When AIDS is cured...

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    Jun 22, 2009 11:40 PM GMT

    How will that effect the prior negative and the newly negative? Usually when someone gets over a curable STD, they just shrug it off like, whatever. If AIDS joins the ranks of such diseases, do you see people learning from it's reign of terror? Or, do you see a revisiting of the unfettered past that may have helped usher it in?

    DancerJack's recent thread about scientists finding the virus' hiding place has me thinking on it. I'm not an authority on the subject, but it sounds huge to me. In addition, I've always thought the day would come when the disease is cured. Now that it may be emanate, I have mixed feelings.

    AIDS for me has always been a sexual boundary. I've been asked to do things; some of it extremely low class and dirty. My level of disgust was usually dependant on who asked me. However, the threat of infection remains the primary reason that I'm quite the Prudence Mc Prude, sexually.



    Not sure if I would trade in my condoms for fuzzy hand cuffs if AIDS were cured, but maybe I'd have more one night stands, something I currently don't do. Anyway, do you think your sexual behavior would change any if AIDS were cured and to what degree does the virus' current existence play in keeping you in line? If you are unfettered by it now...icon_redface.gif, tell us about that too.


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    Jun 23, 2009 1:23 AM GMT
    My sexual escapades won't change and I, like you, see AIDS as a boundary to the point where I can't share absolutely everything with that person and I mean everything down to the last drop, so to speak. I realize that is romanticizing sex and quite possibly could be seen as a slap in the face to my HIV+ brothers, but it's not and it isn't about them. It is about me and it's something I wrestled with for a long time.

    What I fear the most with the onset of the cure of AIDS is that there will be an explosion of sexual abandon in the community and other STD incidences will rise exponentially. It will be seen as an expression of sexual freedom, but it could backfire. With a cure, I hope it is a complete cure. Not just a vaccine to prevent it, but some medicine to erradicate it from those who already have it. What a relief it will be for them to have that monkey off their backs.
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    Jun 23, 2009 1:24 AM GMT
    men will revert to screwing like rabbits. trite but true water runs down hillicon_razz.gif
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    Jun 23, 2009 1:38 AM GMT
    If AIDS were to be cured, we gonna see a change in sexual activity or a rise percentage of those who don't use protection... more group sessions? icon_eek.gif

    If we learned anything of the AIDS epidemic, there will be another course of time where there will be another mutated disease running loose in the general public. Are we safe with only a cure for AIDS? Not likely...
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    Jun 23, 2009 2:29 AM GMT
    What truly looms for mankind and gay mankind? God only knows!

    Do I have to be Mr. Sexual and do it all to feel sexually liberated? No, Physically I can stop and should. Even in a STD worry free world I should not indulge excessively. Now, that's coming from me folks.

    I think being free and being wild comes not from what we can DO...but from what we can actually resist. The ideas and temptations. The lure of it all. I don't think I need to surcum to it.

    If I am approached by a group of men to super indulge in an orgy of some kind...I still feel the oddness of it all. I just don't feel the connect. Perhaps I like a little more emotional responsibility to my connections. The empty feeling that can arise from over indulgence on a daily basis could possible be more damaging than having an actual virus that stops you cold.....

    Now, I am at liberty to think, fantasize and dream anything I want! icon_twisted.gif
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    Jun 23, 2009 2:32 AM GMT
    It's only a matter of time before another virus/infection emerges. MRSA is on the prowl in many states, with some pretty awful repercussions. Be safe kids...
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    Jun 23, 2009 2:38 AM GMT
    Guilty, I think this will shed some light on people's mentality:

    http://www.thesword.com/index.php/mixedmedia/2817.html

    It has blogs of people repeatedly barebacking with poz people. To quote one blog "I find it exciting and thrilling, I enjoy the dangerous side of having sex with poz people".

    I will assume you will find it utterly repulsive some of the things the "poz" people say in those blogs about looking forward to "converting another 1000" or the men who are neg but will hold cum in their anus for hours bc they like to "walk on the wild side". The call the penis a "poison stick".

    Just look at this quote: "I can feel fourteen loads of toxic cum leaking from my hole, planted there by six guys hoping to knock me up with their baby. Tonight was the first of three poz parties, with me as the featured "neg" bottom."

    Tim Dean recently wrote a book on this, he is a psychoanalyst. While I don't know the start, this "bug chasing" phenomenon I believe is a large slap in the face to other poz people out their living life a lot more responsibly.

    Based on the aforesaid, I don't know if we can accurate say what will happen. For sure we won't get the "I AM FREAKED OUT" threads we get occasionally from guys who don't use protection or swallow with poz people. I assume the sub-culture of barebacking to "convert" will not embrace the cure.

    edit: It should be noted that "bug chasing" isn't unique the the gay world albeit prevalent. Tim Dean's book talks about women posting on forums looking to be "converted" so she can carry it on to the straight world.
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    Jun 23, 2009 2:43 AM GMT
    even if they cure it it's never going to be an easy cure, the issue with HIV isn't that it cant be killed, it just can't be found. If the cure is gene therapy, that's not like taking a pill once a day for two weeks or a morning after pill.

    That said, people will probably be more risky, look at how risky people are now with HAART letting people live a normal lifespan.
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    Jun 23, 2009 3:01 AM GMT
    wootwoot saidThat said, people will probably be more risky, look at how risky people are now with HAART letting people live a normal lifespan.

    Well... technically if it is cured, then sex isn't as risky. Just a thought.
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    Jun 23, 2009 3:17 AM GMT
    I wouldn't be surprised if there's a cure within the next 10 - 20 years. So much research has already been done and so much more is in the works.

    When HIV is eradicated, people will likely take more risks. It may not be the wisest thing to do, but condoms are an unnatural, temporary solution to a problem that appeared only in recent decades. We can't expect people to use them once the epidemic is over.
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    Jun 23, 2009 3:21 AM GMT
    In so many ways, the way I seen people sped the HIV virus in my 20s, when we knew what it was, and how we got it, has had an ever lasting impact on the way I veiw homosexual men, and their actions.

    I lost many friends to this Virus. I also well remember life before it.

    But we have many people who are starting to have sex now days who still don't take notice of the past.

    I am one of the lucky ones as I was having unprotected sex in the 70s and 80s, before we knew about AIDS, and when so many people unknowingly got infected. I also had people who had sex with me, who were infected and never past on the knowledge they were HIV+, and never told me, even when asked!

    Sorry I just don't trust gay men when it comes to sex. because I've seen in my life, and experienced it first hand, how gay men will put the enjoyment of their dick, before the life, and well being of another brother.

    I'm sure if there was a cure for AIDS, many people would have to take the cure many times.
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    Jun 23, 2009 3:23 AM GMT
    Wootwoot, btw, there's no reason the cure can't be a simple one. HIV is just a very clever virus, from a biological standpoint.

    At the moment, science doesn't really know how to eradicate viruses in general (take Herpes, for example or the flu). We just let our bodies get the virus under control naturally or take antivirals to suppress them.

    Once modern science has a clearer understanding of how viruses work in general, eradicating most viruses should actually be quite easy.
  • bradsmith

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    Jun 23, 2009 3:31 AM GMT
    I remember the days before HIV/AIDS...and I suspect that "free love" era will definitely return for a portion of the population. And, just as then, some will protect themselves, others will give free reign to their impulses. Its actually a lot like the rest of life...how many of you speed, drive recklessly, etc....not all, by any means, but certainly some percentage.

    Interestingly, when I describe the variety of other sexually transmitted infections to guys, most of them feel the same way about Gonorhea, Chlamydia, Syphillis, Hepatitis...not to Herpes...yet, when push comes to shove (so-to-speak) many times we become risk assessors...and choose to take the risk. Have I? Most certainly...in fact fairly obviously... Will I in the future, probably...but much of that comes from the era I came out...even after living with an epidemic for 25 years...on the same hand...after living with an epidemic this long...some guys are going to...celebrate...assuming that day ever arrives...and I'm certainly hopeful but not optimistic.

    A better question for those of you who are negative...when there is a "cure"...how will that change how you react to those who were (or likely still remain) positive?
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    Jun 23, 2009 3:36 AM GMT
    Not looking societally, but keeping it personal, my behavior wouldn't change all that much. Condoms allow a certain amount of separation, a certain distance, a kind of safe boundary in that intimate encounter. I get attached to guys too quickly and sometime too much intimacy can feel overwhelming for me. Condoms give me the room to breath and not feel too close too quickly. My behavior wouldn't change; I'd still be cautiously adventurous yet picky.
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    Jun 23, 2009 3:37 AM GMT
    Get real! HIV is a VIRUS! There will never be a cure!


    Sure, they will have treatments, but there will NEVER be a cure!
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    Jun 23, 2009 3:51 AM GMT

    Maverick75 saidGet real! HIV is a VIRUS! There will never be a cure!


    Sure, they will have treatments, but there will NEVER be a cure!


    Oh shutup, ya wet blanket. icon_smile.gif

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    Jun 23, 2009 3:57 AM GMT
    This may not be the common opinion, but I don't think "risky" behavior will make some earth-shattering return.

    The presence of HIV and AIDS is so ingrained in our minds that, even if a "cure" becomes available, I don't think we'll so quickly forget and revert back to past behavior. It would likely take 1 or 1.5 generations post-cure for people to again think they're invincible.

    We currently have what many consider a "functional cure" of HIV, and we, as a society, are still much more responsible now than we were at the onset of the AIDS epidemic.

    Also, I think that a majority of gay men now aspire to find a boyfriend and settle down. Not "go to the bathhouse and hook up with a ton of men". The "fairy tale" option wasn't as attainable in the past, but it is now, and I think most of us opt for that over promiscuous sex. Regardless of HIV.

    Edit: I'm not trying to insult promiscuous sex, to be clear. And I'm not saying promiscuous men are the only ones who have/would contract HIV. Clearly, shit happens, to everyone.
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    Jun 23, 2009 4:13 AM GMT
    The 80s are tattooed in my memory I did not release at the time that what I witnessed was going to have an everlasting effect on my life, and the way I viewed a community I once supported 100%, and stood by when so many abandoned because of fear.

    It was witnersing gay men deliberately infecting other brothers, because they did not want to deprive their dick of enjoyment, and then they fobed their action off with: "well I was in denial!: Just doesn't cut it. I lot many friends via their actions, lost their lives.

    I have even had gay men not care if they passed this virus onto me, and failed to inform me they were HIV+, even after being asked. So now I just don't trust gay men, because I well know they will put the enjoyment of their dick, before my health and well being.

    One thing I know about my body, that I did not know then, is that I have an over active immune system, and this must of protected me, as I'm still HIV-.

    But I've never been negative to people I've known who are HIV. I would even date a HIV guy, if I feeling love with him! yes I would kiss, and I have knowingly kissed guys with HIV. It just would always be safer sex.

    I have gone into the homes of people with AIDS and nursed them. I never informed them of my sexuality, or my experiences in life, but many looked forward to my visits, and I enjoyed the time I spent with many of them.
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    Jun 23, 2009 4:14 AM GMT
    jily_mchr, your comment regarding boyfriends and settling down is a really interesting one. Though, unless gay guys "save themselves for marriage", people will still be having sex with multiple partners while searching for "The One".
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    Jun 23, 2009 4:17 AM GMT
    I don't think I'd change. There's Hepatitis to consider and that MRS bacteria thingy and swine flu and feline AIDS and avian influenza and rabies and...

    Well, there will probably be some other reasons to continue practicing safe sexual activities.
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    Jun 24, 2009 12:31 AM GMT
    makeumyne saidI don't think I'd change. There's Hepatitis to consider and that MRS bacteria thingy and swine flu and feline AIDS and avian influenza and rabies and...

    Well, there will probably be some other reasons to continue practicing safe sexual activities.


    Mate both my cats got tested to see if they have feline AIDS, and the test come back negative, so they they get a yearly vaccine, to prevent them from getting it. But I was not planing on having sex with them anyway, is this a Tassie thing?
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    Jun 24, 2009 1:00 AM GMT
    Wishful thinking much?

    With news like this it's no wonder the rate of HIV infection isn't slowing down... but I digress.


    Before antibiotics, diseases like Syphilis were classified as life threatening. But now we have a cure so, it's not. Then it was the Flu. Now, it's HIV and AIDS. Even if they were to cure HIV, so what? What's to stop an even deadlier virus from emerging, one that is even harder to treat than HIV?

    Whether a cure appears or not, I don't think it wise to drastically change your sexual practices in favor of riskier ones.
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    Jun 24, 2009 1:59 AM GMT
    Condoms doesn't protect you from MRSA,
    and only protect you from herpes if the site is inside the condom.

    As retroviruses go there really won't be a "cure" per se.
    Maybe someday a vaccine for the uninfected and/or a therapeutic vaccine so that those of us who are poz and still have a marginally functional immune system can keep it under control without thousands of dollars per month of lifelong medication (mine's about US $1200 per month) and probable toxicity side effects.
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    Jun 26, 2009 5:04 AM GMT
    There's no cure for herpes, albeit it isn't as serious as HIV, and there's no cure for hepatitis C either, which can be crippling to one's health. And then there all the other less serious curable STDs... My point is it seems many people forget there is more than HIV out there to mess up one's health/life to varying degrees... And who knows what new nasty STD will "hatch" in the future?

    Sex is, therefore, rarely without risk at some level. Yet a sexless life is hardly an option for most adults, so being mindful of the risks is the most realistic approach. To each their own boundaries I guess -- I just wish people could make the best informed decisons for themselves... And those who campaign to deny information or mis-inform -- I'm talking mostly about social conservatives who attack us and bully adolescents -- are criminals to me.

    Speaking of sex and crime: in Canada it is a criminal offense to knowingly expose another to HIV without infoming them to give them a choice to accept the risk or not -- denying someone the opportunity of informed consent is punishable with a jail term. Sounds harsh, but a guy in Toronto or Vancouver, I don't remember the city, had sex with several women while knowing he was HIV+ and never said anything to his partners. He's in jail now, or headed there shortly, while a number of the women he's infected have already died... Does the USA have anything on the law books to protect people so they have informed consent?

    Sorry I'm rambling: its like 85°F and humid in my apt and I can't sleep...

    Play, but play safe.
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    Jun 26, 2009 5:28 AM GMT
    There are many, many people who would benefit from a cure for HIV -- most of which live in the 3rd world. And remember that HIV would have quite easily existed without gays and gay sex.

    I think a lot of what went on in the 70's sexually before AIDS was not just about the male desire for sex. I think that probably a lot of homosexual sexual patterns had to do with social issues and constraints and freedoms, and what it meant to be a homosexual male in that era. There has been a lot of normalization of homosexuality since that time, and the blush of exoticism is gone and gays are overall much more integrated and less ghettoed. So no I don't think we'd go back to that in large part because society has changed and what it means to be gay has changed, and sexual freedom and promiscuity is no longer the act of rebellion against the constrains of society that it was.

    Personally I don't think my sexual practices would really change -- I'm happy with the sex with the boyfriend, and not that interested in anything else really.