DO YOU BUY CITGO GAS?

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    Nov 19, 2007 2:02 PM GMT
    Citgo is a subsidiary of Venezuela's state-owned oil company, Petroleos de Venezuela S.A. (PDVSA). As such, it ultimately belongs to Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez, an avowedly anti-American leader who counts Fidel Castro among his closest friends
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    Nov 19, 2007 2:14 PM GMT
    No
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    Nov 19, 2007 2:33 PM GMT
    I buy my gas at Amoco, which is now BP. There are no Citgo stations in my area, and I think they're pretty rare in Iowa.
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    Nov 19, 2007 3:54 PM GMT
    I followed some studies by hyper-milers and switched from Exxon to Shell. Shell seems to give a small increase in fuel economy.

    At least Shell does part of its drilling off our own southern gulf coast.

    Personally I'd rather not fill the pockets of a man rude enough to think other counties should just give up portions of their coastline so he can dip his toes in the Pacific.
  • fryblock

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    Nov 19, 2007 3:56 PM GMT
    i used to simply because the 7-11 was right next to my house but now i drive a bit further for cheaper gas from another place
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    Nov 19, 2007 3:57 PM GMT
    No. Never.
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    Nov 19, 2007 4:18 PM GMT
    Considering that the largest oil producer, Saudi Arabia, is also a rather oppressive regime, why not boycott their oil too? Just because they are the US "friends" we can turn a blind eye to how they treat people in their country?

    I don't like Chavez, I do believe that he is destroying Venezuela. His regime has been horrible for that country. I have a friend whose family is from there, and he constantly worried about their safety these days.

    But this country is addicted to oil, and I don't see the US powers that be trying to stop Venezuelan oil from coming into the US. And how do you know that a portion of the oil you're getting from Shell, or BP, or Exxon isn't coming from Venezuela?

    Do I avoid Citgo gas? No, I just look for the station with the least expensive gas, usually it's not Citgo, or any major brand, but I wouldn't be surprised if some that fuel came from Venezuela. And I wouldn't be surprised if a significant portion of my heating oil came from there too.
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    Nov 19, 2007 5:08 PM GMT
    Only on the weekends, when I'm in the States.

    I was deeply moved by those adverts featuring all those desperate lower-income USAmericans so grateful for the discounted heating oil provided by Citgo. I get a fuzzy warm feeling every time I fill up, knowing that I'm contributing to the social welfare of the little people.
  • Timbales

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    Nov 19, 2007 5:09 PM GMT
    Generally I buy Hess, Sunoco if I can't find a Hess station.
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    Nov 19, 2007 6:18 PM GMT
    I buy Citgo gas as often as I can because the people ov Venezuela are subsadised in housing by citgo. Homelessness and substandard housing are being eliminated. the wealth is also spread to healthcare for all.

    if no Citgo I buy Getty because they support finearts
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    Nov 19, 2007 6:48 PM GMT
    Yes I buy Citgo, even though it's hard to find here in Austin.

    I don't know all the nuances to this story, but a couple of years back Citgo was selling heating oil to families in the northeast at a price far lower than what the US companies were gouging, erm, charging. I applaud them for shedding light on the situation. To me, our own oil industry is as anti-american as any president of another country, and far more damaging to the citizens. Chavez is merely noise and propaganda and no one here listens to him anyway, except Americans who cannot help but indulge foreign leaders as they try to call attention to themselves by speaking out against America. Those American folks are called "suckers".

    Plus, the giant neon Citgo sign visible above Fenway Park's green monster is a national landmark (how's that for irony?). It was scaled, razorwire and all, by my buddies back when we were at Boston U., who walked into my apartment one night very proud of their accomplishment and demanding beer.

    As for Exxon, well, they acquired Mobil and forced them to rescind all their domestic partner benefits. Plus, Exxon is still squirming their way out of the cleanup costs and penalties from the Exxon Valdez tanker spill. So the only reason I enter those establishments is to take a road-trip piss. I go out of my way to never get gas or spend any money with those bastards.

    If there were more BP stations around here, I'd favor them. Chevron is still dirty on the eco-front, but at least they're very gay friendly for an oil company. I pick Chevron whenever I can, until someone more responsible occupies every major intersection here.

    But really? F*ck oil. F*ck burning stuff for energy. That's so last millenium.

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    Nov 19, 2007 8:09 PM GMT
    In actuality you can't boycott Citgo gas. You can't really boycott any oil company or even an oil producing nation. Gasoline and oil products aren't like, say, produce, wherein the different "kinds" can be separated. Oil is purchased by all companies and mixed at all refineries.

    You can boycott the stations, but you will still buy their petroleum products at most any other station from which you purchase gasoline. Moreover, Citgo was an American corporation in its former life, still has a base in Houston and employs 4,000 Americans, so the damage that you do would be more to Americans than anyone else.

    You can get the full scoop at http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/citgo.asp, wherein Snopes breaks it down for you.

    The petroleum industry is completely inbred and is a nation unto itself, which it is impermeable to consumer buying patterns. This explains many of the Bush Administration policies, from the invasion of Iraq to ignoring the terrorists in Saudi Arabia to the attempt to hand over our port security to a company in Dubai.
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    Nov 19, 2007 8:11 PM GMT
    I agree with RuggerATX and avoid Exxon/Mobil at all costs, as it is probably one of the most backwards corporations on the planet in terms of its policies towards its GLBT employees.

    The Human Rights Campaign gives high marks to Shell, BP, and Chevron, so these are the only petrol companies I'll currently support with my $$$.
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    Nov 19, 2007 9:45 PM GMT
    Damarco--

    That's not exactly right. What you wrote is true enough for many oil companies, but Citgo, through Petroleos Venezuela, also owns its own refineries. Chavez made some noise last year about selling off the refinery arm of the company but as far as I know it was just blather.

    Anyone else enjoy the clip of the King of Spain telling Chavez to shut the fuck up? icon_smile.gif
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    Nov 19, 2007 10:20 PM GMT
    I avoid Citgo stores. While it's true that you cannot avoid all Citgo gas sold under other brands, you can avoid directly supporting it. While Chaves's motivations may be acceptable (although I question them), his methodology of centralized authoriarian control and nationalization of industries is ultimately harmful to the people, and i will not support it.
  • DiverScience

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    Nov 19, 2007 10:37 PM GMT
    Who to boycott, Citgo who's ruining Venzuala but helping low income familes in teh northeast?

    Exxon/Mobil who regularly spillsoil everywhere and sees insaen profits at our expense?

    BP who can't maintain their own pipelines leaking oil all over the place and riasing our proces to compensate?

    Texaco who advertizes by saying they're looking for more gas *in national parks?*

    They all suck. Youjust have to pick your suck.
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    Nov 19, 2007 10:47 PM GMT
    medfordguy makes the most significant point here which is to ask what singles out this particular repugnant regime over another who happens to allow us a strategic foothold in a strategic area. By all means have your preferences, but the affectation of moral outrage just isn't convincing.

    iprichva: yes that was a hoot having the King of Spain telling Chavez to shut up. icon_lol.gif
    A very refreshing moment of saying what he - and everyone else - was thinking!
  • metta

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    Nov 19, 2007 11:50 PM GMT
    I will not go to a Mobil/Exxon station because they took away the benefits for same sex couples when they merged. They also do not invest in cleaner technologies.

    I normally go to Shell.
  • GQjock

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    Nov 20, 2007 12:59 AM GMT
    Like boycotting Chevron is going to oust Chavez from government?
    DriverScience is right the Oil companies all are crooks
    and thieving liars
    which ones were at that still unknown meeting with the Darth Vader in Chief when they first got into the White House?
    Do you think that oil had maybe a little bit to do with why we're in Iraq?
    Maybe it's not a coincidence that 15 of the 17 hijackers on 9/11 were Saudi's?

    I think Hugo is small potatoes to the major criminals we got here in the White house
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    Nov 20, 2007 7:58 PM GMT
    "Maybe it's not a coincidence that 15 of the 17 hijackers on 9/11 were Saudi's?"

    as many as 7 of the alleged hijackers are still alive, so I'd take any counts of their nationalities with a grain of salt. The government had to come up with a list of names, and they did.
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    Nov 24, 2007 11:32 PM GMT
    While it is true that crude oil is purchased from the producers and goes to all the oil companies and shows up at all the pumps, I can't stand the thought of buying Chavez another MIG-29.
    Luckily, most of our oil comes from Canada. We are sitting on an ocean of oil here in the US, I don't know why we aren't pumping our own out of the ground.
    There's plenty of it.
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    Nov 25, 2007 12:00 AM GMT
    Why don't we all try to drive less so we won't have to support any of these tyrants or oil companies?