Very specific fat storage question

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    Jun 18, 2009 9:16 PM GMT
    I have a question for those of you who know how the body stores fat.

    I understand that the way to lose it generally is to take in less than you eat and burn the fat. And tracking your eating can help. So, let's say that you watch and track what you eat and you have two consecutive days, one in which you undereat and consume far less calories that you need and yet another that you overconsume. I had one day recently that I ate very low fat and was under budget by about 700 calories, but I wasn't necessarily hungry, but the next day I was and ate a big fat cheeseburger and wound up about 400 calories over budget for that day. So the day that I overate, did my body store more fat than usual?

    My question is when or how long does it take your body to go into a fat storage mode? a day? a few days? Is it worse to do this? or does it all net out in a few days anyway. My concern is that I kind of do this alot, because I am not hungry some days but really hungry others, I never starve myself purposefully, but I wonder if this inconsistency is encouraging my system to store fat.

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    Jun 18, 2009 9:42 PM GMT
    Fat storage doesn't just relate to calories, but, relates very much more to insulin levels.

    Let me explain. Let's say you eat 600 calories of sucrose. Sucrose has a gyclemic index of 100. It's run your insulin right up. What does insulin do? It shuttles stuff INTO the cell (fat, protein, carbs, water, etc.) So, and the insulin shuttles stuff into the cell you STORE whatever (fat, etc.).

    Now, let's say you eat 400 calories of a slower sugar. Your insulin rises less quickly, and your blood sugar stay nice and level. Stuff doesn't get stored. It floats around in your blood where it can be used.

    In both cases, we were eating the same amount of calories, but we manipulated the insulin response. Any advanced athete understands how to manipulate this response.

    Now, being less stupid than before, which meal should be our largest? 1,...2...3...BREAKFAST, of course. We've been fasting for hours, so have a larger distance to cover in bringing our blood sugar to normal.

    Here's a classic example of how fat asses get fat. Skip breakfast. Metabolism slows. Blood sugar plummets mid morning. Eat fast sugar (a candy bar). Blood sugar and insulin skyrocket. Insulin decays slowly. Eat lettuce with dressing (fat and sugar, and cellulose) for lunch.) Blood sugar rises moderately but moderated by fat in salad dressing. Mid afternoon fat ass eats another candy bar and worsens process. Fat ass is going hypo hypoglycemic on way home from work. Buys chocolate cake and gobbles it down. Goes hypergylemic, takes a nap, and ends up in bed at around 10:30, devoid of nutrition or exercise. Trains body how to be fat storing, slow metabolism machine.

    Getting lean is about eating ENOUGH to be able to be active. Fat, and sugar are not the enemy. The insulin response is.

    Here's an example of my contest diet, where I'm at 4%, and very active. Note that it creates a nice enough blood sugar level.

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    To answer your question. Your body goes into storage mode (not just fat storage mode) when your insulin is high. That could under any of a number of conditions, but, usually happens when you eat sugar (a form of sugar / carbs) that bring your blood sugar higher than it should be.

    Being lean and muscular is about stimulating the grow response, recovery, and managing the insulin response appropriately.

    It's completely right to have simple sugars before and after working out, and, in fact, a good idea.
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    Jun 19, 2009 12:45 AM GMT
    Some people say that it takes less than a day to go into starvation mode ( fat storage mode). Some say it may take several days to go into complete starvation mode. I believe it is less than a day. The less than a day explains why breakfast is so important. After not eating all night the fat cells are voracious and want to store fat. People that don't eat breakfast have trouble losing weight.

    Lets look at the bacon cheesburger. Even if your not in starvation mode (fat storage mode) the excess calories have to go somewhere. The insulin response you had from the cheesburger is going to cause the fat cells to uptake fat...Fat is better taken up than carbs or protein.
    The conversion of carbohydrates or protein into fat is 10 times less efficient than simply storing fat in a fat cell, but the body can do it. If you have 100 extra calories in fat (about 11 grams) floating in your bloodstream, fat cells can store it using only 2.5 calories of energy. On the other hand, if you have 100 extra calories in glucose (about 25 grams) floating in your bloodstream, it takes 23 calories of energy to convert the glucose into fat and then store it. Given a choice, a fat cell will grab the fat and store it rather than the carbohydrates because fat is so much easier to store.

    People that yo- yo diet have more problems losing weight than those that are consistent. Yo-yo dieting induces the starvation mode


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    Jun 19, 2009 12:48 AM GMT
    I should add you also go hypo-metabolic, and start burning muscle, and storing fat, when you are hypo-caloric.

    It's so very important to eat.
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    Jun 19, 2009 1:43 AM GMT
    I'm a medical imaging technologist, and a smart guy, and lean! I got there from putting all of that together to realize the following:

    Your body reboots your MBR every day. People with a "low metabolism" don't understand that they control it every morning with their own behaviour. If you eat food within the first hour after getting out of bed, your body will take what it needs out of what you eat, and flush the rest out.

    That's normal mode.

    If you skip that first hour meal, your body kicks into starvation mode and stores every bit of food you stuff into your mouth, as fat.

    That's all I'm saying. The rest will be in my new book entitled "Start eating and stop getting fatter."
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    Jun 19, 2009 4:08 AM GMT
    See? Even the see-through guy is telling starving folks to EAT.

    LOL.
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    Jun 19, 2009 4:51 AM GMT
    chuckystud saidSee? Even the see-through guy is telling starving folks to EAT.

    LOL.


    And I'm saying "boobs" because I'm in the other room and I can.

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    Jun 19, 2009 4:53 AM GMT
    LOL.

    Kids!!!
  • MikemikeMike

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    Jun 19, 2009 3:22 PM GMT
    This is not a simple google cut and paste answer. It is different for everyone depending on their own meabolism and their own genetics!!!

    However if you starve yourself-the average person's body will store carbs, sugars and some types of fat for storage.

    Eat 6 smaller meals a day. Bodies, in general, like routine.

    good luck.
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    Jun 19, 2009 8:45 PM GMT
    chuckystud said
    Being lean and muscular is about stimulating the grow response, recovery, and managing the insulin response appropriately.

    It's completely right to have simple sugars before and after working out, and, in fact, a good idea.


    I have taken to drinking juice after a workout because in addition to the above I have heard that it decreases the lactic acid?

    Also, I am so glad you posted the breakdown for me. I broke mine down and it is very revealing. No wonder I am accumulating fat in my midsection! I gather from this that I would be better off without the pepsi and late night meals and putting another meal in there with high protein lower carbs, so that I am not so hungry at the end of the day.

    Date meal Food calories fat carbs protein
    17-Jul 1 cheerios (1.25c) 138 2 28 4
    17-Jul 1 milk (1c) 146 8 11 8
    17-Jul 1 Coconut oil ( tblsp) 120 14 0 0
    17-Jul 2 Oatmeal (1c) 297 5 55 1
    17-Jul 2 Honey (1tsp.) 68 0 17 0
    17-Jul 3 Chicken breast 142 3 0 27
    17-Jul 3 Kaiser roll 209 3 38 7
    17-Jul 3 lettuce 3 0 1 0
    17-Jul 3 tomato 8 0 2 0
    17-Jul 3 pickle spear 4 0 1 0
    17-Jul 3 slaw 11 0 2 0
    17-Jul 4 peperroni pizza slice 298 12 34 13
    1444 47 189 60




    Date meal Food calories fat carbs protein
    17-Jul 1 2 eggs 180 14 1 13
    17-Jul 1 whole wheat english muffin 130 2 26 6
    17-Jul 1 Coconut oil ( tblsp) 120 14 0 0
    17-Jul 2 cheerios (1.5 C) 165 3 34 5
    17-Jul 2 milk (2C) 293 16 22 16
    17-Jul 3 bacon cheesburger 1090 77 53 46
    17-Jul 3 fries 427 23 50 5
    17-Jul 3 Pepsi Cola 100 0 28 0
    2505 149 214 91
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    Jun 19, 2009 9:00 PM GMT
    xuaerb said

    I have taken to drinking juice after a workout because in addition to the above I have heard that it decreases the lactic acid?



    Going off the topic
    Reducing lactic acid does increase exercise performance.
    Here is a link to an interesting article in the Times of London about how baking soda increases athletic performance. It is so effective that some scientists want it banned from sports. There are a few more performance enhancers mentioned

    http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/body_and_soul/article4539000.ece
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    Jun 23, 2009 12:11 PM GMT
    barriehomeboy said
    Your body reboots your MBR every day.


    This explains it. When I was younger I had IBS and was lethargic (I kid you not). Every doctor I knew made me eat breakfast. This went against what I felt like doing (dying); in the morning, my body felt like it had gone to a wild party without me (I still joke that I can get hangovers without drinking a single drop of alcohol). I discovered, to my surprise, that the fastest way to revive my bowel was to go against its instinct to curl up and die – and that meant eating breakfast however I felt about the matter.
    Some people argue that breakfast is not a hard-and-fast rule. But I found that on each subsequent morning, being resurrected from the undead was just a little less traumatic than it had been the day before – that’s got to count for something.