do anything once they get in office.

    Hearing from their constituents helps support our lobbists and those big donors when they stop donating. Your congressman and senators will see that this is more wide spread than just a few prominent gays.
  • calibro

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    Jun 18, 2009 12:27 AM GMT
    jprichva saidI can't say I'm over him, because I wasn't crazy about him ever.

    But I no longer believe anything out of either of his faces. And for the first time in 52 years, I'm considering calling myself an independent.

    So long, Democratic Party, it's been fun.


    I'm a registered independent too! It's way more fun. You get to vote in the democratic primary still, and we always have margaritas at our mixers!
  • ep83

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    Jun 18, 2009 12:33 AM GMT
    Nice try Obama, except there's nothing new here. Agencies already had the ability to do this. In addition, it's only a memorandum so it isn't binding and expires when he leaves office. A band-aid on an axe wound, and not a very good one either. Plus it's clear that they had no intention even of doing this until the money started to dry up, as they were still figuring out exactly what they were going to do as late as last night.
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    Jun 18, 2009 12:40 AM GMT
    I would still like him to explain the language used in the DOMA brief.
  • ep83

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    Jun 18, 2009 12:41 AM GMT
    GuerrillaSodomite saidI would still like him to explain the language used in the DOMA brief.


    He stands by it. From ABC News:

    TAPPER: Does the president stand by the legal brief that the Justice Department filed last week that argued in favor the constitutionality of the Defense of Marriage Act?

    GIBBS: Well, as you know, that the Justice Department is charged with upholding the law of the land, even though the president believes that that law should be repealed.

    TAPPER: I understand that, but a lot of legal experts say that the brief didn't have to be as comprehensive and make all the arguments that it made, such as comparing same-sex unions to incestuous ones, in one controversial paragraph...

    GIBBS: Well...

    TAPPER: ...that's upset a lot of the president's supporters. Does the president stand by the content, the arguments made in that brief?

    GIBBS: Well, again, it's the president's Justice Department. And, again, we have the role of upholding the law of the land while the president has stated and will work with Congress to change that law.
  • coolarmydude

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    Jun 18, 2009 12:43 AM GMT
    It's akin to his proclamation on GLBT month. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jun 18, 2009 2:27 AM GMT
    calibro said
    jprichva saidI can't say I'm over him, because I wasn't crazy about him ever.

    But I no longer believe anything out of either of his faces. And for the first time in 52 years, I'm considering calling myself an independent.

    So long, Democratic Party, it's been fun.


    I'm a registered independent too! It's way more fun. You get to vote in the democratic primary still, and we always have margaritas at our mixers!


    That isn't true in every state, though that part about the margaritas should be true.
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    Jun 18, 2009 4:33 AM GMT
    I just wonder what this means for Federal Employees in a state like Michigan where our anti-gay marriage ammendment bars public entities from offering benefits to domestic partners.

    Sounds like a federal issue that could take this issue to a new level.
  • BeingThePhoen...

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    Jun 18, 2009 4:44 AM GMT
    GuerrillaSodomite saidI would still like him to explain the language used in the DOMA brief.


    I have to agree with ep83. If I didn't approve of the language used in the DOMA brief, then I would have taken my first opportunity to correct it. Since he didn't, it seems quite obvious that he agrees with it.
  • DrStorm

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    Jun 18, 2009 4:52 AM GMT
    Let's put a few things in perspective...there are a LOT more more pressing issues than our own right now.

    There is a time and place for everything...Things come to those who are patient.

    Obama hasn't even been in office 6 months and so many of the LGBT community are getting their titties all in a knot....it's a different story in 2012 and he's done nothing for us.

    How about putting your energies into getting PROP 8 repealed in California. We who live here would appreciate your help. It has far more reaching consequences than DADT, which too is abhorrent.

    PEACE

    daWeatherMan
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    Jun 18, 2009 5:05 AM GMT
    DrStorm saidLet's put a few things in perspective...there are a LOT more more pressing issues than our own right now.

    There is a time and place for everything...Things come to those who are patient.

    Obama hasn't even been in office 6 months and so many of the LGBT community are getting their titties all in a knot....it's a different story in 2012 and he's done nothing for us.

    How about putting your energies into getting PROP 8 repealed in California. We who live here would appreciate your help. It has far more reaching consequences than DADT, which too is abhorrent.

    PEACE

    daWeatherMan

    I think we've been patient enough since Stonewall. Not 6 months into his Presidency and we are beginning to see the man's real colors. There are very simple things he could have done to keep our titties out of knots, like speaking out about his people in the DOJ who equate our relationships to incestuous relationships. Where is that fierce advocacy he spoke about?
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    Jun 18, 2009 8:14 AM GMT
    This issue is REALLY not important to me almost at all. I live my life with my partner and I'm happy. I'd much rather Obama fix the economy, the war, healthcare before he turns his attention to Defense of Marriage. He'll get around to it. You people just need to be patient. We've waited all our lives for this; a few more months or even years won't kill us. We gave George Bush 8 years to screw up the country. Let's give Obama a little longer than 6 months to fix it.
  • coolarmydude

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    Jun 18, 2009 11:38 AM GMT
    DrStorm said, "How about putting your energies into getting PROP 8 repealed in California. We who live here would appreciate your help. It has far more reaching consequences than DADT, which too is abhorrent.

    PEACE

    daWeatherMan"


    How about putting your energies into reaching out to non GLBT residents in CA? Many non-residents did donate to your NO on Prop 8 Campaign.
    And what's this garbage about putting everything aside except for one issue that only CA residents will directly benefit from?
    Haven't you heard of multi-tasking? I can't stand linear strategy!!!! Arrrggh!
  • coolarmydude

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    Jun 18, 2009 11:41 AM GMT
    Schtoppel said, "This issue is REALLY not important to me almost at all. I live my life with my partner and I'm happy. I'd much rather Obama fix the economy, the war, healthcare before he turns his attention to Defense of Marriage. He'll get around to it. You people just need to be patient. We've waited all our lives for this; a few more months or even years won't kill us. We gave George Bush 8 years to screw up the country. Let's give Obama a little longer than 6 months to fix it."


    Who let the illogical one post!?
  • coolarmydude

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    Jun 18, 2009 11:45 AM GMT
    I know. The DOMA brief was like getting the wind knocked out of us. Staggering!....
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    Jun 18, 2009 11:51 AM GMT
    Want to be shocked and flabbergasted even more? Take a look at this:

    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/560333/
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    Jun 18, 2009 11:58 AM GMT


    ep83 said: He stands by it. From ABC News:

    TAPPER: Does the president stand by the legal brief that the Justice Department filed last week that argued in favor the constitutionality of the Defense of Marriage Act?

    GIBBS: Well, as you know, that the Justice Department is charged with upholding the law of the land, even though the president believes that that law should be repealed.


    This exchange doesn't answer the question. It is a sidestep. Typical spin.

    TAPPER: I understand that, but a lot of legal experts say that the brief didn't have to be as comprehensive and make all the arguments that it made, such as comparing same-sex unions to incestuous ones, in one controversial paragraph...

    GIBBS: Well...


    Still doesn't answer directly, not even spin here.

    TAPPER: ...that's upset a lot of the president's supporters. Does the president stand by the content, the arguments made in that brief?

    GIBBS: Well, again, it's the president's Justice Department. And, again, we have the role of upholding the law of the land while the president has stated and will work with Congress to change that law.[/quote]


    Evasive at best. Still doesn't answer the question directly, but Obama must since it is his DOJ.
  • coolarmydude

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    Jun 18, 2009 11:59 AM GMT
    We need to call Obama the "copy and paste" President. Look at all the other issues that are akin to the Bush Administration:

    No transparency: White House visitors list blocked from public

    Military Tribunals

    DOMA

    DADT

    Bailouts

    Feel free to add to this list.

    OBAMA: Mr. Copy & Paste
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    Jun 18, 2009 12:11 PM GMT
    jprichva said II'm considering calling myself an independent.

    Why give your allegiance to any political party? If they can take your support for granted -- and they have -- this is what you get.
    Politicians will always go for the money. We should make clear that we donate and vote only for those who openly commit to advance our issues.
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    Jun 18, 2009 12:41 PM GMT
    Obama to gays: SIT!
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    Jun 18, 2009 1:12 PM GMT
    DrStorm saidLet's put a few things in perspective...there are a LOT more more pressing issues than our own right now.

    There is a time and place for everything...Things come to those who are patient.

    Obama hasn't even been in office 6 months and so many of the LGBT community are getting their titties all in a knot....it's a different story in 2012 and he's done nothing for us.

    How about putting your energies into getting PROP 8 repealed in California. We who live here would appreciate your help. It has far more reaching consequences than DADT, which too is abhorrent.

    PEACE

    daWeatherMan


    The problem with this stance is that the longer we wait for action on DOMA from Congress (they are also dragging their feet on this issue) and the White House the less likely it will happen. As the President's popularity erodes (and it's starting too) the less likely he will be willing to press Congress on these issues. And if it isn't an issue for the President, it's not and issue for Congress. Right now, the Democrats control Congress, do you think they'll have as much control after the mid-terms?
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    Jun 18, 2009 1:14 PM GMT
    There always were and always will be "more pressing" issues. I guess we should just be thankful we're alive. icon_rolleyes.gif
  • a2507

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    Jun 18, 2009 1:34 PM GMT
    medfordguy said
    DrStorm saidLet's put a few things in perspective...there are a LOT more more pressing issues than our own right now........

    How about putting your energies into getting PROP 8 repealed in California. We who live here would appreciate your help. It has far more reaching consequences than DADT, which too is abhorrent.

    PEACE

    daWeatherMan


    The problem with this stance is that the longer we wait for action on DOMA from Congress (they are also dragging their feet on this issue) and the White House the less likely it will happen. As the President's popularity erodes (and it's starting too) the less likely he will be willing to press Congress on these issues. And if it isn't an issue for the President, it's not and issue for Congress. Right now, the Democrats control Congress, do you think they'll have as much control after the mid-terms?


    How about it not being all about California and Prop. 8?

    When will Californians with the size and wealth of her communities turn around and work for equality in the rest of the US? Or is it as long as they have their workplace protections, their marriage advantages, etc. they don't care?

    How about real support for ENDA?

    I support equality in marriage but if LGBT people live in places, like most of the US, where they can be fired just for being gay, equality in the workplace and in public accommodations is a higher priority.

    In extremely reactionary places, say like Oklahoma, this kind of change is only going to come from the federal level. And we'd have more success and fmore un in pissing on our own foot than in talking to our Congressional reps. who are known for the depth and breath of their anti-gay prejudice (our Tulsa Rep. is AWOL......out in California at Betty Ford drying out anyway).

    We have majorities in both Houses of Congress. This will not last long. The time is NOW to introduce and pass at least ENDA, then a repeal to DADT, and lastly but least important to ALL LGBT folk, DOMA. It's only a priority for those already living in places of privilege.