eating when your hungry

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    Jun 20, 2009 3:20 PM GMT
    I know they say you should always eat small meals(6 or more)throughout the day, and you should never be too full or hungry, but when do you stop eating at night before your food would turn into fat?
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    Jun 20, 2009 7:53 PM GMT
    tyguy115 saidI know they say you should always eat small meals(6 or more)throughout the day, and you should never be too full or hungry, but when do you stop eating at night before your food would turn into fat?


    There's no magical witching hour where food automatically turns to fat. Night is when most people are the least active. The problem with evenings is that people camp out in front of the TV with a bunch of snacks and graze, mostly high fat, and starchy items. Or worse, they drink wine, beer, and liquor which will put your metabolism to sleep. So, yea, if you graze on chips, crackers, candy, soda and beer while watching sitcom re-runs you're probably going to gain weight because of all the empty calories, insulin spikes and crashes, and metabolism blockage. However, if you make sensible decisions such as raw vegetables, fruits, high protein, or whole grains, sparkling water, or herbal tea then you're body is going to respond to that better.

    I honestly don't get people who say they never eat past 8...if they get up at 6 then that's 10 hours that their body has gone without food. Then if they go work out that makes it worse because they're going hard on no fuel. You don't put a car in a race without a full tank of gas...why would someone run, or lift weights without having eaten anything substantial for 10 hours.
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    Jun 20, 2009 8:11 PM GMT
    Mostly it's about figuring out what works for you--for your body. Meanwhile, you can ignore that link kneedraggen posted, it's only partially true. A major clue is the lack of any relevant citation. The truest clue is that if you are taking in excess calories (regardless of time of day) you will be converting that excess into fat. Meanwhile, your muscles don't only build at night, so you can ignore that bit too (as I would with the recommendation of cheese/crackers--talk about a crap snack when eaten late).

    A good determinant of when to stop eating would be based on when you work out and how well you sleep. If you workout later in the evening, it's a good idea to eat post that as your body will need the fuel. Also, depending on how well you sleep is also a good predictor of what you should be eating if you do eat later in the evening/night. If you sleep poorly after eating late you're probably eating 'energy' foods. Yes, all foods have an energy association--some more than others--you just need to be more mindful when the hour is late.

    My rule of thumb is to eat healthier foods when eating late. Yes, your metabolism is still going strong at night, but certainly not on the same level as during your waking or exercise hours, so keep that in mind when making your late night food choices. I often just have a protein shake or smoothie when I'm hungry late at night. Sometimes a big salad. All this said, once again it comes back to what you find works for you. Your physiology (though predominantly similar in biology and chemistry to others) is still yours alone. icon_wink.gif
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    Jun 20, 2009 11:40 PM GMT
    Oh you know he's just going to say "EAT".
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    Jun 21, 2009 2:10 AM GMT
    6 small mealsicon_question.gificon_eek.gif dats not good...get back to da norm: Breakfast, Lunch & Dinner, it will be better 4 uicon_wink.gif
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    Jun 21, 2009 6:58 AM GMT
    tyguy115 saidI know they say you should always eat small meals(6 or more)throughout the day, and you should never be too full or hungry, but when do you stop eating at night before your food would turn into fat?


    Eating smaller and more frequently is always better.

    Eating at night does NOT make you fat, as stated above.

    The eating at night thing is a bullshit myth.

    If you starve all day, and binge at night, you'll be fat.

    Feel free to eat whenever you're hungry, but, eat small meals, with enough to create satiety.

    If you're feeling hungry, that usually means not enough good carbs, or not enough total calories.

    Listen to your body, and not some starving idiot.

    Knee, above, usually has sound advice, with the science to back it up.

    Sometimes, I'll eat 10, or even 11 times, in a day.
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    Jun 21, 2009 7:57 AM GMT
    Actually...let me correct a few people...If u eat late *(ur taking in calories)* and ur burning them officon_eek.gif DUH...u r actually packin on fat, while ur sleep, bcuz u only burn 50-75 calories while sleep. icon_lol.gif
    Come on guys get smarter, and stop passing on bad advice.icon_rolleyes.gif
    If u have a sandwich, chips and soda for lunch dats a 1,000 calories right thereicon_twisted.gif Actually learn ur body, b4 listening to it. It will save u a lot of grief. TRUST MEicon_wink.gif
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    Jun 21, 2009 2:23 PM GMT
    In the studies showing that 6 meals a day made people fat, where these 1500 calorie each of those 6 meals, and sitting on their ass all day between meals?
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    Jun 21, 2009 2:57 PM GMT
    masculine31 is right. eating at night right before bed is never a good idea. your body is trying to process calories when it should be resting. have a small snack, but dont over do it. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jun 21, 2009 7:24 PM GMT
    kneedraggen said
    masculine31 saidActually.. u only burn 50-75 calories while sleep.


    You do mean 50 to 75 calories per hour while asleep.

    An average person, weighing 150 pounds (68 kilograms), burns one calorie per minute during bed rest
    http://www.enotes.com/science-fact-finder/human-body/how-many-calories-does-person-bum-while-sleeping



    There are some individuals that recommend eating less often than six times a day
    British Medical Journal http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/337/dec17_2/a2769
    In a study of over 2500 patients, eating at night was not associated with weight gain, but eating more than three times a day was linked to being overweight or obese.
    If you Google the frequency of meals, you can find many sites that say eating 4 to 6 meals a day is a myth.

    Most nutritionists believe that 4 to 6 meals a day is the better way to go.


    If dat were da case, a lot of us would be really thin...icon_lol.gif Bad website wit bad adviceicon_rolleyes.gif
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    Jun 21, 2009 8:54 PM GMT
    Maculine31, do you realize that you're dismissing a peer-reviewed scientific journal as a "bad website wit [sic] bad advice" because it's contrary to your assumptions?

    When nutritionists say that it's better to eat 4-6 meals a day, they don't mean to take what you would eat for a meal if you were eating 3 times a day and do so 4-6 times a day. They mean that you figure out what is a healthy amount of food for a day and divide it into 4-6 parts, spaced relatively evenly throughout the day, rather than the 2-3 meals that many American diets follow. What a nutritionist sees as a reasonable meal is very different from what the average Joe on the street eats. A larger number of smaller meals reduces the magnitude of insulin spikes by maintaining a relatively consistent blood sugar concentration, and insulin is the hormone that signals that it's time to uptake and store energy, triggering the cascade that eventually turns sugar into fat.

    And, despite the risk of this getting me labeled as elitist, I feel the need to say this: I have a very hard time taking someone seriously who routinely types "da" for "the", "dat" for "that", "ur" for "your" or "you're", etc. Take the extra 30 seconds to use actual words in your postings if you want people to pay attention.
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    Jun 21, 2009 8:57 PM GMT
    kneedraggen saidCalories in - Calories Out = Weight Loss (or Gain)
    Doesn't matter what time of the day you consume your calories

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    are you fucking kidding me,

    seriously

    really?

    dipshit
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    Jun 21, 2009 10:38 PM GMT
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    kneedraggen saidCalories in - Calories Out = Weight Loss (or Gain)
    Doesn't matter what time of the day you consume your calories

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    are you fucking kidding me,

    seriously

    really?

    dipshit


    Your youthful arrogance and ignorance along with your lack of decorum is a bit unflattering.

    He's not kidding you. He knows what he's talking about. While it's best to eat calories when you're going to be active (Breakfast like a king, dinner like a prince and supper like a pauper), that doesn't mean that if you work out late you shouldn't eat late. You should NEVER feel weak, nor ravished, with hunger. You should eat. Nice stable blood sugar levels all day long.

    Staying lean is about managing the insulin response / consistent blood sugar levels through small meals often, all day, every day, starting early; about getting adequate calories to support a high physical activity level, and preventing a famine response; about doing resistance training to increase your lean muscle mass, strengthen your bones, and base metabolic rate; about doing HIIT to continue to develop your cardiac threshold and get more fat burn going WITHOUT burning muscle for fuel.

    He's not kidding and you would do well to study up before you run off at the mouth.

    It's really doesn't matter to much when you consume the calories, as long as you eat good post workout (in the golden hour) to reload glycogen, and as long as your insulin responses are moderate. If you consume more calories than you eat, you'll gain weight (be it muscle, or fat), and if you consume fewer calories than you spend you'll lose weight ( be it muscle, or fat).

    For diabetics, bodybuilding's activities and diet, are the PERFECT prescription.

    That being said, training without eating is silliness.

    Eating poly and monounsaturated fats RIGHT BEFORE BED is a good idea. (another stupid myth is that you should not eat before bed....your body burns calories all night long..and it needs fuel through the night, as well. Think of it as a machine with a variety of throttle positions, but, a machine that always needs fuel.). If you're a hard training athlete, two to three spoons of almond butter or peanut butter and a bit of oatmeal or grits is perfect for satiety right before bed and helping your body through the night. It's perfectly fine to eat right before bed. Just don't slam a 64oz soft drink with 48 tbsp of sugar.
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    Jun 21, 2009 11:00 PM GMT
    MSUBioNerd saidMaculine31, do you realize that you're dismissing a peer-reviewed scientific journal as a "bad website wit [sic] bad advice" because it's contrary to your assumptions?

    When nutritionists say that it's better to eat 4-6 meals a day, they don't mean to take what you would eat for a meal if you were eating 3 times a day and do so 4-6 times a day. They mean that you figure out what is a healthy amount of food for a day and divide it into 4-6 parts, spaced relatively evenly throughout the day, rather than the 2-3 meals that many American diets follow. What a nutritionist sees as a reasonable meal is very different from what the average Joe on the street eats. A larger number of smaller meals reduces the magnitude of insulin spikes by maintaining a relatively consistent blood sugar concentration, and insulin is the hormone that signals that it's time to uptake and store energy, triggering the cascade that eventually turns sugar into fat.

    And, despite the risk of this getting me labeled as elitist, I feel the need to say this: I have a very hard time taking someone seriously who routinely types "da" for "the", "dat" for "that", "ur" for "your" or "you're", etc. Take the extra 30 seconds to use actual words in your postings if you want people to pay attention.


    OK, nerd buddy, take a deep breath and say after Uncle Chucky: "Stupid people are stupid. Mean people are mean. Ignorant folks are ignorant. People who force stupid language are stupid people. And, by golly people like me."

    There, it's all behind you. Stupid people are stupid. You're not an elitist because you conduct yourself properly and with a level of intellect. It's o.k. to be a geek.

    Next item.

    ROFL.
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    Jun 21, 2009 11:57 PM GMT
    The simple truism that Calories in - Calories out = Weight change completely ignores the difficulty of controlling Calories out. Calories out is a moving target. Take two days with identical physical activities but different Calories in, and your body will respond with two different values for Calories out.

    I once read about a study that had three groups. All three groups consumed 2400 Calories a day. One group consumed all their Calories in the morning. Another group consumed all their Calories in the evening. The third group was a control group that consumed their Calories throughout the day. What I remember is that the morning group lost weight and the evening group gained weight. (However, I don't subscribe to the myth that all food eaten after 8:00pm will turn to fat.)

    I took my weed-out course in physics over 20 years ago, but throwing up a simple equation as though it solves a complicated problem still dregs up a lot of frustration that rankles me. icon_evil.gif
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    Jun 22, 2009 12:28 AM GMT
    MSUBioNerd saidMaculine31, do you realize that you're dismissing a peer-reviewed scientific journal as a "bad website wit [sic] bad advice" because it's contrary to your assumptions?

    When nutritionists say that it's better to eat 4-6 meals a day, they don't mean to take what you would eat for a meal if you were eating 3 times a day and do so 4-6 times a day. They mean that you figure out what is a healthy amount of food for a day and divide it into 4-6 parts, spaced relatively evenly throughout the day, rather than the 2-3 meals that many American diets follow. What a nutritionist sees as a reasonable meal is very different from what the average Joe on the street eats. A larger number of smaller meals reduces the magnitude of insulin spikes by maintaining a relatively consistent blood sugar concentration, and insulin is the hormone that signals that it's time to uptake and store energy, triggering the cascade that eventually turns sugar into fat.

    And, despite the risk of this getting me labeled as elitist, I feel the need to say this: I have a very hard time taking someone seriously who routinely types "da" for "the", "dat" for "that", "ur" for "your" or "you're", etc. Take the extra 30 seconds to use actual words in your postings if you want people to pay attention.


    Unless ur paying me, i will never take an extra 30 secs, out of my day 4 bullshyt homie...icon_lol.gif Da website is 4 moronsicon_exclaim.gificon_rolleyes.gif If u r dewin sumthin dat works 4 u, keep dewin it until u drop dead bro. But dont force busllshyt on other peeps.icon_twisted.gif Dats why da world is fuk'd up nowicon_eek.gif
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    Jun 22, 2009 1:51 AM GMT
    masculine31 saidActually...let me correct a few people...If u eat late *(ur taking in calories)* and ur burning them officon_eek.gif DUH...u r actually packin on fat, while ur sleep, bcuz u only burn 50-75 calories while sleep. icon_lol.gif
    Come on guys get smarter, and stop passing on bad advice.icon_rolleyes.gif
    If u have a sandwich, chips and soda for lunch dats a 1,000 calories right thereicon_twisted.gif Actually learn ur body, b4 listening to it. It will save u a lot of grief. TRUST MEicon_wink.gif


    Every dietician and personal trainer I've heard talk about this for the last few years has said awake or asleep, what matters is whether your body expends more calories than you feed it. Whether you lose or put on weight depends on your caloric deficit or surplus. So talking about an arbitrary 24-hour period, if you bust your ass burning up energy you haven't eaten, your body will extract it from existing material in your body. But if you eat half of that difference later, even just before bed, your sleeping body can only re-build as much as it has the materials to; and repair of tissue that belongs (such as muscle damaged by all that exercise) is prioritized over storing fat reserves.
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    Jun 22, 2009 3:55 AM GMT
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    kneedraggen saidCalories in - Calories Out = Weight Loss (or Gain)
    Doesn't matter what time of the day you consume your calories

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    are you fucking kidding me,

    seriously

    really?

    dipshit


    Your youthful arrogance and ignorance along with your lack of decorum is a bit unflattering.

    He's not kidding you. He knows what he's talking about. While it's best to eat calories when you're going to be active (Breakfast like a king, dinner like a prince and supper like a pauper), that doesn't mean that if you work out late you shouldn't eat late. You should NEVER feel weak, nor ravished, with hunger. You should eat. Nice stable blood sugar levels all day long.

    Staying lean is about managing the insulin response / consistent blood sugar levels through small meals often, all day, every day, starting early; about getting adequate calories to support a high physical activity level, and preventing a famine response; about doing resistance training to increase your lean muscle mass, strengthen your bones, and base metabolic rate; about doing HIIT to continue to develop your cardiac threshold and get more fat burn going WITHOUT burning muscle for fuel.

    He's not kidding and you would do well to study up before you run off at the mouth.

    It's really doesn't matter to much when you consume the calories, as long as you eat good post workout (in the golden hour) to reload glycogen, and as long as your insulin responses are moderate. If you consume more calories than you eat, you'll gain weight (be it muscle, or fat), and if you consume fewer calories than you spend you'll lose weight ( be it muscle, or fat).

    For diabetics, bodybuilding's activities and diet, are the PERFECT prescription.

    That being said, training without eating is silliness.

    Eating poly and monounsaturated fats RIGHT BEFORE BED is a good idea. (another stupid myth is that you should not eat before bed....your body burns calories all night long..and it needs fuel through the night, as well. Think of it as a machine with a variety of throttle positions, but, a machine that always needs fuel.). If you're a hard training athlete, two to three spoons of almond butter or peanut butter and a bit of oatmeal or grits is perfect for satiety right before bed and helping your body through the night. It's perfectly fine to eat right before bed. Just don't slam a 64oz soft drink with 48 tbsp of sugar.




    so your saying that if i eat a kilocal after i wake up and another grand after i workout will yield the same results as if i were to eat them right before bed....


    i might be 19 but im not gunna eat that up...

    if you were to give 100 people a fixed diet say 3000cals/day

    50 of them with no guidance and 50 of them with my advice on when to eat i will guarantee that my 50 would be leaner and stronger.

    so getting back to the statement

    IT MATTERS WHAT TIME OF DAY YOU EAT YOUR CALORIES
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    Jun 22, 2009 4:08 AM GMT
    Well, we shall be gentlemen and agree that everyone agrees with knee except you, and masculine31 (you know dat guy dat no Engly) and that you, and masculine31, agree with yourself.

    We'll also agree that my 34 years of competitive lifting, and being in the midst of sports science, as well as knee's education and background, don't trump your view.

    The wonderful thing about ignorant folks, as an observation, is that they don't realize that they're ignorant.

    Oh, well.

    Folks have other false belief systems, as well, but, that doesn't make them any more real.

    We'll agree to disagree, and I won't call you names, but, I'll win, and have, won the show.
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    Jun 22, 2009 4:16 AM GMT
    I know, not assumming here, i know you personally wouldnt shift what u eat for breakfast to 5 mins before you go to bed.

    timing caloric intake is key

    seriously

    not rocket surgery
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    Jun 22, 2009 4:17 AM GMT
    im not disagreeing with anything but the statement "Doesn't matter what time of the day you consume your calories"

    because it is wrong on many levels
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    Jun 22, 2009 12:18 PM GMT
    My statement; Doesn't matter what time of the day you consume your calories is poorly worded. This easily led to misinterpretation. Of course it matters how frequently you eat. We have had these discussions about insulin spikes and meal frequency before. The athlete also needs to time caloric intake with exercise to achieve the best performance. Bodybuilders like Chucky have nutrition down to an exact science. The point I was trying to make was; that if someone required 3000 calories to maintain metabolism and he only supplied 2000 calories that day. He could consume the appropriate amount of food to supply the additional 1000 calories at 10 PM without worrying that it would turn to fat. If he doesn't supply the 1000 calories, he will begin catabolizing his body and go into a starvation mode. For someone wanting to built muscle this will be deleterious. Of course large meals at bedtime have other issues that the individual has to tolerate such as reflux esophagitis and sleep disturbances. He needs to adjust his schedule and get the proper nutrition at the recommended proper times for the best health. For the healthy individual, recommendations can be obtained from health, fitness and government sites on the Net. Look at different sites because there are different opinions among experts. Individuals with health issues need to work the diet out with a physician and dietitian. Imperator summed it up better than I could in his earlier post. The use of cheese and crackers as a sleep aid is well known in the medical community.This is not anecdotal. Here is a link to a mainstream medical page http://familydoctor.org/online/famdocen/home/articles/110.html Another link about the the same topic on a web page that could be considered Integrative medicine http://www.kitchentablemedicine.com/the-best-bedtime-snacks-for-insomniacs/ If I'm wrong, please email me and we can discuss it. To Err is Human. I'm always ready to learn; no one can keep up with the information explosion.