POP GOING FLAT??? Comparisons made now with smoking, drinking, etc...

  • HndsmKansan

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    Jun 23, 2009 3:34 PM GMT
    I noticed this article this morning from the Wichita Eagle..... I wondered if this was going to happen..LOL



    Has pop gone FLAT?

    BY ALEXIA ELEJALDE-RUIZ
    Chicago Tribune
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    Soda drinkers haven't achieved pariah status like smokers before them, but proposed sugar taxes and social pressure to be healthy can put a damper on doing the Dew -- and even some in the growing ranks of diet pop drinkers are feeling soda shame.
    SOME EXPERTS ARE COMPARING THE SWEET STUFF TO TOBACCO

    Move over, cigarettes. Trans fats, please make room. The battle to improve Americans' health is zeroing in on a new target: Pop.

    "I believe soda is the next tobacco," said Barry Popkin, director of the University of North Carolina's Interdisciplinary Obesity Center and author of "The World Is Fat," published this year.

    Soda drinkers haven't achieved pariah status like smokers before them, but proposed sugar taxes and social pressure to be healthy can put a damper on doing the Dew -- and even some in the growing ranks of diet pop drinkers are feeling soda shame.

    According to Popkin, Americans are consuming up to 300 more calories per day now than they were 25 to 30 years ago, and two-thirds of that increase is from caloric beverages like soft drinks, sports drinks, energy drinks, fruit juice and milk.

    While milk has important vitamins and minerals, the sugary beverages "have no health benefits," Popkin said. And studies show people who drink caloric beverages don't compensate by cutting out other food, so the calories add up, he said.

    An article in the April 30 issue of the New England Journal of Medicine put it bluntly: Sugar-sweetened beverages "may be the single largest driver of the obesity epidemic," it said.

    Time to tax it?

    The article, co-authored by Kelly Brownell, director of the Rudd Center for Food Policy and Obesity at Yale, and New York City Health Commissioner Thomas Frieden, makes a case for imposing hefty taxes on sugary drinks to curb consumption. A proposal in New York last year to impose a 1-cent-per-ounce tax on sugared beverages could be expected to reduce consumption by 13 percent, or about two servings per person per week, according to the article.

    A federal tax on sugary beverages is one of many proposals Congress is considering as it debates how to pay for a $1.2 trillion overhaul of the health care system, according to a report in The Wall Street Journal. The Congressional Budget Office estimated that adding a tax of 3 cents per 12-ounce serving of sweetened drink would generate $24 billion over the next four years.

    'Pure money grab'

    The notion of a soda tax riles some die-hard pop fans.

    "Stop taking away the things I enjoy," said Jaime Groth, 26, as she sipped a ginger ale during lunch recently. Groth was a smoker until cigarettes were taxed out of her reach, and she doesn't want the same fate to befall her soda habit.

    "At some point, you know stuff's not good for you," Groth said. "People should be able to make their own decisions."

    Two states -- Maine and New York -- that tried to impose large soft drink taxes in the past year have not succeeded.

    Tracey Halliday, spokeswoman for the American Beverage Association, a trade group representing beverage distributors, said proposed taxes on sugary beverages are "a pure money grab" and unfairly discriminate against one product. She batted away soda's comparison to tobacco, "a known carcinogen."

    "There is clearly no comparison between tobacco and soft drinks," Halliday said. "People are not buying it."

    Kicking the habit

    Health-conscious consumers are, however, increasingly turning away from regular soft drinks in favor of diet alternatives.

    The regular soft drink market lost 15.6 million adult drinkers from 2003 to 2008, while the diet soda market gained 7.8 million drinkers, according to Mintel, a Chicago-based market research firm. People also are increasingly drinking bottled water, energy drinks and sports drinks, Mintel found.

    Weight maintenance and concern about the health risks of high fructose corn syrup were the biggest reasons cited for moving away from pop, and Mintel does not expect much growth in artificially sweetened beverages as people steer clear of chemicals. Rather, people will be willing to pay more for naturally sweetened beverages, Mintel predicts.

    "I don't trust the aspartame in diet (soft drinks) or the sugariness of regular soda," said Jane Boateng, 26, of Gage Park.

    Some diet pop drinkers feel pressure to kick the fizzy stuff altogether.

    Lacey Brenly admits to a Diet Coke addiction that dates back to college, when, she claims, she switched from regular pop to diet and lost 10 pounds.

    Hooked on the bubbles, Brenly, 26, said she drinks at least three Diet Cokes a day, which draws tsk-tsks from some of her friends.

    "I have a lot of friends who are health nuts -- who do yoga, shop at Whole Foods -- and I get a little flack from them
  • Timbales

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    Jun 23, 2009 4:48 PM GMT
    oh noes! peer pressure to be healthy! icon_rolleyes.gif

    If soda/pop was made with real sugar, people wouldn't drink as much of it.
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    Jun 23, 2009 4:51 PM GMT
    I have three empty cans of diet coke on my desk, and I'm working on a fourth right now. It's hard to give up the stuff. icon_confused.gif
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    Jun 23, 2009 5:15 PM GMT
    High sugar levels in the blood can actually kill you faster than cancer.

    The cells lining the inside of the blood vessels are delicate and sugar molecules can actually ping and damage them. This causes an inflammatory reaction. LDL cholesterol collects at the site of the inflammation. That brings white blood cells to the area, just like white blood cells respond to an inflammation due to a cut or infection.

    The white blood cell engorge on the cholesterol and burrow under this layer of cells and form what is essentially a pimple of puss. As that pimple grows, it obstructs the blood flow. Eventually, the pimple bursts and a big clot of gooey white blood cells is released into the blood vessel. This can block the vessel right there or circulate around until it clogs a vessel in your heart or brain and kills you.

    QED.

    YOU: Staying Young, pg 56 - 61

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    Jun 23, 2009 7:30 PM GMT
    i had a coke|soda|pop ... two months ago i think? and it was another few months back for the previous drink of fizzly
  • HorrorHound

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    Jun 23, 2009 7:34 PM GMT
    Hell I have a can of Diet Coke everyday to swallow down the can(s) of 'plain ass' tuna I eat. That stuff is hard to chew too , therefore my soda helps wash it down. I think, WITH A MEAL , there's absolutely nothing THAT unhealthy about it. It's a drink! icon_cool.gif
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    Jun 23, 2009 7:34 PM GMT
    Isn't most "diet" drinks, sugar-free? I'd be happy to pay a little extra if it meant it was going towards something good. I think unhealthy lifestyles should be penalized more. I'm not saying I don't partake in any of those lifestyles, but if it means more money going into making healthcare better (if that's indeed where the money goes), I'm game for paying more.
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    Jun 23, 2009 7:38 PM GMT
    Note to insurance companies: put soft drink consumption on insurance applications. This should please the libertarians, who aren't interested in more taxes.

    But personally? I say tax the sh*t...I don't care.
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    Jun 23, 2009 7:40 PM GMT
    Diet Coke? Aspartame is poison. I have a hunch the same will be said about sucralose before long.
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    Jun 23, 2009 7:40 PM GMT
    RuggerATX saidNote to insurance companies: put soft drink consumption on insurance applications. This should please the libertarians, who aren't interested in more taxes.

    But personally? I say tax the sh*t...I don't care.


    I say, use that money to get rid of money-hungry insurance companies. Mother fuckers!
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    Jun 23, 2009 7:41 PM GMT
    I am partial to a can of diet coke with my sandwiches at lunchtime. The drink seems to help me feel full - think it must be the bubbles.

    I wonder how safe aspartame is though?

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    Jun 23, 2009 7:41 PM GMT
    Michael_Mccarry said
    RuggerATX saidNote to insurance companies: put soft drink consumption on insurance applications. This should please the libertarians, who aren't interested in more taxes.

    But personally? I say tax the sh*t...I don't care.


    I say, use that money to get rid of money-hungry insurance companies. Mother fuckers!


    Yeah...that's a whole other level of discussion. Personally, I would abolish the health insurance industry. Nothing good comes of those creeps.
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    Jun 23, 2009 7:43 PM GMT
    seltzer + splash of juice + a couple of drops of stevia root = far better (and more refreshing imho)
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    Jun 23, 2009 7:44 PM GMT
    Other than insuring food or other consumables are safe, I prefer the government stop telling me what to eat or drink or smoke or ingest in general. Give me the information and I will make up my own mind, thank you.
    Next thing they'll be telling us who we can sleep with or marry!
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    Jun 23, 2009 7:45 PM GMT
    antelope saidOther than insuring food or other consumables are safe, I prefer the government stop telling me what to eat or drink or smoke or ingest in general. Give me the information and I will make up my own mind, thank you.
    Next thing they'll be telling us who we can sleep with or marry!



    EXACTLY! icon_twisted.gificon_twisted.gif
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    Jun 23, 2009 7:50 PM GMT
    Diet sodas are just fine (though the aspartame may cause cancer, depending on what you read lol!) There's zero sugar and usually no calories. I don't like drinking it often because there's something in diet soda/crystal light that makes me bloat like crazy.

    On the high blood sugar = blood clots and/or ruptured arteries, it's the same end-result that you get when you eat a bucket of fried chicken a day. Letting your blood sugar run chronically high (200 mg/dL or higher) makes your body store the excess calories as fat (because you can't use it without enough insulin!) so you pack on the pounds like crazy and your cholesterol goes whacko.
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    Jun 23, 2009 7:51 PM GMT
    I got lean cutting out processed sugar. Processed sugar is in everything.... so called fruit juice, sports drinks, muscle milk, power bars, peanuts( they serve on airplanes), healthy sounding granola type breakfast cereals etc.

    Once you have been off the white stuff for a while it is so shocking to bite into anything like a chocolate bar.
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    antelope saidOther than insuring food or other consumables are safe, I prefer the government stop telling me what to eat or drink or smoke or ingest in general. Give me the information and I will make up my own mind, thank you.
    Next thing they'll be telling us who we can sleep with or marry!


    Hello/Goodbye, Antelope. It's nice to meet/been good to know you.
    I'm going to stand waaay over here before the flame war arrows start coming at you.
    How dare you question the meddling of government into your life!icon_question.gif
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    AKA_B1GK said
    antelope saidOther than insuring food or other consumables are safe, I prefer the government stop telling me what to eat or drink or smoke or ingest in general. Give me the information and I will make up my own mind, thank you.
    Next thing they'll be telling us who we can sleep with or marry!



    EXACTLY! icon_twisted.gificon_twisted.gif


    The FDA is a poor excuse for a leader in all this. Corrupt, reactionary, and short-sighted.
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    Jun 23, 2009 7:52 PM GMT
    Alpha13 saidI got lean cutting out processed sugar. Processed sugar is in everything.... so called fruit juice, sports drinks, muscle milk, power bars, peanuts( they serve on airplanes), healthy sounding granola type breakfast cereals etc.

    Once you have been off the white stuff for a while it is so shocking to bite into anything like a chocolate bar.


    god no shit... eating chocolate after a sugar-free, low-fat diet is like eating a sugar-dipped stick of butter
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    Jun 23, 2009 8:01 PM GMT
    Yummy.

    Oh, and with regard to the FAA, FCC, FDA, DEA, SEC, they are all growth industries responsive to their particular corporate interests. The fact is that often their recommendations are most often self-serving to them, and to their respective corporate sponsors, and NOT in the public interest.

    Here's the facts:
    1. The number one killer of folks is obesity. Hands down. Diabetes, type 2, is 100% preventable and is mostly caused by insulin insensitivity from high sugar diets.
    2. The number two killer is tobacco.
    3. Third is alcohol.

    Should bad things be taxed? Probably. Why? Because smokers are 10 times more likely to have a disease costing over 100K. Because smokers are sick twice as much as regular people. The same can be said for diseases of obesity. Better to fund treatment, and rehab programs, through taxes, than to throw people into jail, or to let them just kill themselves with no options.

    It's seem fair that those at higher risk should bear more of the burden for their care, particularly those who are willfully irresponsible.

    Obesity IS the number one killer. Obesity is caused by crappy food loaded with sugar.

    At some point, folks have to become responsible for their personal health.
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    Jun 23, 2009 8:26 PM GMT
    Hello/Goodbye, Antelope. It's nice to meet/been good to know you.
    I'm going to stand waaay over here before the flame war arrows start coming at you.
    How dare you question the meddling of government into your life!
    Don't you know by now that the consensus on here is that you are far too dumb to know how to best run your life?

    Thanks Studly ScrewRite. I realize the danger in that, but thought the blaze might be good for my tan.
    I was a bureaucrat of sorts for more than 30 years, and realized early on that while government employees are a wonderful and dedicated group of people, we are no smarter than average, especially the people who set policy.
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    Jun 23, 2009 8:38 PM GMT
    I rarely drink the stuff. If I'm at a bar, I drink soda water with a lime wedge.
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    chuckystud saidYummy.

    Oh, and with regard to the FAA, FCC, FDA, DEA, SEC, they are all growth industries responsive to their particular corporate interests. The fact is that often their recommendations are most often self-serving to them, and to their respective corporate sponsors, and NOT in the public interest.

    Here's the facts:
    1. The number one killer of folks is obesity. Hands down. Diabetes, type 2, is 100% preventable and is mostly caused by insulin insensitivity from high sugar diets.
    2. The number two killer is tobacco.
    3. Third is alcohol.

    Should bad things be taxed? Probably. Why? Because smokers are 10 times more likely to have a disease costing over 100K. Because smokers are sick twice as much as regular people. The same can be said for diseases of obesity. Better to fund treatment, and rehab programs, through taxes, than to throw people into jail, or to let them just kill themselves with no options.

    It's seem fair that those at higher risk should bear more of the burden for their care, particularly those who are willfully irresponsible.

    Obesity IS the number one killer. Obesity is caused by crappy food loaded with sugar.

    At some point, folks have to become responsible for their personal health.


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    While milk has important vitamins and minerals, the sugary beverages "have no health benefits," Popkin said. And studies show people who drink caloric beverages don't compensate by cutting out other food, so the calories add up, he said.""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""[/i]

    I'm sorry why are milk and fruit juice there with sport drinks, energy drinks, and soft drinks? And why is milk the only one of them that is "ok" ? call me dumb but milk is less healthy than (real) fruit juices with WAY higher risk of disease....

    I'm totally for scrapping pop - we don't need it. Water and juice with the occasional pop here and there sounds just fine. Seven a day is ridiculous ...
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    Jun 23, 2009 9:34 PM GMT
    wyrln saidI have three empty cans of diet coke on my desk, and I'm working on a fourth right now. It's hard to give up the stuff. icon_confused.gif

    Try FRS to break the caffeine habit. It is basically the B vitamins, Vitamins C and E, and Quercetin...that prevents the oxidation of adrenalin.

    The B vitamins, I am sure you remember from Biology class, make up the electron transport chain in the mitochondria where the energy molecule, ATP, is produced and that everything in your body uses for energy.

    You wont get the caffeine jolt, jitters, or buzz, and you wont get the crash afterwards either. It is a very subtle increase in energy and mental acuity after about 20 minutes.

    This is the stuff that Lance Armstrong touts.

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