Mormon Apology

  • metta

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    Jun 23, 2009 1:13 AM GMT
    Well....a petition to request them to apologize:

    http://ldsapology.org/

    http://twitter.com/LDSApology
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    Jun 23, 2009 12:12 PM GMT
    I can tell you now categorically, that they will not apologise, as to say sorry, is admittance you have done something wrong. I know they will not feel they have done no wrong.

    But since a large percentage of Californians are Hispanic, thus catholic, you will also have petition the catholics church too, or you are discriminating against the Mormons, and putting full blame on them, and all the blame does not belong to them, surly the gay community would have to take some of the blame too, and I know many gay people want apologise either, as they too will feel they too have done no wrong.
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    Jun 23, 2009 1:01 PM GMT
    it's their religious beliefs. don't see why they should apologize!
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    Jun 23, 2009 2:04 PM GMT
    They have nothing to apologize for not sure if I would accept it any way. You are free to believe what you believe.

    The apology would be as hollow as congress apologzing for slavery on June 19, 2009. June 19, 1865 was when the slaves were sort freed from bondage.
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    Jun 23, 2009 2:28 PM GMT
    If they still haven't apologized for the mountain meadow massacre in a meaningful way, I don't know if they would give gays one. Here is what I posted elsewhere:

    Mormons have had their hands soiled in slaughter too:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacreThe Mountain Meadows massacre was a mass slaughter of the Fancher-Baker emigrant wagon train at Mountain Meadows, Utah Territory, by the local Mormon militia on 11 September 1857. It began as an attack, quickly turned into a siege, and eventually culminated in the execution of the unarmed emigrants after their surrender. All of the party except for seventeen children under eight years old—about 120 men, women, and children—were killed. After the massacre, the corpses of the victims were left decomposing for two years on the open plain, their children were distributed to local Mormon families, and many of their possessions auctioned off at the Latter Day Saint Cedar City tithing office.
    Brigham Young tried to blame it on Native Americans. Story: http://www.pbs.org/mormons/themes/mountainmeadows.html
    Video: http://www.pbs.org/mormons/view/extra.html
    And though a large number of Mormons recently, against the words of their prophet Joseph Smith, got involved THROUGH the organization in political legislation (against the gay community) along with the catholic church.
    Joseph SmithThe Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints holds to the doctrine of the separation of church and state; the non-interference of church authority in political matters; and the absolute freedom and independence of the individual in the performance of his political duties. If at any time there has been conduct at variance with this doctrine, it has been in violation of the well-settled principles and policy of the Church.

    There was a group of Mormons that did speak out against homophobia: http://mormonsformarriage.com/
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    Jun 23, 2009 2:37 PM GMT
    I looked at the petition and It doesn't make sense that gays should petition or "plea" for an apology. It seems to me that they just need to apologize. Even so I don't know if it would make a difference if they are still attacking gay marriage in other states through NOM or something.

    In any case I for myself am not going to prejudge any Mormon individual now knowing that there are some that already support Gay Rights. The others will go down in history like those in the Catholic church who have instigated persecution against gays for centuries and have never apologized even though they did apologize to Jews.
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    Jun 23, 2009 2:44 PM GMT
    MadeNUSA saidit's their religious beliefs. don't see why they should apologize!

    Just cuz they slap the label "religious belief" on something doesnt make it right. And if it isnt right and yet they do it, then they should apologize.

    The biblical curse of Noah on Canaan was used as a religious justification for slavery. That didnt make it right.

    Inflicting their personal bigotries by cherry-picking the abominations of the Bible on other citizens isn't justified by "religious beliefs." Freedom of Religion doesn't mean freedom to persecute others in the name of religion. It is a protection from persecution, not a license to persecute.

    Otherwise, get me a lion.
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    Jun 23, 2009 2:49 PM GMT
    In my opinion, the only petitions worth signing are the ones that get candidates on the ballot. Well, and the ones to get a canceled Joss Whedon show back on the air.
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    Jun 23, 2009 2:57 PM GMT



    Dear Mormon Church,


    We'd like to apologize on behalf of God for having invented us. While we appreciate that you know much better than God and in fact control God's every thought, God has a way of doing exactly as God sees fit.


    Humbly, some of God's creations
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    Jun 23, 2009 3:03 PM GMT
    Ducky45 saidYou are free to believe what you believe.


    ...and we're free to ask. So really freedom of speech and religion has nothing to do with this...unless those petitions are proposing some law that they *have* to apologize.

    1st amendment...the straw man for the hysterical.
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    Jun 23, 2009 3:36 PM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidIn my opinion, the only petitions worth signing are the ones that get candidates on the ballot. Well, and the ones to get a canceled Joss Whedon show back on the air.


    Amen. I miss Angel and Firefly didn't even get a chance.
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    Jun 23, 2009 4:18 PM GMT
    BradySF said
    MunchingZombie saidIn my opinion, the only petitions worth signing are the ones that get candidates on the ballot. Well, and the ones to get a canceled Joss Whedon show back on the air.


    Amen. I miss Angel and Firefly didn't even get a chance.



    I agree wholehartedly as well! icon_lol.gif

    And while I do not beleive anyone should appologise for their religious beliefs, It is illegal in this country to become involved in politics with the intent of forcing ones religous beliefs to be imposed on others... that I wouldn't mind an appology for. Something to the tune of:

    "Dear Gays... while we stand firm in our belief that you are not fit to walk the earth, we appologise for the fact that members of our church have endevoured to trample the rights of your comunity by initating political campaigns against said rights in states where they do not even hold residency or voting rights."

    I don't think even that will ever happen though, so I won't hold my breath.