US Health Insurance - Is this acceptable? Part 2

  • auryn

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    Jun 19, 2009 4:57 PM GMT
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    K, so with all the attention on trying to get National Health Care (which has re-prioritized other important things like repealing DOMA and DADT) I need some help cuz I don't see the problem with passing this stuff through the Senate other than loss of money in some of their pockets from the health care industry.

    I hear weak arguments that are not popular, but have more weight in the Senate because the people that elect these Public Officials don't have the money that the health care industry has. I feel the Private Sector doesn't want the public option because it would make them more accountable for what is charged and would compete with their greed.

    I don't hear enough clarification of what a Single Payer option is (I read and listen, but don't understand) and I don't know what the deal is with having a public option. If the Senators don't want a public health care for us because it's so bad, then why don't they give up theirs? How many of them have private health care instead of what I'm told is the best health care paid by us?

    Help me out here so I can narrow my research and be able to contact my Senators and tell them, "Bipartisanship be-damned, grow a pair and get this thing through, because..."

    If it's about money, we just had a lesson in how to get money to a cause that is supposed to help the nation. Yes, I'm talking about the Obama campaign. He couldn't do it, he knew We could. We did and We're going to make him get this damned thing (DOMA repeal, DADT overturn and Health Care Reform, etc.) done.
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    Jun 19, 2009 7:11 PM GMT

    I think a good place to start is by reading the Wikipedia Topic: Single-payer Health Care.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-payer_health_care

    Once you grapple with the Wiki article, you will be on your way to a logical discussion of healthcare reform.
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    Jun 19, 2009 7:22 PM GMT
    The main problem with a "single payer" system is that it is a zero sum game: if I take out X money for a broken leg, there is X less money in the pot for your broken leg, which can lead in bad circumstances to rationing if too many people break legs.

    However, the present system in the USA is SO bad (really the rest of us look on it with horror) that ANYTHING is better than the disgusting hold that the insurance companies have on the whole business and the way they inflate prices for their own benefit at the cost of human suffering. The arguments I have heard in the media against some sort of government insurance are not cogent, and the way that single payer is held up as the worst option to be avoided at all costs is simply funny. You already have the worst option.
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    Jun 19, 2009 7:22 PM GMT
    Just a slight correction.

    Health Care reform has been a higher priority, with the administration saying in March that it wanted to get something to congress before the recess.
  • Webster666

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    Jun 19, 2009 7:27 PM GMT
    The insurance companies and the pharmaceutical companies pay huge amounts of money to lobbyists who contribute huge amounts of money to Congress members to get them to leave health care just the way it is: a hugely profitable business for insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies.

    If President Obama can make enough deals with Congress members to at least allow Americans to have the option of choosing a single payer plan, that might be enough to break the back of our present Mafia loan shark style of health care coverage that nobody but the rich can afford.
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    Jun 19, 2009 10:14 PM GMT
    I live with a type 1 diabetic, Logan / flex89. I know MunchingZombie, above is, too.

    From Canada, over the counter, Humalog U100 insulin is $38 to $41 for 10 ml. Here in the U.S., at Costco, a script is required, and the very same EXACT item is $101.50.

    Now, synthetic insulin is basically algae poop. It's simple, and inexpensive to make, and, of course, life saving.

    Logan lost his insurance, and the wonderful State of Texas allows denial of insurance for pre-existing conditions. Logan cannot buy heath insurance if he wanted to, unless it's a group plan. To help folks like Logan, Texas has The Texas High Risk Pool, which is FORCED to insure Logan, but, is operated by Blue Cross. It takes MONTHS to get them to move on anything.

    So...Logan was down to 1/2 jug of insulin. Here in the U.S. Humalog (the good, fast-acting, insulin) requires a script. In Canada, it doesn't.

    I called Lilly, that makes the Humalog, and got Logan into the Lillycares program, which will give him free insulin for 1 year. Logan goes through about 40ml ( 4 jugs ) of Humalog a month, so that's worth a lot of money if you had to buy it in the U.S. Thanks Lilly.

    Well, Doctor Steven Pounders of Dallas, one of Logan's doctors, refused to sign the paperwork for Logan's free insulin unless we gave him $55.00 for his signature. PERIOD. No, ifs, but, or ands about it. I pleaded with his staff, but, the response was payup, or suffer. I regard this as deplorable. I went around with Dr. Pounders staff, and I wasn't ever able to get the doctor to speak with Logan. The staff said, "the rule is what it is."

    Well, then....I found Logan another doctor, from Nigeria, just up the street. He signed Logan's paperwork; gave Logan a full physical, and told Logan he could do ALL his bloodwork for $80, instead of the $450 he'd been paying in Idaho, and the $280, here. The new doctor also told me and Logan never to worry again about paying if we were in a fix. That he'd work something out. He told me he could get my CMP's done for $50. I paid Logan's newest doctor $50, FOR EVERYTHING.

    Now, I think such greed in Big Pharm, and medicine, sucks. I think what Doctor Pounders did was deplorable.

    We have to do something with medical care in this country. It's stinks to high heaven.

    I made some phone calls. One was to our local congressman who is a MD. They could give a shit about health care.

    I was infuriated at the profit taking, greed, and just plain shitty attitude I got from the congressman's office, as well.

    It's high time someone put the doctors and Big Pharm on notice that it's not just about lining their pockets.
  • auryn

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    Jun 23, 2009 3:22 PM GMT
    Thanks for the responses and links guys. (Sorry to hear about your friend, Chucky. I looked up the doctor that you mentioned and couldn't fathom why he'd break his oath.) I still don't fully understand the Single Payer option, but after hearing a lot of debates and reading what I can, I'm going to call my Senators and not expect them to do the right thing just because they're both with the Democratic Party. It sounds like too many of them are giving into greed.

    If Health Care can get Diane Feinstein, they can get my Senators too, and that's sad.
  • auryn

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    Jun 23, 2009 3:36 PM GMT
    Ok, just finished calling (that was quick). Murray and Cantwell are already on board with the public option.
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    Jun 23, 2009 4:03 PM GMT
    The biggest impediment to sensible health care reform isn't going to be people like Cantwell and Murray. It will be the blue dogs like Nelson, Landrieu, and Specter (god I get a kick out of that). The same people that carved up the stimulus package are going to shiv the fuck out of health care.

    Some good senators who fully support meaningful reform legislation are going to be looking to the blue dogs for where their votes are. To get them on board they are going to have to mangle this a little bit.

    So, if you live in a battleground states or Maine (home of the bluest Republicans) calls and letters would be very helpful.
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    Jun 23, 2009 4:12 PM GMT
    Here is a link to a a group of 14,000 phycisians who advocate for a national health care plan. This the FAQ section of the website:

    http://www.pnhp.org/facts/singlepayer_faq.php#socialized

    One thing I found interesting is that there is a difference between socialized care and socialized medicine.
  • auryn

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    Jun 23, 2009 8:32 PM GMT
    So apparently Murray and Cantwell aren't for the Single Payer option because they thing the Senate can't get the votes. They seem to be backing down on the option.

    If you're in Tacoma here's some info I've come across:
    http://job-club.org/2009/05/05/unemployed-support-single-payer-healthcare/

    Let's thank Norm Dicks for signing on to HR 676! We'll meet outside Rep. Norm Dicks's office and expand the demonstration across the street to Senators Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell's offices to insist Single Payer is what we want. Bring your signs and your determination.
    Demonstration for Single Payer

    Let's thank Norm Dicks for signing on to HR 676!

    We'll meet outside Rep. Norm Dicks's office and expand the demonstration across the street to Senators Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell's offices to insist Single Payer is what we want. Bring your signs and your determination.

    Let's also let Senator Murray know that her Affordable Health Choices Act Bill will subvert Single Payer health insurance. Both she and Senator Cantwell need to come out strongly for S 703, Sen. Bernie Sanders' Single-Payer bill.

    Register to Attend

    When Monday, June 29, 2009
    3 PM - 6 PM

    Where Rep. Norm Dicks's Tacoma Office
    1019 Pacific Avenue
    (at 11th St.)
    Tacoma, WA 98402
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    Jun 23, 2009 10:59 PM GMT
    Single payer simply means "Not for Profit" Healthcare. It just means that people should not make profits and get rich off of people's health care. The fat cat insurance companies and HMO's would be vanished, which in turn would mean that most of the politicians in the US would have their campaign "war chests" dry up b/c the contributions from these crooks wouldn't be coming in. They wouldn't be "whores" to these corporations anymore and possibly we could have real legislation and people elected that really cared about the average American and taxpayer. Drug companies wouldn't be able to charge about 4X the price here in the US as other places. It's a shame Obama was in favor of single payer in the 90's when he was in Illinois, but now that he's the President and has to be a "whore" to these companies that helped get him elected, he won't even consider it. That option is off the table and Senator Baucus who heads the finance committe won't even let any single payer advocates come to the table and plead their case. Everyone except for a few handful of politicians are "sellouts" in this country-it's very sad!!!