Health Conscious Smokers?

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    Jun 26, 2009 1:03 PM GMT
    My roommate goes to the gym, rides his bike to work, doesn't drink, avoids eating red meat, etc. Overall he is health conscious, but he smokes about a half pack a day. He does smoke "Natural American Spirits" cigarettes because he is concerned about the additives added to regular cigarettes. Does anyone else know of people who are otherwise health conscious, but smoke?
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    Jun 29, 2009 10:35 PM GMT
    A health conscious smoker. You must be kidding. icon_eek.gif
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    Jun 29, 2009 10:40 PM GMT
    People are full of contradictions. Including myself.
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    Jun 29, 2009 10:41 PM GMT
    That is what we call an oxymoron

    It's like saying I'm a vegetarian...except for cow of course

    or I'm a virgin...since about 9am today
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    Jun 29, 2009 10:47 PM GMT
    kscott6671 saidA health conscious smoker. You must be kidding. icon_eek.gif


    reminds me of:

    person1: " mmm. I love Jumbo Shrimp. "

    person2: " I'm allergic to oxymorons. "

    - Wet, Hot, American Summer
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    Jun 29, 2009 10:50 PM GMT
    I will say that when I smoked ( quit 9 years ago ) ,I had transitioned to the American Spirit brand over the years and I believe the fact that those ones aren't loaded with chemicals that the big comapnies add to their cigarettes it was much easier for me to quit them.

    When and if he chooses to quit it'll be a hell of a lot easier than if he smoked one of the big brands.
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    Jun 29, 2009 10:58 PM GMT
    I'm an ex-smoker..when under stress I would sometimes pick it up again but if I smoked more than one cig, I would wake up congested and crap the following day. Even the American Spirit ones (which I smoked) leave some residue behind that builds up in your longs. I'm in Nursing school now and after seeing the lungs of someone who died from lung cancer, there's no way in hell I'm ever touching a cigarette again, not to mention the smell it leaves on your hands, breath and clothes.
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    Jun 29, 2009 11:03 PM GMT
    Its a complicated subject. I smoked at one time. 2 to 3 packs a day. At that time, I had a home gym. If you can believe this, I had an ashtray in the gym so I could take a drag between sets.

    Yes... for real. Hard to believe, but I did.

    Being an addict never makes sense logically. And when it comes to the tobacco companies, remember... all the additives are there to intentially make you an addict.

    Im just glad its not me anymore.
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    Jun 29, 2009 11:10 PM GMT
    why is this an oxymoron

    if you can have a healthy poz guy why not a health conscious smoker
  • Timbales

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    Jun 29, 2009 11:24 PM GMT
    Everyone's got a vice. We all do something we know we shouldn't.
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    Jun 30, 2009 12:14 AM GMT
    phemt saidMy roommate goes to the gym, rides his bike to work, doesn't drink, avoids eating red meat, etc. Overall he is health conscious, but he smokes about a half pack a day. He does smoke "Natural American Spirits" cigarettes because he is concerned about the additives added to regular cigarettes. Does anyone else know of people who are otherwise health conscious, but smoke?


    ROFL.

    While your buddy does do some healthful things, there is no plan for overall good health that includes smoking.

    Smoking is incredibility dangerous. It's poison gas. There is no way to justify self-poisoning.

    I put my mom in the grave May 29, 2009 from COPD (emphysema from smoking). She had quit in 1982, with the exception of a few sneaked cigs up through 1995. She spent the last 1.75 years of her life tethered to an oxygen machine. Fortunately, she was spared the fate of all of her friends: lung cancer. When her hemoglobin went to 40 and she began to suffer from hypoxia, the morphine was turned up in respect of her DNR order. Her lungs were incapable of supporting her, even on a ventilator. She chose her time, and her sister was by her side when it happened.

    Smoking stinks. Any which way you cut it. Behind obesity, it's the single biggest cause of premature death. It makes you sick twice as much from work, and 10 times more likely to suffer a disease costing over 100K to treat, not to be mention putting you in a coffin before your time.

    People with HIV are sick. They have a chronic illness. People who are fat are sick. Their body is not healthy. People who smoke are sick, and making themselves sicker, and even sicken the people around them. They are beyond disgusting.

    Many folks have forgotten what it is to be healthy and alive.

    Smoking kills. Period. Ever read the components in the smoke?

    I wouldn't wish the way my mom, or her friends, died, on my worst enemy.

    She suffocated to death because she and destroyed her lungs through smoking.

    I did the same thing (buried early) my friend Dave, from Phoenix. He died at 49 from smoking. To me, that's way before his time.

    You wouldn't kill your domesticated pet. You shouldn't do that to yourself.

    If you haven't, I encourage you to visit a hospital oncology ward some time. Oncology wards are horrible places. After doing that, see if you can smoke, or even want to be around someone who does. I don't allow them near me.
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    Jun 30, 2009 12:37 AM GMT
    Although direct consumption as concentrated as cigarettes isn't the best idea, I get the sense that a properly fed and exercised body can deal with all kinds of carcinogens. The French Paradox (wiki it) could be extended to the high rate of consumption of cigarettes in that country, especially in light of their relatively high life expectancy.
  • MSUBioNerd

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    Jun 30, 2009 12:43 AM GMT
    MadeNUSA saidwhy is this an oxymoron

    if you can have a healthy poz guy why not a health conscious smoker


    There's a huge difference here.

    The HIV positive individual almost certainly did something which he now regrets, and is taking action to mitigate its long term effects on his life.

    The smoker is continuing to engage in a very dangerous, unhealthy activity, and then trying to mitigate it through the rest of his actions.

    It's like someone dieting to lose weight while continuing to have hash browns in sausage gravy and a couple of donuts for breakfast each day.
  • TallGWMvballe...

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    Jun 30, 2009 12:47 AM GMT
    Chuckystud. I too had the same experience with my mom.
    She was on 3 packs a day when she finally quit at age 60 after losing her two sisters and her brother to smoking related causes.
    She died in 2001 after 4 of the most horrible, painful suffering years of her life (COPD) on O2, stuck in hospitals or nursing homes... she finally died in a coma but had ben suffocating for a day before that.
    It was/is horrible. I often saw many other patients in the same shape ALL from Tobacco!

    There is no such thing as a health conscious smoker.
    I know a few body builders that also smoke, but making muscle and caring about your health are not necessarily found in the same person at the same time. At some point if the really want to be healthy they HAVE to stop the tobacco.
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    Jun 30, 2009 12:55 AM GMT
    I agree that trying to be healthy and smoking sounds as dumb and it really is..

    I started smoking when I was 19.. I was of age to drink and I went out most nights with my friends and some how it was one night I was really drunk and I asked a friend for a drag.. It made me feel really dizy and I hated it.. but sure enough i'd be standing with a group of smokers at a bar and after a bit a drag would become asking a buddy for a smoke and then it was a social thing.. Until I started my current job where i'd say 60% of the people smoke.. You get stressed you go out for a smoke.. (sides smokers always seem to have the best work gossip icon_razz.gif )

    It was when I went to the store before Pride weekend in 2006 and bought myselkf a pack and killed it and bought another the next night. Then I knew I was really screwed and its amazing how sneaky it comes up on you. at first you feel you have control but you don't.

    I've quit for several months at a time over the last 4 years but have always come back to them. When I hit a rough patch or get really stressed. I've never been very heavy smoker. 5 a day is normal.

    I want to quit and need to find the time to do it. Really get my head around it and scare the shit outta myself reading up on it.

    I still want to live as healthy as I can because I could also be obese and smoke. At least i'm in good shape. I play soccer able to run and play a full 90 minute game but yeah its counter productive. No excuses.

    I wish sometimes I could go back in time to that bar where I asked for my first drag at 19 and smack that smoke right out of my hand.. Because if I knew how truely hard it is back then I never would have touch them.
  • mcwclewis

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    Jun 30, 2009 1:01 AM GMT
    Well... lets not forget its a chemical addiction.


    When I see a smoker telling others not to start smoking, I dont view it as hypocritical. Its speaking from experience "dont make my mistake"

    Its stupid to start smoking, but once you've started, its less about intelligence and more about willpower
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    Jun 30, 2009 1:05 AM GMT
    mcwclewis saidWell... lets not forget its a chemical addiction.


    When I see a smoker telling others not to start smoking, I dont view it as hypocritical. Its speaking from experience "dont make my mistake"

    Its stupid to start smoking, but once you've started, its less about intelligence and more about willpower


    Exactly right!

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    Jun 30, 2009 1:47 AM GMT



    A health conscious smoker is likely someone who is making a journey and the destination is becoming a non-smoker...

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    Jun 30, 2009 1:54 AM GMT
    a friend got in my car the other day and saw an empty kombucha bottle. she was like, "you smoke!" and i was like, "yeah, and i still need the probiotics. do you have a point?" i also need more antioxidants in my diet because my body is fighting off more free radicals. (not that i'm under any delusions that drinking tea eliminates the risks associated with smoking.)

    i've been smoking for nearly ten years. i exercise regularly, and eat well. if i were to binge on fast food and sit on my ass all day, i would be FURTHER compromising my health. i've been trying to quit for years, and have come to the conclusion that the 'all or nothing' approach to anything in life is dangerous and irrational. it's like saying, "i ate a filet for dinner, so i might as well polish it off with some crack."

    ps

    i'm on day six of my first week's regiment of chantix. i'll do a post on my experience after week three.
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    Jun 30, 2009 1:58 AM GMT



    Gentlemen, please give a round of kind supportive applause to
    Robadob, who is, ta-dah, a health conscious smoker and as we thought about such things, on a journey!

    Thanks Rob!


    - Canadian Codgers.





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    Jun 30, 2009 2:03 AM GMT
    Threads like this make me feel like I need to come out.

    I'm a mild smoker (3-10 cigs/day), that has had an on-again, off-again habit for the last 7or 8 years. Like your roomie, I smoke American Spirits (Yellow).

    I've had a lot of shit dumped in my life the past two years, and from a priority standpoint, I'm not able to pay enough attention to quitting to make it stick. I've quite before, I know how to quit, and I've attempted 3 times in the past two years, but I can't shake it. I finally decided to just wait until I remove some of the major boulders off my plate this year before I turn my attention to it. In the meantime, while it bothers the heck out of me that I'm doing it, I just cannot add more guilt to the massive pile of guilt I'm already feeling about other things in my life that have fallen too low in the priority list.

    Why do I feel like I need to "come out" and say this? Cause of posts like these:

    A health conscious smoker. You must be kidding

    That is what we call an oxymoron. It's like saying I'm a vegetarian...except for cow of course

    These statements imply a very confident, simplistic, and dare I say solipsistic, way of judging people by sweeping generalizations that to me is classic RealJock. Replace the OP's topic with any one of the perennial subjects on RJ ("Does bisexuality really exist?" "Are open relationships really relationships", etc.) and you'll find the same, easy, confident, and ultimately worthless judgmental statements that add nothing to the conversation except for showing a complete lack of thought and/or empathy.

    Taking this thread's topic, for example, and my (or the OP's roomie's) situation: by this simplistic logic, I cannot possibly be health conscious. So maybe I should stop eating right, stop walking everywhere, stop going to the gym, stop avoiding alcohol, start taking other drugs, etc. Cause, I mean, it's simple isn't it? I'm so not health conscious because, well, cause I smoke. So ipso facto every other facet of me is wiped away and is inadmissible as evidence.

    Ah well, it's two more for my gigantic ignore list.
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    Jun 30, 2009 2:18 AM GMT


    Doug and Bill bow out of deepest respect for the post of iguanaSF.
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    Jun 30, 2009 2:19 AM GMT
    Thinking that people who smoke aren't healthy is a bit hasty. People that do smoke, like those who do any activity, do so because it feels good for them on a certain level. Who are we to condemn what feels right, what soothes another person, and deign them with our arbitrary opinions on their behavior?
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    Jun 30, 2009 2:20 AM GMT
    [Simultaneously bowing with Doug and Bill to IguanaSF]
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    Jun 30, 2009 2:23 AM GMT
    BradySF said[Simultaneously bowing with Doug and Bill to IguanaSF]

    OOH hot arse in the air.. fab..


    couldn't resist, sorry