It's very thorough. You can even send questions directly to the surgeon. And for people who think it's a quick fix, you should really do more research. This video clearly states that the band is only a tool and weight loss varies with the patient and his/her commitment.
Or you could just strap 100 pounds to your waist for a few weeks.
Keep in mind, it's not a quick fix it's a tool for a long term commitment to healthy and sustainable weight loss....
Oh and here's another
Oh and...FYI if someone was going to cut me open and rewire my digestive system, I'd damn well expect to be able to ask them questions in person not the ability to send him an email and have him get back to me
I have 2 close gym buddies both around 5'10. One larger frame guy other medium. The large guy lost 127 lbs in 19 months. The other went from a size 54 waist to a 34-he had to have surgery to remove loose skin. Both are really handsome guys, but you might not have noticed if they didn't put the time in the gym and ate right. It also took years off their apperance. I trained the large framed guy.
Ha Ha MsclDrew, that's hilarious. A very obvious way to point out how shallow and dodgy lap band surgery is. Here in Australia they're thinking of paying for lap band surgery to help address the obesity epidemic! What a waste of money, you can still eat crap with lap band, just not as much. You'd become a unhealthy, skinny bastard!
MikemikeMike saidI have 2 close gym buddies both around 5'10. One larger frame guy other medium. The large guy lost 127 lbs in 19 months. The other went from a size 54 waist to a 34-he had to have surgery to remove loose skin. Both are really handsome guys, but you might not have noticed if they didn't put the time in the gym and ate right. It also took years off their apperance. I trained the large framed guy.
I shan't slam you, OTWTM, after experiencing a sister get the surgery, I understand that it is a tool. I'm just not sure which tool. I love metaphor and when she got it I said she was trimming rose bushes with a chain saw. Is dieting really so hard that you have to have serious surgery that alters your body drastically? My sister lost the weight fast, but she is so different. When she was big it wasn't droopy fat, she was kinda built like a volley ball girl: big hips, breast, athletic, but by no means a petite girl. She was strong too, if she was in a full stride and you reached out and grabbed her arm, she'd take you with her.
...not anymore. She is so skinny now and she never eats. Turns out the diet for that surgery is pretty strict and some things just won't stay down. If I grabbed her arm today, I bet I might hurt her. Good news is, she got counseling before this thing and it really has opened her eyes a lot to why she was big (had tons to do with our mother....not surprising). Her diet has changed her kids eating habits too. They had never even heard of soy milk, now that's all she buys. Still, the diet seems to be so strict until it's taken the fun out of eating for her and I imagine that not knowing what food might disagree with you is frustrating.
Getting counseling, finding the root of the problem, changing her eating habits all could have been done without this surgery.
However, I brought her up before in pertinence to your issue. I can say with much certainty that she wasn't going to lose the weight being and living the way she was. For her the surgery definitely ushered a lot of things in that I know she wouldn't have accepted without it.
The question becomes, can I dedicate myself the proper way in the gym and lose this weight? If the answer is no, you might as well go for this surgery because I pep talk from any jock can’t compete with an internal deterrent, something that through no fault of your own, I seem to have without lap band and you lack.
The question becomes, can I dedicate myself the proper way in the gym and lose this weight? If the answer is no, you might as well go for this surgery because I pep talk from any jock can’t compete with an internal deterrent, something that through no fault of your own, I seem to have without lap band and you lack.
Your question assumes this is just a quick fix. It's not! Can I dedicate myself the proper way to the gym? ABSOLUTELY!!!! But losing and gaining the same sixty pounds over and over is unbearable. I don't want to keep setting myself up for the heartache of failure anymore.
Another thing, the lap band procedure has not done as well (as far as weight kept off) in long term patients as gastric bypass has done in recent history. I'm not saying you should get Bypass surgery (especially if discipline is the problem) but ask a HELL of a lot of questions in person.
I know someone who went through a great educational, and informative program that informed them about Gastric Bypass surgery (and what to expect before afterwards) before this person ever went under the knife.
You should do the same for this procedure if it's something you are seriously considering.
Buffyfan84 saidAnother thing, the lap band procedure has not done as well (as far as weight kept off) in long term patients as gastric bypass has done in recent history. I'm not saying you should get Bypass surgery (especially if discipline is the problem) but ask a HELL of a lot of questions in person.
I know someone who went through a great educational, and informative program that informed them about Gastric Bypass surgery (and what to expect before afterwards) before this person ever went under the knife.
You should do the same for this procedure if it's something you are seriously considering.
Well, my first consultation is July 21st. I have plenty of time between now and the surgery to ask questions and get information.
anyone see the Biggest Loser this year? Ron had bypass surgery and was 400+lbs, its about behavior, not the technique of how you lose it. Eat less, dont eat your emotions, work through them.
Well it seems to be some sort of really skinny dude nailed to a 2 by 4, an alcoholic sheep, some dude with a bowl cut pointing and laughing at DIY disaster guy and a women in a really butt ugly wedding dress making out with a 12 year old...
Maybe a comedy skit of some sort? Honey i told you to read the instructions on that nail gun
Seriously though it is that simple either you would rather be thin and healthy or you would rather sit on your ass and eat cookies...One of those impulses is overriding the other
Even if you have this band don't you still have the same problem? Controlling your urge to eat more than your body needs?
I've heard that some people who have this type of surgery end up liquidising their meals and drinking it through a straw just so they can get continue to eat large amounts of food.
chuckystud saidSame guy. Same stuff. Different year. Same advice. Cry me a river.
We've been telling him the same thing for two years, but, he won't change, or, get the help.
Whatever.
Read about it in the obits.
Aren't I getting the help? My doctor told me he's never seen anyone with my health issues get better without surgical intervention. That's what i'm planning to do.
MsclDrew saidWell it seems to be some sort of really skinny dude nailed to a 2 by 4, an alcoholic sheep, some dude with a bowl cut pointing and laughing at DIY disaster guy and a women in a really butt ugly wedding dress making out with a 12 year old...
Maybe a comedy skit of some sort? Honey i told you to read the instructions on that nail gun
Seriously though it is that simple either you would rather be thin and healthy or you would rather sit on your ass and eat cookies...One of those impulses is overriding the other
Truth can be a bitch, but, this is darn funny.
You forgot to mention the boys were always contradicting themselves, and 12 of them hung out together and had a foot thing going. LMAO.
What needs fixed is the brain, and not the stomach. Compulsive is compulsive. Once the small stomach is stretched back out, you're right back where you started. Sure doesn't take a brainiac to figure that out.
Most folks I've met that have had the bands end right back where they started, or worse, within five years.
I have a friend that just got out of the hospital after gastric bypass surgery. She was supposed to be in for 3 days, but was in for 2 weeks. As my office is one block from the hospital, I went and visited her every day for lunch when others couldn't. She had major complications with her diabetes, heart rates, etc. It's been really rough for her. This was a last ditch effort for her, but I really wish she could have just done it through diet and exercise, but she didn't have the internal resources for that.
lilTanker saidit so begs the question, who, is the bigger tool.
You don't want to gain and lose that same 60 pounds, then when you lose 60 pounds don't stuff your gawd damned face with food..
WOW revolutionary I might write a book.
You know, I wish it were that easy.
Stop making god damn excuses for your self, unless you have some wildly odd medical problem or a thyroid condition, shut the fuck up and eat properly, get off your god damned arse and move.
Do something, stuff your face if you want, but quit bitching about it and do it!
i would suggest you speak with a therapist, or a well informed personal trainer, so they can establish what intrinsic motivation you have towards exercise and also complete motivational interviewing. If you know anyone who has a degree in exercise physiology or a related field, they should be informed on may ways to help people start and adhere to exercise.
I would also suggest doing exercise and maintaining a proper diet over the surgery. The surgery has more changes in one's physiology that you'd think. Not only are you're hormone levels crazy, but people have been shown to experience different gait patterns, some being bad (i helped conduct some biomechanics research for this). And although being obese typically shows compensation at other joints while ambulating, (one would think that after surgery, and having lost weight, they would return to 'normal', most do) there can be changes in torque values and different stress on muscles that could lead to odd patterns of muscle coactivity.
Basically when someone looses all the weight, the body tries to adapt, but not all people are successful at doing so, and have walking problems with their joints, not to mention the other body systems that are affect by crazy hormone levels.
Just freaking do it the health way and loose the weight naturally.
I'm struggling to not go trying to hit on that zs... the last poster, but, dude, if you need surgery to stop eating, the problem is not in your stomach, it's in your brain. You gotta get over whatever is making you eat so much, and that's upstairs, not in your stomach.
barriehomeboy saidI'm struggling to not go trying to hit on that zs... the last poster, but, dude, if you need surgery to stop eating, the problem is not in your stomach, it's in your brain. You gotta get over whatever is making you eat so much, and that's upstairs, not in your stomach.
if there is some physiological imbalance between lechtin and grehlin (sp?) the two hormones that regulate one's hunger and satiety, then yea i understand, but if someone is normal and does not have those problems, it could be psychological, but honestly i think that they just aren't motivated to do it. Its hard work, thats true, but there shouldn't be anything thats making someone eat so much, unless they have some sort of condition.
I think they should suck it up and stick to it. The surgery doesn't stop ppl from eating, they can still eat unhealthy food, and can sometimes gain lost weight back
People eat because they are hungry, or think they are or need to be. Nobody knows what their blood levels are. But you're so hot I'll agree with you anyway.
barriehomeboy saidI'm struggling to not go trying to hit on that zs... the last poster, but, dude, if you need surgery to stop eating, the problem is not in your stomach, it's in your brain. You gotta get over whatever is making you eat so much, and that's upstairs, not in your stomach.
if there is some physiological imbalance between lechtin and grehlin (sp?) the two hormones that regulate one's hunger and satiety, then yea i understand, but if someone is normal and does not have those problems, it could be psychological, but honestly i think that they just aren't motivated to do it. Its hard work, thats true, but there shouldn't be anything thats making someone eat so much, unless they have some sort of condition.
I think they should suck it up and stick to it. The surgery doesn't stop ppl from eating, they can still eat unhealthy food, and can sometimes gain lost weight back
Even hormone control can be regulated
Grehlen is produced by the stomoch lining so a person that over consumes, secretes more into the blood stream when they go on a diet. Empty stomach lining rubs off of itself and secretes it into the blood stream. That's why it's important to eat lots of v.low calorie density food as opposed to eating a tiny amount of a high calorie density food. Eventually after up to two weeks a formerly obese persons level will drop to that of a normal person. This most often what drives weight regain. Also in addition to cortisol which increases fat tissue, ghrelin production shoots right up if you don't sleep enough
Or, and this is not a healthy solution but I've seen it done. You can freeze a cotton wool ball into ice cubes and eat them to prevent the hormone being produced
As far as lechtin, I think you mean leptin, there's not a lot you can do. Everyone has a range in which the hormone should fall. But again the more you consume. The greater your leptin levels will drop out of range when you stop...my professor describes it as a faulty thermostat, one which if it gets too cold, will turn on but the hotter it gets the less of a drop in temperature is need to turn it on. Leptin is a very long term hunger response and can take 2-6 months or even years to drop.
Lastly there's one more hormone, CCK, Cholecystokinin slows digestive process when you makes you feel satisfied, released when protein and fat enter the digestive tract in unison. Hence why a no fat diet is not a good idea, eating meals with small amounts of fat, 5-10g of fat will make it a lot easier to loose weight.
interesting there's a pressure point for the area of the brain effected by the hormone behind your ear lobe and some people me included can reduce hunger pangs by rolling their finger around that area
And that's just hunger and satiety....next week metabolism which is 100 times more complex
zsocerstar saidi would suggest you speak with a therapist, or a well informed personal trainer, so they can establish what intrinsic motivation you have towards exercise and also complete motivational interviewing. If you know anyone who has a degree in exercise physiology or a related field, they should be informed on may ways to help people start and adhere to exercise.
I would also suggest doing exercise and maintaining a proper diet over the surgery. The surgery has more changes in one's physiology that you'd think. Not only are you're hormone levels crazy, but people have been shown to experience different gait patterns, some being bad (i helped conduct some biomechanics research for this). And although being obese typically shows compensation at other joints while ambulating, (one would think that after surgery, and having lost weight, they would return to 'normal', most do) there can be changes in torque values and different stress on muscles that could lead to odd patterns of muscle coactivity.
Basically when someone looses all the weight, the body tries to adapt, but not all people are successful at doing so, and have walking problems with their joints, not to mention the other body systems that are affect by crazy hormone levels.
Just freaking do it the health way and loose the weight naturally.
Do you really think I might know someone with a degree in exercise physiology?
So....your doctor...the one that said that said he's never seen anyone recover with surgery and that it's just a weight loss tool and still requires motivation and effort in regards to exercise and diet
That guy, can't recommend a physiologist or nutritionist to help you
matt45710 saidI have a friend that just got out of the hospital after gastric bypass surgery. She was supposed to be in for 3 days, but was in for 2 weeks. As my office is one block from the hospital, I went and visited her every day for lunch when others couldn't. She had major complications with her diabetes, heart rates, etc. It's been really rough for her. This was a last ditch effort for her, but I really wish she could have just done it through diet and exercise, but she didn't have the internal resources for that.
Or perhaps she has just exhausted her internal resources. Like you said, it was a last-ditch effort for her.
OnTheWayToMe saidIt's very thorough. You can even send questions directly to the surgeon. And for people who think it's a quick fix, you should really do more research. This video clearly states that the band is only a tool and weight loss varies with the patient and his/her commitment.
Or you could just strap 100 pounds to your waist for a few weeks.
A very close family member had this surgery. She lost some weight, but after several years is still fat. Why? Humans are adaptable, and even though the surgery forces you to eat small portions (thereby taking away the responsibility of doing it for yourself) she simply eats high calorie crap in bite sizes all day long - and remains obese.
She can't eat a satisfying meal ever again - because the system won't take it. She is depressed because she knows that this surgery, that was supposed to transform her, didn't work - because of her own behavior.
To top it off, her system will never be able to support a truly healthy change should she choose to do it. Why? Because you have to be able to eat in order to get healthy, and that's pretty much a lost cause now.
barriehomeboy saidI'm struggling to not go trying to hit on that zs... the last poster, but, dude, if you need surgery to stop eating, the problem is not in your stomach, it's in your brain. You gotta get over whatever is making you eat so much, and that's upstairs, not in your stomach.
if there is some physiological imbalance between lechtin and grehlin (sp?) the two hormones that regulate one's hunger and satiety, then yea i understand, but if someone is normal and does not have those problems, it could be psychological, but honestly i think that they just aren't motivated to do it. Its hard work, thats true, but there shouldn't be anything thats making someone eat so much, unless they have some sort of condition.
I think they should suck it up and stick to it. The surgery doesn't stop ppl from eating, they can still eat unhealthy food, and can sometimes gain lost weight back
Even hormone control can be regulated
Grehlen is produced by the stomoch lining so a person that over consumes, secretes more into the blood stream when they go on a diet. Empty stomach lining rubs off of itself and secretes it into the blood stream. That's why it's important to eat lots of v.low calorie density food as opposed to eating a tiny amount of a high calorie density food. Eventually after up to two weeks a formerly obese persons level will drop to that of a normal person. This most often what drives weight regain. Also in addition to cortisol which increases fat tissue, ghrelin production shoots right up if you don't sleep enough
Or, and this is not a healthy solution but I've seen it done. You can freeze a cotton wool ball into ice cubes and eat them to prevent the hormone being produced
As far as lechtin, I think you mean leptin, there's not a lot you can do. Everyone has a range in which the hormone should fall. But again the more you consume. The greater your leptin levels will drop out of range when you stop...my professor describes it as a faulty thermostat, one which if it gets too cold, will turn on but the hotter it gets the less of a drop in temperature is need to turn it on. Leptin is a very long term hunger response and can take 2-6 months or even years to drop.
Lastly there's one more hormone, CCK, Cholecystokinin slows digestive process when you makes you feel satisfied, released when protein and fat enter the digestive tract in unison. Hence why a no fat diet is not a good idea, eating meals with small amounts of fat, 5-10g of fat will make it a lot easier to loose weight.
interesting there's a pressure point for the area of the brain effected by the hormone behind your ear lobe and some people me included can reduce hunger pangs by rolling their finger around that area
And that's just hunger and satiety....next week metabolism which is 100 times more complex
So you're saying the body is a chemistry set and that it gets messed up if you're obese. So answer this question: Why would you tell someone to spend years fighting to make their chemistry set work properly when they have the option of fixing the problem in a matter of months?
So you're saying the body is a chemistry set and that it gets messed up if you're obese. So answer this question: Why would you tell someone to spend years fighting to make their chemistry set work properly when they have the option of fixing the problem in a matter of months?
You completely missed the point
Your body is not intrinsically messed it up biochemically, It is a natural balanced system of tens of millions of chemical interactions and reactions. No it's not perfect but it can't be because evolution wouldn't work if it was
You messed it up, this is your fault from your poor choices and lack of and respect for your body
To use a metaphor if you buy a car, run it to the ground on poor quality fuel, never changing the oil or servicing the parts and then turn around when it breaks down in middle of nowhere say you must have the one messed up auto.
Neither can you think, well if I just put a new can of oil in it, it will fix all the problems.
So you're saying the body is a chemistry set and that it gets messed up if you're obese. So answer this question: Why would you tell someone to spend years fighting to make their chemistry set work properly when they have the option of fixing the problem in a matter of months?
1) There is no guarantee that the "matter of months" attempt will actually fix anything. There is a guarantee that it will screw up your GI system and prevent you from eating normal healthy meals. There is an automatic downside, the potential for more (complications, etc), and only a possibility of an upside.
2) If the surgery does result in a health benefit, it will only be because you end up changing what and how you eat, and if and how you exercise.
3) For pretty much anything in biology, a slow gradual change is better than a rapid one. As one of the previous posters has pointed out, rapid weight loss can result in joint problems, as your body tries to compensate for its rapidly changing dimensions. Hormone imbalances are common in rapidly changing weights. So is loose, excess skin. Whichever motivates you most -- injury avoidance, biochemical health, or vanity -- you're better off with a slow, steady change than a rapid one.
Essentially, people have been pointing out that successful outcomes even with this surgery depend on having the willpower to stick to a diet and exercise plan. If you have that, though, it's very unlikely that you need to undergo the surgery to get those results.
And, fundamentally, if you're arguing about how much time it would take: think back on all of the times over the past 2 years you've posted on here asking for help on losing weight (I can find posts from at least 2007--they may have existed earlier as well). You were consistently advised to take it slow, only losing 1-1.5 pound a week, because that would be as fast as you could sustain in a healthy manner for a long period of time. You insisted that that was too slow, you needed to lose weight faster, and so you ignored the advice. Instead, you've yo-yoed the same 60 pounds repeatedly. If you had consistently lost 1 pound a week and kept it off -- by sticking to a plan that was gradual and sustainable and wouldn't lead to these large fluctuations -- you'd already be down almost 100 pounds. It's something to keep in mind when trying to figure out how long things will take: sometimes the slow, gradual, sustainable change gets you where you want to be faster than the higher risk rapid attempts.
The question becomes, can I dedicate myself the proper way in the gym and lose this weight? If the answer is no, you might as well go for this surgery because I pep talk from any jock can’t compete with an internal deterrent, something that through no fault of your own, I seem to have without lap band and you lack.
Your question assumes this is just a quick fix. It's not! Can I dedicate myself the proper way to the gym? ABSOLUTELY!!!! But losing and gaining the same sixty pounds over and over is unbearable. I don't want to keep setting myself up for the heartache of failure anymore.
Ok, so can you dedicate yourself enough outside of the gym? Sweet peas, OTWTM, you analyzing this decision reminds me of the month or two before my first time with a man. Let's just say I know how this will end. Sleeping with a man wasn't a quick fix either...it ushered in gay drama! In other words, everything comes with something. This surgery will come with pros and cons....staying the same will too.
So you're saying the body is a chemistry set and that it gets messed up if you're obese. So answer this question: Why would you tell someone to spend years fighting to make their chemistry set work properly when they have the option of fixing the problem in a matter of months?
You completely missed the point
Your body is not intrinsically messed it up biochemically, It is a natural balanced system of tens of millions of chemical interactions and reactions. No it's not perfect but it can't be because evolution wouldn't work if it was
You messed it up, this is your fault from your poor choices and lack of and respect for your body
To use a metaphor if you buy a car, run it to the ground on poor quality fuel, never changing the oil or servicing the parts and then turn around when it breaks down in middle of nowhere say you must have the one messed up auto.
Neither can you think, well if I just put a new can of oil in it, it will fix all the problems.
Short term fixs aren't longterm solutions
Get a grip man.
Regardless of how it happened, the fact is the chemistry set needs to be fixed. And with my health issues it needs to be fixed now! .
So you're saying the body is a chemistry set and that it gets messed up if you're obese. So answer this question: Why would you tell someone to spend years fighting to make their chemistry set work properly when they have the option of fixing the problem in a matter of months?
1) There is no guarantee that the "matter of months" attempt will actually fix anything. There is a guarantee that it will screw up your GI system and prevent you from eating normal healthy meals. There is an automatic downside, the potential for more (complications, etc), and only a possibility of an upside.
2) If the surgery does result in a health benefit, it will only be because you end up changing what and how you eat, and if and how you exercise.
3) For pretty much anything in biology, a slow gradual change is better than a rapid one. As one of the previous posters has pointed out, rapid weight loss can result in joint problems, as your body tries to compensate for its rapidly changing dimensions. Hormone imbalances are common in rapidly changing weights. So is loose, excess skin. Whichever motivates you most -- injury avoidance, biochemical health, or vanity -- you're better off with a slow, steady change than a rapid one.
Essentially, people have been pointing out that successful outcomes even with this surgery depend on having the willpower to stick to a diet and exercise plan. If you have that, though, it's very unlikely that you need to undergo the surgery to get those results.
And, fundamentally, if you're arguing about how much time it would take: think back on all of the times over the past 2 years you've posted on here asking for help on losing weight (I can find posts from at least 2007--they may have existed earlier as well). You were consistently advised to take it slow, only losing 1-1.5 pound a week, because that would be as fast as you could sustain in a healthy manner for a long period of time. You insisted that that was too slow, you needed to lose weight faster, and so you ignored the advice. Instead, you've yo-yoed the same 60 pounds repeatedly. If you had consistently lost 1 pound a week and kept it off -- by sticking to a plan that was gradual and sustainable and wouldn't lead to these large fluctuations -- you'd already be down almost 100 pounds. It's something to keep in mind when trying to figure out how long things will take: sometimes the slow, gradual, sustainable change gets you where you want to be faster than the higher risk rapid attempts.
I think to tell someone with my history (stroke, diabetes, hypertension, several hospital stays) to make small changes and hope for the best is a bit self-serving.
self-serving: 1. Serving one's own interests, especially without concern for the needs or interests of others. 2. Exhibiting concern solely for one's own interests
In order for a comment of mine to be self-serving, I would have to have something to gain from it. I don't. I have no interest, the way this definition is using the word, in which method of losing weight is better than which other one because I freely admit that the overwhelming majority of my skinniness is due to a freakishly high metabolism which is, in large part, genetic.
Your need is to get healthy, and part of that involves losing weight. The reason you've been consistently told to go slow and make lots and lots of small changes that add up to something big, rather than a single massive change, is that statistically your odds of success with the many small changes are much higher than with a single massive change. The advice does match your needs, just not your wants.
As I've said before on this topic, there is none so blind as he who will not see.
MSUBioNerd saidself-serving: 1. Serving one's own interests, especially without concern for the needs or interests of others. 2. Exhibiting concern solely for one's own interests
In order for a comment of mine to be self-serving, I would have to have something to gain from it. I don't. I have no interest, the way this definition is using the word, in which method of losing weight is better than which other one because I freely admit that the overwhelming majority of my skinniness is due to a freakishly high metabolism which is, in large part, genetic.
Your need is to get healthy, and part of that involves losing weight. The reason you've been consistently told to go slow and make lots and lots of small changes that add up to something big, rather than a single massive change, is that statistically your odds of success with the many small changes are much higher than with a single massive change. The advice does match your needs, just not your wants.
As I've said before on this topic, there is none so blind as he who will not see.
My stepmom lost 150lbs using Gastric Bypass, but I would never advise it for somebody that doesn't already diet and exercise regularly because we have known a couple people that gained the weight back by never changing their eating habits. It just basically keeps you from overeating. You will get sick and throw up A LOT in the beginning, and you will need to exercise and take supplements regularly to stay healthy.
The best and safest way to lose weight is by dieting and exercise. If you fail in this method, gastric surgery can be effective in reducing the following problems which are related to obesity.
* Type 2 (adult-onset) diabetes * High blood pressure * High blood cholesterol * Obstructive sleep apnea * Gastroesophageal reflux disease (GERD)
There are modifications to lifestyle that are necessary post surgery. The significant weight lost seen shortly after surgery gets partially reversed over time. After 10 years the weight loss is only 15% from baseline for banding. The graph is from the New England Journal of Medicine.
Banding is a safer and simpler procedure than bypass surgery. Banding is easy to reverse. Banding does not result in as much weight loss as the more risky bypass surgery.
I would recommend you read about the procedure from unbiased sites like the Mayo Clinic or Web MD.
MSUBioNerd said: ".... think back on all of the times over the past 2 years you've posted on here asking for help on losing weight (I can find posts from at least 2007--they may have existed earlier as well). You were consistently advised to take it slow, only losing 1-1.5 pound a week, because that would be as fast as you could sustain in a healthy manner for a long period of time. You insisted that that was too slow, you needed to lose weight faster, and so you ignored the advice. Instead, you've yo-yoed the same 60 pounds repeatedly. If you had consistently lost 1 pound a week and kept it off -- by sticking to a plan that was gradual and sustainable and wouldn't lead to these large fluctuations -- you'd already be down almost 100 pounds."
This says it all, Chaser, aka OTWTM: Just read his statement here over and over until you have memorized it.
Then:
1) Eat no more fast food or crap - eat fruit and vegetables instead; 2) Get to the gym - walk around the block - swim or walk the lanes in a pool; 3) Exercise every single day without fail - make it Priority One!
Just quit looking for a "quick fix" and get your head on straight. Your problem is mental - and gastric by-pass surgery is not always the key...........look at "fat-again" Al Roker. If you undergo the surgery - and don't get away from your sedentary unhealthy lifestyle - you'll just be fat all over again........you'll continue to be miserable and most likely be ill and pass away earlier than you would have normally - - - - without good male company in your life!
MunchingZombie brought up a very good question: What can this forum do for you?
It seems you're better off talking to a wall. I guarantee that at least 9 times out of 10 that a wall (brick, plaster — it doesn't matter) won't talk back to you and offer suggestions. But in that slim 1 out of 10 chance the wall does criticize you — call Ghostbusters.
You do realize you're arguing against the experts. And if "experts" is too strong of a word, you're arguing against practitioners who have witnessed firsthand the results of what a good diet and exercise can do.
And by the way, I sent a message via YouTube to the person who's clip you posted. I asked him questions regarding his lifestyle before and after the surgery. I'll post my e-mail to him and his response, should he respond. If you don't want to follow the good advice here, maybe you need to hear it from your poster boy.
OnTheWayToMe saidI should probably be suprised that nobody here commented on the video clip I posted. But i'm not.
1) You're wrong. Creature, the post 6.5 hours before you said this, commented on the video.
2) That "video" is a series of pictures. No accompanying information about his changes in diet, exercise, length of time that it took place. Even if we accept, for the sake of argument, that the changes were entirely due to the surgery and took place over a matter of months....that is one anecdote. On this very thread we've had multiple people write in about people they know who have had the surgery and had it result in things being worse for them than before they had it.
3) That "video" was supposedly in response to my previous posting, given that you quoted my posted and then embedded the clip. The "video" does not address a single point I made. At all. Why should someone bother to take the time to reply to you as if your post was actually part of a debate when you're ignoring the points of the perople you're allegedly responding to?
Just collecting multiple anecdotes doesn't give you data. You want data? You look at studies like the ones kneedraggen has linked to, with its accompanying graph showing long-term results of various surgical interventions.
OnTheWayToMe saidI should probably be suprised that nobody here commented on the video clip I posted. But i'm not.
I did not bother to watch the video. I had Lap Band surgery in September 2007 and have lost almost 80 lbs so far. I went from 255 to about 174ish. It is a tool for sure but a great one. I still want to lose another 10 lbs or so maybe more then go back to building up muscle.
My insurance didnt pay a dime toward the cost of the operation so I dished out the $17,000 plus to make that life change. Prior to the operation I was on six medications for everything from HBP to Type II diabetes, not to mention ED meds and sleep apnea. For well over a year I have not been on any drugs whatsoever.
It not only changed my life, but it saved my life.
OnTheWayToMe saidPeople's good deeds are used by the Eternal as seeds for planting trees in the Garden of Eden: thus, each of us creates our own Paradise.
- Rabbi Dov Baer, the Maggid of Mezeritz
This is a great reminder to me of why I need to do this.
Don't gluttons and purveyors of sloth burn waist deep in lava in the first level of hell as they continually stuff their faces and have their flesh torn of by ravenous dogs....
OnTheWayToMe saidI should probably be suprised that nobody here commented on the video clip I posted. But i'm not.
I did not bother to watch the video. I had Lap Band surgery in September 2007 and have lost almost 80 lbs so far. I went from 255 to about 174ish. It is a tool for sure but a great one. I still want to lose another 10 lbs or so maybe more then go back to building up muscle.
My insurance didnt pay a dime toward the cost of the operation so I dished out the $17,000 plus to make that life change. Prior to the operation I was on six medications for everything from HBP to Type II diabetes, not to mention ED meds and sleep apnea. For well over a year I have not been on any drugs whatsoever.
It not only changed my life, but it saved my life.
Guy
Finally!! Someone who has been there! I've heard that all that ails you can be stopped with this surgery. I too have diabetes and hbp. I also had a stroke and my weight causes to me to get into some scary situations involving balance (stairs anyone?). Just knowing that a few months after surgery I may be able to walk normally again makes me excited like you have no idea!
OnTheWayToMe saidFinally!! Someone who has been there! I've heard that all that ails you can be stopped with this surgery. I too have diabetes and hbp. I also had a stroke and my weight causes to me to get into some scary situations involving balance (stairs anyone?). Just knowing that a few months after surgery I may be able to walk normally again makes me excited like you have no idea!
If you wanted to talk to someone who had this procedure why would you try RealJock continually since 2007?
I just googled "Lap Band forum" and got a whole bunch of different sites. That might be more effective.
OnTheWayToMe saidFinally!! Someone who has been there! I've heard that all that ails you can be stopped with this surgery. I too have diabetes and hbp. I also had a stroke and my weight causes to me to get into some scary situations involving balance (stairs anyone?). Just knowing that a few months after surgery I may be able to walk normally again makes me excited like you have no idea!
If you wanted to talk to someone who had this procedure why would you try RealJock continually since 2007?
I just googled "Lap Band forum" and got a whole bunch of different sites. That might be more effective.
All I did was announce my plans. You're the one who went into attack mode.
Yup, this site has been attacking you/giving you thoughtful advice since 2007. What do you want? Why do you keep coming back? What can this forum do for you?
OnTheWayToMe saidI should probably be suprised that nobody here commented on the video clip I posted. But i'm not.
1) You're wrong. Creature, the post 6.5 hours before you said this, commented on the video.
2) That "video" is a series of pictures. No accompanying information about his changes in diet, exercise, length of time that it took place. Even if we accept, for the sake of argument, that the changes were entirely due to the surgery and took place over a matter of months....that is one anecdote. On this very thread we've had multiple people write in about people they know who have had the surgery and had it result in things being worse for them than before they had it.
3) That "video" was supposedly in response to my previous posting, given that you quoted my posted and then embedded the clip. The "video" does not address a single point I made. At all. Why should someone bother to take the time to reply to you as if your post was actually part of a debate when you're ignoring the points of the perople you're allegedly responding to?
Just collecting multiple anecdotes doesn't give you data. You want data? You look at studies like the ones kneedraggen has linked to, with its accompanying graph showing long-term results of various surgical interventions.
What it shows is a person who has had tremendous success with the very same thing you advise against. That's why your statements are self-serving.
OnTheWayToMe said I've heard that all that ails you can be stopped with this surgery. I too have diabetes and hbp. I also had a stroke and my weight causes to me to get into some scary situations involving balance (stairs anyone?). Just knowing that a few months after surgery I may be able to walk normally again makes me excited like you have no idea!
I'm wishing you health and a speedy recovery if you go through with the surgery.
I've heard that all that ails you can be stopped with this surgery.
Can I by chance interest you in this rock...It keeps tigers away
Why would you mock someone who is trying to change their life? Too feel good about youself perhaps?
Were all trying to change our lives for the better by simply being here on RJ
Some of us are doing it in a productive way, others are....perpetually asking for advice and not taking it, refusing to take personal responsibility and blaming everything and one for their problems and setting themselves up for failure on purpose
I was pointing out the specious reasoning in your argument, based on the fact your claiming it as a miracle solution to all your problems yet in your first post defended your self against been seen as taking the lazy ass route by saying it's just a tool
OnTheWayToMe saidI should probably be suprised that nobody here commented on the video clip I posted. But i'm not.
1) You're wrong. Creature, the post 6.5 hours before you said this, commented on the video.
2) That "video" is a series of pictures. No accompanying information about his changes in diet, exercise, length of time that it took place. Even if we accept, for the sake of argument, that the changes were entirely due to the surgery and took place over a matter of months....that is one anecdote. On this very thread we've had multiple people write in about people they know who have had the surgery and had it result in things being worse for them than before they had it.
3) That "video" was supposedly in response to my previous posting, given that you quoted my posted and then embedded the clip. The "video" does not address a single point I made. At all. Why should someone bother to take the time to reply to you as if your post was actually part of a debate when you're ignoring the points of the perople you're allegedly responding to?
Just collecting multiple anecdotes doesn't give you data. You want data? You look at studies like the ones kneedraggen has linked to, with its accompanying graph showing long-term results of various surgical interventions.
Kneegraggen didn't link to anything. He scanned a graph which you can hardly read.
To quote The Princess Bride "I do not think that word means what you think it means". Read the definition of self-serving. Read my paragraph explaining how I have no vested interested in how effective this surgery is. My statements cannot be self serving as they are not in any way advancing my interests, nor am I ignoring what's in your best interest; I'm only ignoring what you want reality to be.
If you can't read kneedraggen's graph, it shows long term outcomes of various different groups after some sort of surgical weight loss intervention. For lap band surgery, the minimum weight comes around 1 year in, and then begins rising after that Your current profile doesn't list a weight, but in a previous incarnation you professed a target of losing 150 pounds in 6 months. From the graph, of the 150 people who had banding surgery, the average weight lost at 6 months was about 18% of body weight. What are most likely 95% confidence intervals extend the maximum out to nearly 20%. For 18% of your body weight to be 150 pounds you would currently have to weigh 833 pounds. If you take the more generous 20% figure, which only 3-4 of the 150 people achieved, you'd "only" have to weigh 750 pounds right now to lose 150 pounds in 6 months. I'm guessing you weigh considerably less than that, so even with the surgery, that goal is not realistic.
I'm terrible at guessing peoples' weight -- particularly if the profile is just a picture from the neck up -- but say for the sake of argument that you weigh 350 at the moment. In one year, the lap band surgery could be expected to cut your weight down by 20%, meaning you'd weigh 280 pounds (and would have lost 70). If, instead, through diet and exercise you lost the slow and steady 1 pound a week -- a rate you have frequently stated is much too slow for you -- you would weigh 298 (having lost 52 pounds). If you managed to lose 1.5 pounds a week, which is not outside the realm of possibility if you've got a lot of excess weight to start, you would weigh 272 pounds, (having lost 78 ). If you weighed 400 pounds, the band would get you to 320, 1 pound a week would get you to 348, and 1.5 pounds per week would get you to 322 pounds in one year. A consistent program of diet and exercise leading to a slow 1-1.5 pounds lost per week turns out in a year's time to meet or exceed the banding operation for even most of the "obese"
MSUBioNerd saidTo quote The Princess Bride "I do not think that word means what you think it means". Read the definition of self-serving. Read my paragraph explaining how I have no vested interested in how effective this surgery is. My statements cannot be self serving as they are not in any way advancing my interests, nor am I ignoring what's in your best interest; I'm only ignoring what you want reality to be.
If you can't read kneedraggen's graph, it shows long term outcomes of various different groups after some sort of surgical weight loss intervention. For lap band surgery, the minimum weight comes around 1 year in, and then begins rising after that Your current profile doesn't list a weight, but in a previous incarnation you professed a target of losing 150 pounds in 6 months. From the graph, of the 150 people who had banding surgery, the average weight lost at 6 months was about 18% of body weight. What are most likely 95% confidence intervals extend the maximum out to nearly 20%. For 18% of your body weight to be 150 pounds you would currently have to weigh 833 pounds. If you take the more generous 20% figure, which only 3-4 of the 150 people achieved, you'd "only" have to weigh 750 pounds right now to lose 150 pounds in 6 months. I'm guessing you weigh considerably less than that, so even with the surgery, that goal is not realistic.
I'm terrible at guessing peoples' weight -- particularly if the profile is just a picture from the neck up -- but say for the sake of argument that you weigh 350 at the moment. In one year, the lap band surgery could be expected to cut your weight down by 20%, meaning you'd weigh 280 pounds (and would have lost 70). If, instead, through diet and exercise you lost the slow and steady 1 pound a week -- a rate you have frequently stated is much too slow for you -- you would weigh 298 (having lost 52 pounds). If you managed to lose 1.5 pounds a week, which is not outside the realm of possibility if you've got a lot of excess weight to start, you would weigh 272 pounds, (having lost 78 ). If you weighed 400 pounds, the band would get you to 320, 1 pound a week would get you to 348, and 1.5 pounds per week would get you to 322 pounds in one year. A consistent program of diet and exercise leading to a slow 1-1.5 pounds lost per week turns out in a year's time to meet or exceed the banding operation for even most of the "obese"
Sounds like slow and steady doesn't win the race. And what about people who do it through diet and exercise but can't keep it off?
It really would help if you would read a post before you reply to it.
The numbers I provided show that a steady loss of 1.5 pounds per week sustained for a year leads to equal or greater weight loss than does the banding surgery over the same time frame even for extremely obese men, and that the band alone cannot be expected to achieve your weight loss goals. How does that get interpreted as "slow and steady doesn't win the race"?
The numbers I picked were deliberately extreme. For example, this site tells me that at 40 years old, 95 percent of men weigh less than 255 pounds. If you were only 255 -- and therefore still in the 5% of heaviest men in the country -- the band procedure would be expected to drop your weight over the course of a year by 51 pounds. Losing 1 pound a week beats that slightly; losing 1.5 pounds a week gets it done in 34 weeks, which is less than 8 months. Advantage: slow, healthy weight loss.
There are some individuals for whom a healthy diet and a healthy exercise regimen will not work. Unfortunately, we on this site have no way of knowing if you're one of them, as you have yet to tell us about following a healthy diet. Instead, you've told us about extreme diets which numerous people on this site (me included) have told you are unhealthy, unsustainable, and less likely to work than the standard diet advice.
"Fuck healthy weightloss" does indeed seem to be your mantra, and as long as that's the case, you remain your own biggest obstacle.
Why do you keep asking the question when you know how people are going to react? I have read the post from a few months ago and this one, and it seems you just want to stir it up and get some attention
People have given you (and others) great advice on here(MSU Bionerd and others) and I took a lot of it for myself. I have taken the advice and partnered with my Doctor and came up with a plan.
Is it easy? No. Do I feel better? Yes! I have lost 19 pounds (in 50 days) so far and I am going to continue on this path. Before you start talking about medical issues, I have my own and guess what- they are fading away by loosing weight and getting more active.
If you want the surgery, go for it. If you don’t, listen to the advice people are giving. Just please stop asking the question.
OnTheWayToMe said Aren't I getting the help? My doctor told me he's never seen anyone with my health issues get better without surgical intervention. That's what i'm planning to do.
I have a hard time believing your doctor has never seen that when many of us have. Sounds like he's one part doctor, one part salesman.
I bet you this doctor wouldn't say the same thing.
You will not find much support for a surgical solution for obesity from RJ members. If you meet criteria, you can benefit from surgery. You know that surgery is not a panacea. There can be complications. Hard work is required to keep the initial weight loss off for the rest of your life. From the graph I posted earlier, maximum weight loss occurs at one year post surgery. If your not careful weight gain will occur over time. I have seen some major complications from gastric bypass (including a death from a pulmonary embolism post surgery). I would never undergo the procedure. I have no personal experience with banding; I can't comment on it.
The following was taken from WebMD
If you have a body mass index (BMI) of 40 or more -- which is about 100 pounds overweight for men and about 80 pounds for women -- you are considered severely obese and therefore a candidate for weight loss surgery.
Obesity surgery may also be an option for people with a BMI between 35 and 40 who suffer from obesity-related problems (for example, severe sleep apnea, obesity-related heart disease, or diabetes). For these people, the risk of death from not having the surgery may be greater than the risks from the possible complications from undergoing the procedures
In many cases, patients are required to show proof that their attempts at dietary weight loss have been ineffective before surgery will be approved. A psychological evaluation may be required by doctors to determine your potential response to weight loss and change in body image. Most surgeons require patients to demonstrate serious motivation and a clear understanding of the extensive dietary, exercise, and medical guidelines that must be followed for the remainder of their lives after having weight loss surgery. In addition, studies are performed to assess the health of your heart and hormonal systems. Nutritional counseling is also a must before and after surgery
[quote]You will not find much support for a surgical solution for obesity from RJ members.[/quote]
I'm already aware of that. It's kinda like "Hey, party's over here. Wanna join us? You have to be perfect. Just make sure your perfection takes as long as possible, if not till the day you die. We'll let you know when you can take a step toward us. "
1967mplsguy saidWhy do you keep asking the question when you know how people are going to react? I have read the post from a few months ago and this one, and it seems you just want to stir it up and get some attention
People have given you (and others) great advice on here(MSU Bionerd and others) and I took a lot of it for myself. I have taken the advice and partnered with my Doctor and came up with a plan.
Is it easy? No. Do I feel better? Yes! I have lost 19 pounds (in 50 days) so far and I am going to continue on this path. Before you start talking about medical issues, I have my own and guess what- they are fading away by loosing weight and getting more active.
If you want the surgery, go for it. If you don’t, listen to the advice people are giving. Just please stop asking the question.
If that's what works for you, fine. I could never be happy with that. 20-30 pounds a month or it's not even worth it.
OnTheWayToMe said[quote]You will not find much support for a surgical solution for obesity from RJ members.
I'm already aware of that. It's kinda like "Hey, party's over here. Wanna join us? You have to be perfect. Just make sure your perfection takes as long as possible, if not till the day you die. We'll let you know when you can take a step toward us. "[/quote]
You're being ridiculous. You came here voluntarily. You've been crying about your situation since day one. You say 20 - 30 pounds a month or it's not worth it. Everyday, people get beyond your defeatism and lose weight and keep it off. Not at 20 - 30 pounds a month. You think the laws of physics should bend for you when you won't bend a thing for yourself. When you throw your own pity party, don't be surprised when nobody comes. Stop eating like a pig, exercise and shut your pie hole with all the complaints. You're not special.
She didn't change here eatting habits and gained all the weight back.
So, she had another surgery.
Once again, she gained all the weight back and more. Now she is morbidly obese.
Doctors tend to only deal with drugs and surgery. You doctor will treat your weight problem--a symptom basically. But he will not fix the cause. This is where some doctors fail in medicine. We need preventative measures for dealing with disease and illness.
Invest your money in a trainer--my trainer pushes me so hard... I probably burn 700-800 calories a session.
Keep it in perspective it you spent thirty six years of irresponsible reckless behavior fucking up your health....It's stupid to think you can fix that in a matter of months...
Took me almost 8 months to get rid of 70 lbs....Worth every day of it
AND WTF do the math
2500 calorie requirement a day, 3500 calorie deficit required to loose a lb of body fat....try and add that up to 20-30lbs of fat loss in a month
kneedraggen saidYou will not find much support for a surgical solution for obesity from RJ members.
I'm already aware of that. It's kinda like "Hey, party's over here. Wanna join us? You have to be perfect. Just make sure your perfection takes as long as possible, if not till the day you die. We'll let you know when you can take a step toward us. "
Sorry, but I don't buy that.... You've been around here long enough to know who's here and what they are going to say. If that (above) is really how you feel about the RealJock community, then you clearly instigated this discussion for drama. If you're doing what you believe is right for you, then you really didn't need the input, feedback, or approval or anything from anyone on this site, did you? It's your life... Just do what you think you have to do to live comfortably in your own skin, and stop trying to solicit the feedback of people who disapprove for whatever reason.
If you don't want to get kicked, don't play "Kick me."
MsclDrew saidKeep it in perspective it you spent thirty six years of irresponsible reckless behavior fucking up your health....It's stupid to think you can fix that in a matter of months...
Took me almost 8 months to get rid of 70 lbs....Worth every day of it
AND WTF do the math
2500 calorie requirement a day, 3500 calorie deficit required to loose a lb of body fat....try and add that up to 20-30lbs of fat loss in a month
8 months! That would drive me insane!
Never fails how those who have been there turn around and throw rocks.
MsclDrew saidKeep it in perspective it you spent thirty six years of irresponsible reckless behavior fucking up your health....It's stupid to think you can fix that in a matter of months...
Took me almost 8 months to get rid of 70 lbs....Worth every day of it
AND WTF do the math
2500 calorie requirement a day, 3500 calorie deficit required to loose a lb of body fat....try and add that up to 20-30lbs of fat loss in a month
8 months! That would drive me insane!
Never fails how those who have been there turn around and throw rocks.
So, when someone like me (who hasn't lost a substantial amount of weight) tells you that it's healthier to do it through diet and exercise and a consistent weight loss that's slower than what you want, we "just don't get it" because we "haven't been there", and therefore couldn't know what we're talking about it.
When you're told that your plans of losing weight are way too fast, you've said "Just once I'd love to hear that from someone who has been there. Maybe just to lend validity to the statement."
When someone like MsclDrew (who has lost a substantial amount of weight) tells you that it's better to do it through diet and exercise and a consistent weight loss that's slower than what you want, you say it "never fails how those who have been there turn around and throw rocks."
You're not looking for advice. You're not looking for knowledge. You're not looking for help in becoming healthy. You're looking for someone who will tell you exactly what you want to hear. And right now, what you want to hear is that this surgery will automatically fix everything and get you to your target weight by your target date. Unfortunately for you, you are not Franklin Richards, and reality does not bend to your will.
It's not the surgery itself that is causing the negative reaction you've been receiving. Nor is it the fact that you're currently obese -- there are lots of threads from guys stating that they've just begun a new diet and workout plan and are looking for encouragement, and where essentially all the responses are positive and supportive. The problem is the attitude you have repeatedly displayed. You ask for advice, and ignore what you're told. You quote posts in your responses when you have clearly not read what is written. You have been objectively, demonstrably wrong on factual issues (on this thread alone, we've got what self-serving means, what the data shows from long-term studies of people who have undergone weight loss surgery, and whether anyone had commented on one of your postings) and you don't admit that you're wrong, you just stop talking about them as if they never happened. You've asked for threads to be deleted because people were picking on you too much, when fewer than 1 in 10 of the responses were personal attacks--the others were merely either refuting your assumptions or giving you advice on what to do and what sort of goals are realistic. You characterize following solid advice as "hoping for the best" when your expectations of what will happen if you undergo the surgery are completely out of touch with reality. You cherry-pick a few examples of people who have lost a very large amount of weight with the surgery and expect that it will happen to you in a couple of months, without acknowledging that you don't know how long it took these people, you don't know what changes they made in their diet and exercise regimens, you don't know how long they've kept it off, that there are at least as many examples of people for whom the surgery did not result in long-term benefits, and that the data show that your chosen few are not the typical results because they've lost way more weight than most people who have the surgery ever do.
I've been figuratively biting my tongue and avoiding saying anything particularly harsh toward you in the many, many months of your postings, but I'm pretty much at the end of my rope. You have yet to display the emotional or intellectual maturity of an adult on this site. It is no wonder that people do not respond positively to you, and it's not because they're shallow. If you do not act with any depth or sincerity, it is not reasonable for you to expect others to treat you with it.
And since you still seem to be having problems with grasping this despite it being spelled out pretty directly, THE BANDING SURGERY WILL NOT RESULT IN 20-30 POUNDS OF WEIGHT LOSS PER MONTH for any significant length of time. That is clearly shown on the graph kneedraggen posted, and I've reiterated the math as well. A 350 pound man would expect to lose 70 pounds IN A YEAR with the banding surgery, and in their life post-surgery, they'd expect the lowest weight they would achieve would be at the 1 year mark--the average patient begins to gain weight after that point. A 255 pound man, who is in the top 5% of weight of men in this country, would lose on average 51 pounds in a year with this surgery. Losing 1 to 1.5 pounds a week -- which means 4.5 to 6.5 pounds per month -- is AS FAST OR FASTER than the average weight lost by the banding surgery over the course of a year.
Since you'll almost certain dismiss my advice on weight loss yet again, I offer instead a different bit of advice. In general, very few people on this site believe you're serious about actually making the difficult changes in your life that will be necessary to get into good health. If you want to change that impression, and get us to take you seriously and be helpful and/or supportive in the future:
- Admit when you're wrong. Particularly if it's been proven to you in public.
- Let go of completely unrealistic assumptions. Face reality as it is, not what you want it to be. 20-30 pounds of weight loss per month is not going to happen, surgery or not, in any sustainable or healthy manner.
- Read postings before you reply to them. Don't just skim them over and assume they say what you want them to say. Listening does not mean simply waiting for the other person to finish so that you can speak again.
- Don't respond primarily to those people who you feel are attacking you. Respond to the people who take the time to try to be helpful, but only after you've taken the time to read what they've said and actually thought about it.
- If you have a problem with a piece of advice, articulate what it is. You did that a few times, briefly, in the past, but that seems to have gone away. When you said that you had a staph infection and thus couldn't go swimming, that was a perfectly valid objection. Needing to lose 20 pounds a month is not.
- Do some of the work yourself. The offer is still out there that if you provide me with a copy of what you actually eat over the course of a week, I'll help you modify it to be a healthier version. I'll bet that there are others on this site who actually have training in dietetics who would do the same. But you have to do the work of recording everything you eat for a week, portion sizes and all.
MSUBioNerd saidSo, when someone like me (who hasn't lost a substantial amount of weight) tells you that it's healthier to do it through diet and exercise and a consistent weight loss that's slower than what you want, we "just don't get it" because we "haven't been there", and therefore couldn't know what we're talking about it.
Right!
When you're told that your plans of losing weight are way too fast, you've said "Just once I'd love to hear that from someone who has been there. Maybe just to lend validity to the statement."
Right!
When someone like MsclDrew (who has lost a substantial amount of weight) tells you that it's better to do it through diet and exercise and a consistent weight loss that's slower than what you want, you say it "never fails how those who have been there turn around and throw rocks."
If you would go back and read his posts on the subject, you would see that what I mean
I think i'm beginning to see how this pattern of behavior has emerged,
"Oh my god, I just exercised for a whole 22 minutes, I need to eat this box of twinkies"
"No you don't"
"Oh but I've been resisting for 3 and a half minutes now, and all that exercise I "need to eat them
"DUDE? No!"
"Don't worry I'll just eat them now, and later catch up by running another 22 minutes and not eat anything for the next week that fits into the theory of weightloss right? Plus you don't understand I need this right now, That's okay right?"
"Dude NO! Whats wrong with you, no matter how many times you ask the answer is never going to be yes "
"But what about...erm...ehhh. I just need it okay
"Dude...for fuck sake at least take off the plastic wraper"
To say nothing of the years and years you've been "trying", huh?
That's why I need to have surgery.
I'm probably the only RJer who thinks you should have the surgery. Clearly, for whatever reason, you don't have the discipline or self-control to eat less. So, realistically, the only way you're going to lose weight is if your body is modified in a manner that forces you to eat less.
I agree. For whatever reason, you feel you have to do this to help you be healthier. its better that you get this done, and have the tools to loose weight, than do nothing and be a fatass for the rest of your life. no offence. So, if you get this, good luck
To say nothing of the years and years you've been "trying", huh?
That's why I need to have surgery.
I'm probably the only RJer who thinks you should have the surgery. Clearly, for whatever reason, you don't have the discipline or self-control to eat less. So, realistically, the only way you're going to lose weight is if your body is modified in a manner that forces you to eat less.
Probably the only time I have, or will agree with Paradox. But reading your posts here (original OP), and on another thread similar to this one that you created, even if you get this surgery you will fail at this too. You don't have the bloody stones to push yourself in a gym. There have been many former fat members here on RJ that have transformed themselves from fat pigs to trim/athletic to even muscular men. You will never be anything other then what you are now. So go have the surgery, and come "belly" aching back in a few months looking for empathy and sympathy. You will find none. (I really hope that insurance isn't footing a dime for this surgery.) -Keith
I think i'm beginning to see how this pattern of behavior has emerged,
"Oh my god, I just exercised for a whole 22 minutes, I need to eat this box of twinkies"
"No you don't"
"Oh but I've been resisting for 3 and a half minutes now, and all that exercise I "need to eat them
"DUDE? No!"
"Don't worry I'll just eat them now, and later catch up by running another 22 minutes and not eat anything for the next week that fits into the theory of weightloss right? Plus you don't understand I need this right now, That's okay right?"
"Dude NO! Whats wrong with you, no matter how many times you ask the answer is never going to be yes "
"But what about...erm...ehhh. I just need it okay
"Dude...for fuck sake at least take off the plastic wraper"
When I talked about people who are successful with losing weight and keeping it off turning around and throwing rocks this is exactly what I meant.
MunchingZombie saidYa know, if he just followed the advice given two years ago he would now be trim.
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He followed it....four times.
Of course you did, honey. But the simple laws of physics do not apply to you, naturally. No matter how exactly you followed diet and exercise regimens thermodynamics punched out its time card to keep you fat.
And what do you mean you followed it four times? Assuming you did follow it in the two years you have been active on this site you gave each program a maximum of six months before deciding it wasn't working? Bullshit.
Go have the surgery. You are not interested in anything else.
I think i'm beginning to see how this pattern of behavior has emerged,
"Oh my god, I just exercised for a whole 22 minutes, I need to eat this box of twinkies"
"No you don't"
"Oh but I've been resisting for 3 and a half minutes now, and all that exercise I "need to eat them
"DUDE? No!"
"Don't worry I'll just eat them now, and later catch up by running another 22 minutes and not eat anything for the next week that fits into the theory of weightloss right? Plus you don't understand I need this right now, That's okay right?"
"Dude NO! Whats wrong with you, no matter how many times you ask the answer is never going to be yes "
"But what about...erm...ehhh. I just need it okay
"Dude...for fuck sake at least take off the plastic wraper"
That's effing hilarious!
Why is this still a debate? Clearly he has no intent on actually putting forth the effort it takes to improve his life. You guys have been more than an adequate friend to this guy but if he doesn't want to do the work no amount of dissent is going to dissuade him from getting the surgery.
You should definitely post the results of the surgery here, OTWTM. I'm interested in seeing the side effects almost first hand. Will your stomach re-expand in the first month or the second?
To say nothing of the years and years you've been "trying", huh?
That's why I need to have surgery.
I'm probably the only RJer who thinks you should have the surgery. Clearly, for whatever reason, you don't have the discipline or self-control to eat less. So, realistically, the only way you're going to lose weight is if your body is modified in a manner that forces you to eat less.
I think most people are against it because they know it will work
They are against it because of the side affects. Plus, there are a lot of mental benefits to be had from doing it the traditional way. Screw them, looking better in a swim brief is worthy too!
RST2009 saidanyone see the Biggest Loser this year? Ron had bypass surgery and was 400+lbs, its about behavior, not the technique of how you lose it. Eat less, dont eat your emotions, work through them.
RST2009 saidanyone see the Biggest Loser this year? Ron had bypass surgery and was 400+lbs, its about behavior, not the technique of how you lose it. Eat less, dont eat your emotions, work through them.
