Manifest Change

  • DanielQQ

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    Jun 24, 2009 2:58 AM GMT
    I have always had an interest in the Law of Attraction, which posits that our thoughts and feelings manifest our realities. I recently completed a Landmark Education seminar (very interesting), which emphasizes the human potential to be the person we want to be, if only we share with others our self-conception and honor it with integrity.

    What if they're both right?

    Share a reality you want to manifest.




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    Jun 24, 2009 6:05 AM GMT
    I also like the concepts that the law of attraction implies. I think that both those and the themes of you seminar are right... if you "broadcast" your signal by confidently sharing your self conception with others, then you open channels for that signal to be reflected back to you...

    "...oh, do you remember what you told me last month? Well, this new job/opportunity just presented and I thought about you because of..."

    A reality I want and am manifesting: I am becoming more and more comfortable in my own body, more confident of my agility, my strength and my coordination. And more and more, when I walk past those big mirrors I see a new, more confident person with a closing gap between that image and myself.

    Congratulations on your Enspire new full time job.
  • danisnotstr8

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    Jun 24, 2009 7:19 AM GMT
    Eleven years ago, I visited Chicago for the first time. I knew I wanted to move there. I wrote a song about it.

    I recently finished graduate school, and applied for the job of my dreams along with a couple hundred other people.

    I'm in the final running for the job now as director of choral and vocal music at the new Chicago High School for the Performing Arts.This is a dream job in the place I have always wanted to be.

    I got here by telling myself that I actually was the person I wanted to be-- by promoting myself as that person, by mimicking those who are that person, and even by impersonating that person in order to appear his equal.

    People believed me and helped me get there.

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    Jun 24, 2009 7:25 AM GMT
    I will become a world renown Engineer! icon_biggrin.gif

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    Jun 24, 2009 2:25 PM GMT
    DanielQQ saidI have always had an interest in the Law of Attraction, which posits that our thoughts and feelings manifest our realities. I recently completed a Landmark Education seminar (very interesting), which emphasizes the human potential to be the person we want to be, if only we share with others our self-conception and honor it with integrity.

    What if they're both right?

    Share a reality you want to manifest.

    I will transition from part time to full time with Enspire.





    does this work with winning the lotto as well?
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    Jun 24, 2009 2:45 PM GMT

    While both of us are intrigued slightly by the ideas,
    the trouble with the law of attraction stuff is what about anyone else with the same dream? Who's power of Law of Attraction is stronger?

    Take a look at some of the shows on TV - there's one about singing. People come on there CONVINCED they are truly great and wonderful singers. Crash.

    Same with dance or anything else. You may be determined to be a famous dancer, actor, singer, rocket scientist, king of the world, but the idea that anyone can be the best anything, if they put their law of attraction to use, is polite fiction to us.


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    Jun 24, 2009 3:05 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    While both of us are intrigued slightly by the ideas,
    the trouble with the law of attraction stuff is what about anyone else with the same dream? Who's power of Law of Attraction is stronger?

    Take a look at some of the shows on TV - there's one about singing. People come on there CONVINCED they are truly great and wonderful singers. Crash.

    Same with dance or anything else. You may be determined to be a famous dancer, actor, singer, rocket scientist, king of the world, but the idea that anyone can be the best anything, if they put their law of attraction to use, is polite fiction to us.




    To be quite honest, I am skeptical of the Law of Attraction as a metaphysical concept. While I haven't discounted the possibility altogether, I think your arguments above constitute a very real problem. It seems impossible to prove or disprove (ironic, given it's called a "Law.")

    However, taken as a psychological concept, I think it can be powerful. By combining focus with patience and positive thinking, almost anything can be accomplished!
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    Jun 24, 2009 3:49 PM GMT


    This:" By combining focus with patience and positive thinking, almost anything can be accomplished!"


    ...two thumbs up.
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    Jun 24, 2009 4:32 PM GMT
    meninlove said
    While both of us are intrigued slightly by the ideas,
    the trouble with the law of attraction stuff is what about anyone else with the same dream? Who's power of Law of Attraction is stronger?

    Take a look at some of the shows on TV - there's one about singing. People come on there CONVINCED they are truly great and wonderful singers. Crash.

    Same with dance or anything else. You may be determined to be a famous dancer, actor, singer, rocket scientist, king of the world, but the idea that anyone can be the best anything, if they put their law of attraction to use, is polite fiction to us.




    The Law of Attraction is based on a body of New Age concepts – such as, there is a unity to the workings of the Universe that keeps it from teetering into absolute chaos. The universe uses chaos, order, conflict and complexity without being entangled in them.

    While working out our egos’ karmas we may have conflicting interests, if we wish. The Universe, meanwhile, waits for you to give up trying to secure your own stake in the world. When you surrender, the Law begins to kick in full-force; when you align yourself with what the Universe wants to do – which is the best thing there is, considering that at the soul level your eternal past, present and future(s) are as open and accessible as the pages of a book - things happen a lot smoother. So first thing you want to attract is the wisdom to know what to attract. That’s why the Law of Attraction does work for deeply spiritual people – they’re listening to something deeper and higher than the immediate clamour of Mine Mine Mine. As a result, they look just a little deeper than, for example, achievement in any field; most of them are busy attracting things like the ability to love deeply, the capacity for increased compassion and enlightenment, and more opportunities to serve others, etc.

    So you will not be given a great power to attract if all your desires are in conflict with the deeper needs of the metaphysical ecosystem we all depend and thrive on. Your ability to attract is only as powerful as you are willing to be compliant in its use. There are many other Law at work. But this... this one regulates a heck of a lot of them.

    Disclaimer: the_others, siya and co. do not necessarily believe or endorse the hypothetical debate material they spout on forum posts. God forbid.
  • MSUBioNerd

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    Jun 24, 2009 4:37 PM GMT
    Scientifically, I find the notion of a metaphysical Law of Attraction absurd. But, that's science. Let's talk philosophy for a moment.

    I think one of the frequently overlooked philosophical problems with the Law of Attraction meme is the downside to it. If you believe that the universe provides what reality people are choosing to manifest, that goes very much hand-in-hand with "blame the victim"

    "He chose to develop cancer"

    "She should have manifested a reality where she wouldn't get raped."

    "He shouldn't have allowed himself to be mugged."

    I had a teacher once who had had spontaneous remission of what had been diagnosed as terminal cancer. This caused her to be a big believer in the power of positive thinking. All well and good up until the point where she no longer had any sympathy for other people being sick, telling people that it was "only in [thier] mind." No. When one of my friends got mono, the illness was a physical thing caused by an infection, not "negative thoughts", and she really did have to sleep 12 hours a day. Some people who get to be big adherents of metaphysical philosophical systems completely lose sight of things like that, and the less-than-compassionate implications of their beliefs.
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    Jun 24, 2009 5:31 PM GMT
    meninlove said

    This:" By combining focus with patience and positive thinking, almost anything can be accomplished!"


    ...two thumbs up.


    Things within your reach can be accomplished, others you probably won't be able to. A metaphor of rock climbing is somewhat appropriate: each time you successfully accomplish something you move yourself to a new place that likely will allow you to reach higher. Your next achievement depends on your past achievements, not just faith and thinking. Being successful also depends on smart route finding, because some places do not have paths to go up, only to go down. Sometimes you need to go down first before going up higher on a promising path.
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    Jun 24, 2009 5:37 PM GMT
    Oh, I love it. This topic never fails to inspire flames. People always have to chime in so they can pat themselves on the back as they demonstrate how rational and superior they are.

    We get it. If we send you a card officially conceding that you are infinitely smarter and more learned that the rest of us, will you shut the fuck up and get back to curing cancer, HIV, discovering cold fusion or whatever it is this diversion is taking you away from?
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    Jun 24, 2009 5:43 PM GMT
    Blackguy4you said

    does this work with winning the lotto as well?


    Amen. This is the ONLY moment I require some mystic quasi-religious mumbo jumbo! Let me manifest those winning numbers!

    As for the power of positive thinking - which is what we called this stuff in the 80s - of course it has benefits. To believe in something, to place faith, devotes intense power, esp. when dealing with setbacks.
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    Jun 24, 2009 5:51 PM GMT
    Read something interesting somewhere -- that reality may allow for a Law of Filtering, but not always a Law of Attraction

    The Law of Filtering works this way:

    You want a million dollars. Your mind begins to filter out opportunities to make a million bucks. And so you do. Now see, that happens. That, you can develop. But telling people that they've attracted their own cancer -- that's playing God, and doing a messed-up job at it.

    There you go.
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    Jun 24, 2009 6:06 PM GMT
    jprichva said
    the_others said But telling people that they've attracted their own cancer -- that's playing God, and doing a messed-up job at it.

    It's more than that.
    When you get the urge to tell someone a thing like that, even if you think it's true, you have to ask yourself if the other person can benefit in any real way from hearing it.

    In the case of a cancer patient so far gone that he died shortly afterwards, I'd have to say that the remark was not just callous but really unnecessary.

    Unless, of course, this wasn't really about the patient at all, but rather a chance for the eager disciple to get patted on the head by showing off how well he'd learned his seminar lessons.

    This is why it's narcissism, and disgusting.


    I looked it up in another book. It's borderline evil. You don't build a reputation or get validated at the cost of other people's sense of self-worth. And a person about to lose everything, at that. But hey... we humans are capable of a very wide spectrum of behaviours icon_neutral.gif

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    Jun 24, 2009 7:47 PM GMT



    LOL Bill and I are NOT believers in this Law of Attraction, which we know about, Est, which I was dragged to a meeting of once (what a tale that is) or Lifestream.

    However, the psychological aspect of positive thinking, like DanielQQ suggested, does have merits.

    In ancient times, when Bill and I were little, it was called being optimistic.


    Here's an old song By The Manhattan Transfer with Gene Pistilli

    sorry - too old to make it onto YouTube! lol

    Sunny Disposish

    A sunny disposish will always see you through
    When up above the skies are black instead of being blue
    Mr. trouble makes our faces roll on not a smile
    Without his saying ’so long’ (I’m on my way!)

    It really doesn’t pay to be a gloomy pill
    It’s absolutely most ridic, positively sil,
    The rain may pitter patter
    It really doesn’t matter
    For life can be delish
    With a sunny disposish!

    It really doesn’t pay to be a gloomy pill
    It’s absolutely most ridic, positively sil,
    The rain may pitter patter
    It really doesn’t matter
    For life can be delish
    With a sunny disposish!


    Thirties quick tempo with banjo....icon_lol.gif


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    Jun 24, 2009 7:50 PM GMT
    I've been trying very hard to levitate for about 30 years now. Often, when people ask "what are you doing?" I share with them my passion for levitation. I know it's gonna happen one of these days. I know it I know it and I'm not ashamed.
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    Jun 24, 2009 8:52 PM GMT
    I recently attended a very interesting Iguana Education seminar which was really transformative. It was the introductory Iguana Forum, for only $395, and it showed me that my negative thoughts were inhibiting communication and preventing me from actualizing. One of the things I learned in the Iguana Forum was to communicate better to others, and in particular to tell them how helpful the Iguana Forum has been to me. In fact, I just finished the last session of IF, and the instructor told us, who were all crying at the time, to immediately call 5 of our friends and tell them about our transformation, and encourage them to sign up for the Iguana Forum. So I'm posting here, in tears, to encourage you all to sign up.

    I'm going to go on to the Iguana Education Advanced Course (only $850), and additional coursework (Power, Self-Expression, Wisdom, Happiness, Creativity, Love, Sex, Mastery, Control, Domination, Total and Complete Domination of Your Dominion) on my way to becoming an Iguana Leader. I think I'll have to get a third mortgage to pay for it, but I learned in the Iguana Forum that you need to invest in yourself or stay forever locked into your "shtick" (which is a term we learned in the forum).
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    Jun 24, 2009 9:00 PM GMT
    iguanaSF saidI recently attended a very interesting Iguana Education seminar which was really transformative


    Bring back EST.... icon_razz.gif ...and every other self-help, give me lots of money and you will be transformed "seminar series".

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erhard_Seminars_Training
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    Wow, the song's even older than I thought!

    More lyrics too.





    ...and it's free!
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    Jun 25, 2009 5:35 AM GMT
    get2knowit saidAnother beginning for the future will be something along these lines

    Federal Career contract preparation in education systems so as to be ready to present a confidentiality agreement when a backround check and credit check can be taken by an employer to ensure open freedom of extroversion to those willing to be a receiver of material fundamentals and privacy for the wealthy.


    Oh pumkin. You're sweet and cute as a button, but I still have no idea what you're talking about.icon_biggrin.gif
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    Jun 25, 2009 6:27 AM GMT
    To the OP:

    Faith without works is dead.

    Wanting something should lead to action, and it is the action that makes it come about. Your brain has no power outside of 10 millimeters from your skull, being nullified by the earth's own magnetic field. But inside your skull it can induce nerve signals, muscle contraction, earth moving. Apply that and leave the "Law of Attraction" nonsense to impotent dreamers and flim flam hucksters.

    This sharing with others, honoring with integrity is pretty talk, and I know that it sells Forum seats. If you come to me (and maybe someday we'll meet) and say, I will own such-and-such a plot of land someday, I will pat you on the shoulder. But until you earn it with work (and money), your words and intent are meaningless.

    Go, get a job, and make your life happen. You'll get a lot more work done on the weekends NOT spent in some hotel conference room.
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    Jun 25, 2009 6:30 AM GMT
    The next step after "The Secret" is realizing "Quantum Reality" .That is ,you aren't just wishing for good stuff to come to you but you are actually the creator and the center of your universe. This is not a meditation , not a mental construction its the reality and the meaning of an infinite universe.
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    Jun 25, 2009 7:12 AM GMT
    mickeytopogigio saidTo the OP:

    You'll get a lot more work done on the weekends NOT spent in some hotel conference room.


    I should mention here that the Iguana Education Forums are conducted in the finest Middle School Cafetoriums available -- locations worldwide.
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    Jun 25, 2009 10:02 AM GMT
    Oh, wow, I've missed a lot. But let us think about this:

    Man has often theorized laws about the working of the universe. Eg. Judeo-Christianity has the relationship between God and man, the Hindus have the Law of Karma, the New Agers have just developed the Law of Attraction.

    Used properly, each of these laws can give a full picture of reality. Abused, each can give a very perverted view of the truth.

    Eg. When Christ came across the blind man, people asked him, “Who, sinned; this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?”
    Used properly, the Judeo-Christian worldview could have rendered an accurate, full picture of why this man was born blind. Used in ignorance, it could have done the opposite, as it did in the case of the people asking the question. In any case, Jesus invalidated the why question and pointed out a more important detail: the benevolent will of God for mankind, which he demonstrated by opening the man’s eyes. In time, Christianity would have the challenge of reconciling the much-hyped benevolence of God with a world racked with suffering.

    The Law of Karma states that everything that is happening now is the result of something that took place before. This in itself can give a fully accurate idea of why reality is the way it is. But you pervert the Law of Karma when you use it to accuse people of having done things to attract the most random, painful ordeals into their lives.

    The Law of Attraction states that you attract everything that you experience. And this concept can create and explain an entire world. But the mechanics and context of this are far more complex than a mere glance will let on. It is perverting the Law to simply say that you attracted the cancer, or the rape, or whatever. It is simplifying an entire law into a formula. It would be much easier to capture a storm in a teacup.

    A single law can paint an entire world much like a gifted artist can use one color to suggest the tone of any other color, eventually producing an entire School of Athens using a monochromatic color palette. But this, again, is an exceptionally gifted artist. A novice wouldn’t do it as well; in fact, much of the fine detail would be lost, the nuances, the suggestions…so much of the painting’s truth would be lost.

    And let’s face it: when it comes to using a single law consistently to explain reality? Most of us are novices, and lose much truth in our depiction. The only thing that helps us save face is the humility of acknowledging this.