Mike Huckabee gaining support with his anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage record

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    Nov 20, 2007 9:17 PM GMT
    Huckabee gains ground with Iowa evangelicals

    Mike Huckabee gaining support with his anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage record

    Huckabee's campaign staff recently grew from six to 14 people

    GOP rivals are becoming more aggressive in their criticism of Huckabee

    http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/20/huckabee.iowa/index.html

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    Nov 20, 2007 9:53 PM GMT
    If he stakes out the right wing of the party as his constituency he distinguishes himself from the field immediately as they are all clinging to the centre.

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    Nov 21, 2007 3:30 AM GMT
    Until the primaries sort themselves out we really wont know what the effect of a potential win by Huckabee will be on the Republican field. So far, he is a footnote in most significant primary states other than Iowa. Iowa, to conservatively look at his stakes, will at best be an embarrassment to a 4th place running Rudy. At this point the polls show him as exciting in a Dem vs. GOP state as Richardson.

    So, I wouldn't worry too much about him. It is going to be a real exciting primary season for the GOP. Can't wait to see what actually happens.
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    Nov 21, 2007 3:48 AM GMT
    Mike's rise in the polls is a little surprising to me, although he is a very articulate and likable guy, and placed well in the Ames Straw Poll. His increased popularity may not last, however, as the caucus nears and there is increased pressure to get support, which takes big $$$, of course.

    I would expect Mitt Romney to win the state's Republican caucus (probably by a slim margin), because he has the most aggressive organization among the "big" names, and has lots of money to spend on TV ads. Giuliani hasn't been campaigning in Iowa much, which explains his unimpressive standing in current polls.
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    Nov 21, 2007 3:56 AM GMT
    I'm hoping that people will rally around Ron Paul. Tell all your Republican friends and families...
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    Nov 21, 2007 12:00 PM GMT
    I am a Ron Paul man too. Huck sounds good at first, but after looking into his record more, he is quite the tax man and his whole bit about 'Honor' in the debate and saving-face rather than getting out of the war really turned me off to him. Open to feedback and debate though. At present though, Ron Paul is my man. I read http://www.dailypaul.com a lot, and encourage folks to check this guy out, along with learning about all the candidates.

    RP has a nice ad in the print version of USA Today, today.
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    Nov 22, 2007 7:38 PM GMT
    Ron Paul is a racist, he is def NOT my man.
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    Nov 22, 2007 7:48 PM GMT
    Ron Paul a racist?

    I find that hard to believe. Any evidence of this?

    RP supports the constitution and how it protects us. By "us" he means any US citizens. Unless your an illegal immigrant you deserve equal protection and the same rights as any other US citizen.


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    Nov 22, 2007 7:49 PM GMT
    I've heard lots of stuff about Ron Paul, but not that he's a racist. What did he do/say?
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    Nov 22, 2007 8:06 PM GMT
    Ron Paul has accepted donations and made speaking engagements before admitted White Supremacy groups. He has also sought their endorsements in past campaigns (ran for President in '88 on the Libertarian ticket, and for Congress since '92 as a Republican).

    He is also a certified crank who wants to return America to the gold standard (can you say 9000% inflation?) and has many even nuttier clubs in his golf bag of loonery. Apart from wanting to end the war (his only attractive idea), he has run for the past 16 years on the platform of the Texas Republican Party, which is available on their website and is a truly breathtaking document of sheer tinfoil-hat wearing craziness.
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    Nov 22, 2007 8:13 PM GMT
    Yeah, I heard the racist thing. The best place to check it out is his wikipedia page. But it is cleared up by people like Andrew Sullivan. A ghost writer spoke for him and was subsequently chastised in the early 90s. I imagine this has to do with the Republicans faith that people are too dumb to fact check (no offense hippie4lyfe).
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    Nov 22, 2007 8:16 PM GMT
    Ron Paul's ideas will get us on a better track economically in the long run. He surely cannot get rid of the fed and everything like he wants (and even he has said that) but the truth is that he can genuinely revolutionize this american monster into something respectable. Don't forget we have congress and the supreme court. It's called a checks and balances. I only have faith Ron Paul will restore executive power to its original (small) breadth.

    I'd like to see Paul v. Obama
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    Nov 22, 2007 8:34 PM GMT
    Ron Paul does it for me not because of policy, but because he stands for a change in ideals.

    Rather than a nation where we blame everyone else, we should blame ourselves for problems. RP stands for people responsible for their own actions and the state they live in.
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    Nov 22, 2007 9:22 PM GMT
    I don't think Huckabee has much of a chance of winning the GOP ticket. If the Republicans elect a socially conservative presidential candidate they will probably lose the next election. George W. Bush I think set the social conservatives back a few dozen years!
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    Nov 22, 2007 9:46 PM GMT
    Ron Paul, and libertarians in general, have awfully convenient views about some of their core issues. Paul, for example, supposedly believes in keeping the government out of our bedrooms...good, yes? But at the same time he is viciously anti-abortion. Is this a contradiction? No, of course not, because he SAYS he isn't, and after all, he's a doctor, so that makes him an expert on politics, right?

    As for sickofthesame's comment about "reining in the american monster", by which I assume he means reckless spending? abolishing the Fed and returning to the gold standard, which are both separate and interrelated nutty ideas-will do nothing about that, unless you think that causing a Depression that will make 1929 look like child's play will cause government to stop spending. Of course, the revcrse is true...in a Depression, government should start spending, not stop.

    I sincerely wish those of you who havc been seduced by this ridiculous hoodoo artist to read what some actual economists have to say about his program. Right, left, and center, they all think he's off his chump---and no, that is not a good enough reason by itself to embrace this stuff.
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    Nov 22, 2007 10:11 PM GMT
    Jprichva your mistaken on two accounts.

    First Ron Paul is anti abortion but only because he believes that an unborn child has the same rights as any citizen. This is evident is this statement:

    The right of an innocent, unborn child to life is at the heart of the American ideals of liberty. My professional and legislative record demonstrates my strong commitment to this pro-life principle.

    In 40 years of medical practice, I never once considered performing an abortion, nor did I ever find abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman.

    In Congress, I have authored legislation that seeks to define life as beginning at conception, HR 1094.
    - Ron paul via campaign page.

    Secondly big government spending is unconstitutional. We should not be spending money on pet projects of state senators using national taxation or using it for wars for oil. RP is for transition of power away from the Fed and back to the states and people where it legally belongs.

    Besides I guess our 9 trillion dollar debt and failing dollar is something to proud of?
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    Nov 22, 2007 10:20 PM GMT
    "In 40 years of medical practice, I never once considered performing an abortion, nor did I ever find abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman.

    what kind of medical practitioner never had to refer a therapeutic termination? He was clearly no obstetrics specialist who gets all the complex cases. Perhaps he was a a GP or a proctologist could go his career without the circumstance coming up but certainly not anyone who has had to deal with hundreds of pregnancies per year. One might as well ask a dentist to make policy on brain surgery - at least let's ask Ron Paul how many ectopic pregnancies he's diagnosed.

    A doctor is an expert only in a very limited area and a doctor who attempts to practice or offer professional advice in an area in which he is not Board certified is guilty of malpractice and subject to professional sanctions. I would like to know exactly what his medical certifications are before I accept his pronouncements as in any way professionally informed.




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    Nov 22, 2007 10:26 PM GMT
    These are the Ron Paul racist quotes that I have come across. I have heard a libertarian friend of mine who supports Paul justify that his aide said this and so he didn't accept blame. Blah.

    Ron Paul Below:

    * "Opinion polls show that only about 5 percent of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty and the end of welfare and affirmative action."

    * "We are constantly told it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational. Black men commit murders, rapes, robberies, muggings and burglaries all out of proportion to their numbers."

    * "We don't think a child of 13 should be held responsible as a man of 23. That's true for most people, but black males who have been raised and who have joined criminal gangs are as big, strong, tough, scary and culpable as any adult and should be treated as such."

    Stating that lobbying groups who seek special favors and handouts are evil, Paul wrote, "By far the most powerful lobby in Washington of the bad sort is the Israeli government" and that the goal of the Zionist movement is to stifle criticism.
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    Nov 23, 2007 2:03 AM GMT
    HippieStating that lobbying groups who seek special favors and handouts are evil, Paul wrote, "By far the most powerful lobby in Washington of the bad sort is the Israeli government" and that the goal of the Zionist movement is to stifle criticism


    Well he is right on that part. How do you feel knowing your taxes are being used just to continue to help support and keep middle east conflict? What do we really owe to Israel, and how long will we keep up the poor victim status.

    The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy, by John Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago and Stephen Walt of Harvard is a good book if you want some truth.

    As it stands the Israel lobby is a powerful force in Washington. Clinton seems to be a big recipient of their donations.
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    Nov 23, 2007 6:51 AM GMT
    Yeah we need to leave the israel crap ALONE. It's none of our business.

    And the American monster that needs reigned in is the ever expanding and dangerous executive power.

    Also, many economist grad students and professors are Ron Paul supporters. If you believe that RP is actually going to be able to abolish everything, you are dumb, but in working with the senate in a non-partisan way, I think that he can do it. And stop the fucking lobbyists from becoming our 4th branch of government.

    As for the quotes, all those things were heard that once, from his ghost writer than never heard again. It was dealt with, he has been reelected since then.

    Don't forget the states can and should step in on these issues. RP won't ban abortion or overturn Roe v. Wade. Do you think he could? My god! It's so naive! But even if it did miraculously happen, states decide at that point. What's the loss there? Move to that state if you want.
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    Nov 23, 2007 9:27 AM GMT
    It is not a virtue in a candidate to have "new ideas" if the new ideas are dangerous and silly.

    Ron Paul's economic policies were in place during the years 1860-1933. This period saw several bank runs, panics, and a depression roughly every fifteen years.
    Talk about naive--saying that a candidate will sweep away the culture of Washington, whatever the hell that really means, is naive. Saying "big government is bad" was stupid when Reagan first said it, and it's stupid now.

    And no, by the way, government spending is not unconstitutional. You may not like it, you may wish to reduce it, but it does not violate the constitution. And--if you really think so, this shows the relative education level of Ron Paul supporters.

    And you can brush aside his racist comments if you feel like it, but if you substitute the word "gay" for the word "black" in any of his offensive and ignorant remarks, I'll bet you wouldn't brush it off in the same way.
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    Nov 23, 2007 10:25 AM GMT
    I would brush them away if they weren't true. Which he said long ago.

    By "do it" I meant that they could widdle the overspending and over involvement to a reasonable level. I think that we have lost social responsibility by forcing the government to take the reigns on everything. Do I know that RP will make things work out? No, but what has been good about the last 8 years economically, socially and internationally.
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    Nov 23, 2007 12:47 PM GMT
    OK, sickofthesame, I agree...nothing much has been good socially or politically in the past seven years. So you say you want a change.

    But--the country was run by REPUBLICANS during those disastrous years. And Ron Paul is a REPUBLICAN.

    Hm, some change.
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    Nov 23, 2007 2:06 PM GMT
    Because Dem's have such a track record of perfection. Vietnam and NAFTA great achievements I guess.

    Your right we do need change. Break the old establishment and go outside the mainstream box of candidates fox news supports.
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    Jan 06, 2008 3:33 AM GMT
    It's hilarious to hear the mouth-breathing right-wingers pretend that the press is liberal. Would that be the liberal Rupert Murdoch and his string of smear sheets? or the liberal Faux News with its chief idiot, Bill "Loofah" O'Reilly? Hm, I suspect if you're looking for a liberal press, you'll find it with the Communists you always seem to think are hiding under the bed.