The real face of Michael Jackson

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    Jun 27, 2009 1:05 AM GMT
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    I look at this photograph and see a young Michael Jackson. I am not obsessed with him and I am not judging him. I see him like I see us all, a human being. Overtime, many of us change for one reason or another. We have hardship, break-ups, job loss and maybe even trials like Michael Jackson.

    He came from a home that had a Father that was abusive and hard. He gained success, but did that cause his ultimate destruction? Good or Bad MJ was an inspiration to me. Life can be cruel and many here have faced it with great hardship. Super Star or just a regular Joe, we all have our up's and down's. With so much going on in the world and here at home, it has caused me to reflect on the meaning of life....once again.


    What is the REAL meaning of life....WHAT IS REAL to YOU?

    Real to me is knowing that I am in control of me.

    Are you REALLY LIVING?
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    Jun 27, 2009 1:08 AM GMT
    Thanks for posting a pic of the Michael Jackson I knew and liked.

    The other Michael Jackson--the one that acted as if his black skin wasn't good enough for him--was strange to me. Very strange.
  • rnch

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    Jun 27, 2009 1:29 AM GMT
    anyone else notice that the lighter his skin became, the smaller his nose shrank, the worse his music became?
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    Jun 27, 2009 1:33 AM GMT
    The nose surgery was done to retain his teenage voice. His skin, though never proven and really no ones business in my opinion, was rumored to have been because of a pigmentation defect. He supposedly had a rare type of skin disease. Hasn't really be talked about since the '90s.
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    Jun 27, 2009 1:36 AM GMT
    ErikTaurean saidThe nose surgery was done to retain his teenage voice. His skin, though never proven and really no ones business in my opinion, was rumored to have been because of a pigmentation defect. He supposedly had a rare type of skin disease. Hasn't really be talked about since the '90s.


    MJ was deathly afraid of loosing his "teenage" voice...when he grew up. Think about it.....

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    Jun 27, 2009 3:46 AM GMT
    In an interview way back in the early days of MTV, he said that he did not want to lose his falsetto because he felt if his voice changed, his singing career would end.
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    Jun 27, 2009 3:50 AM GMT
    Personally, I think he was robbed of his childhood and was spending his whole life trying to go back and play....hence his desire to be around children...he wanted playmates.
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    Jun 27, 2009 4:11 AM GMT
    MJ exemplifies the RR / restrictive upbringing and what happens (how messed up folks can be) from it.

    Despite his wealth, influence, and notoriety, I suspect MJ was miserable and lonely, as many folks close to him have said in the news media.

    Coming from an oppressive culture fucks up so many. I see it in the Red States every day.

    You don't have to have a Ph.D. to understand that MJ had many, many, many issues.
  • zakariahzol

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    Jun 27, 2009 4:17 AM GMT
    Michael transformation to be white is a tragedy. But you shoudnt blame him. For a non white person , I understand how insecure it is , to be told you are not attractive, you are inferior in comparison to lighter skin people and deep inside how I wish I was born lighter skin with white features.

    I have written a lot in this forum about this cruel perception of Asian society to demeaning darker skin people and how unfair it is. A non white person have to come out of this situation and be who they are. We are as attractive just the way we are. Nobody, I mean no one can tell us, make fun of us , no historical data, tv commercial or what ever can go around telling us otherwise.
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    Jun 27, 2009 4:45 AM GMT
    ErikTaurean said[...] His skin, though never proven and really no ones business in my opinion, was rumored to have been because of a pigmentation defect. He supposedly had a rare type of skin disease. Hasn't really be talked about since the '90s.


    Yeah, my mom's a dermatologist and she always insisted he had vitiligo.
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    Jun 27, 2009 5:02 AM GMT
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    I look at this photograph and see a young Michael Jackson. I am not obsessed with him and I am not judging him. I see him like I see us all, a human being. Overtime, many of us change for one reason or another. We have hardship, break-ups, job loss and maybe even trials like Michael Jackson.

    He came from a home that had a Father that was abusive and hard. He gained success, but did that cause his ultimate destruction? Good or Bad MJ was an inspiration to me. Life can be cruel and many here have faced it with great hardship. Super Star or just a regular Joe, we all have our up's and down's. With so much going on in the world and here at home, it has caused me to reflect on the meaning of life....once again.


    What is the REAL meaning of life....WHAT IS REAL to YOU?

    Real to me is knowing that I am in control of me.

    Are you REALLY LIVING?



    The REAL meaning of life is to also accept and know there are unREAL things we have yet to understand! sometimes when we are too in control of our lives we tend to block the other wild sides of ourselves yet to explore! ultimately a civilized man becomes tame when he let loose his wild side but with cautious and gentle ways. If you ever went on a hike in unknown territory you will feel a sense of inner control in the presence of your inner wilderness call "fear"

    You never really lived until you face your own fears and weakness! MJ most likely lived and embraced his fears by letting loose his wild or freaky side. Like MJ most of us cope with our REAL selves by balancing the good and bad in our lives with others, MJ was a true example of that which is in all of us!!


    ♥ Leandro ♥
  • barriehomeboy

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    Jun 27, 2009 6:17 AM GMT
    There are so many things to say in response.

    OK, Number one. Face transplants in movies are bullshit. That John Travolta Nick Cage film? Crappola. The part they can remove is soft tissue. Muscle grissle and fat. When you lay that on a rock, it isn't going to look like your face. If you lay it on someone elses bone structure, it isn't going to look like the person the face was taken from.

    As we age, the bone structure in our faces changes. Watch your father's face as he ages. His nose will become larger, his upper teeth will recess. So will yours.

    When you have plastic surgery at a young age, as MJ did, and then those boney changes start to happen, the soft tissue parts of the face will get stretched in all kinds of wierd directions. Which is why he looked so strange as he aged.

    Lesson is, save those major plastic surgery fixups until you're at least 60.

    Nips and tucks, not before you're 50.

    OK. Number two. MJ wasn't a pedophile. He was just another kid experimenting with other kids, because he was mentally challenged. His mental development stopped when the music started.

    This isn't my opinion. It's from people who knew him well.

    Who, with a gazillion dollars, would buy an amusement park?

    A 10 year old kid would.

    When you look at everything he did, with the assumption that he had the intellect of a 10 year old, it all makes sense.

    Sleep overs with children? Well, yeah.

    A bit of sexual experimentation? Well, if he was gay, yeah. Didn't you? But in his mind, he wasn't a 40 year old. He was that kid that never got to grow out of being a 10 year old.

    OK Number three. I forget what number three was, but when it comes back to me, I'll see if anyone read points one and two, then get back to you.
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    Jun 27, 2009 6:40 AM GMT
    I don't really judge him for any of his changes, it doesn't change my opinion of him. But it does bring up this issue of acceptance.

    Gay men of all people should understand the pressure to be accepted. The emphasis on muscle, youth, beauty, appearance .. etc .. among gays is apparent to most people I know. I am not sure what his issues were with himself, but I think when we change ourselves it says more about our self perception than anything else.

    I keep listening to interviews and reading articles and there is a recurring theme about him. He was gentle and shy, self conscious, and a VERY lonely man. Anyway, it is hard to understand people that seem weird without having walked in their shoes. It seems like he had a lot of pressure growing up to perform and was a victim of his own fame.
  • barriehomeboy

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    Jun 27, 2009 6:46 AM GMT
    amen
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    Jun 27, 2009 8:41 AM GMT
    well
    i love the last one since its the one shows everything he did, and for what many are going to remember him as for his carer and all his gols
    doesnt matter why he did. a person usually is remembered for what he did, not how he came to this world.

    if is the other way around post a pic of him as a baby full of blood and all that, just born you know, lol.
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    Jun 27, 2009 8:44 AM GMT
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    one that acted as if his black skin wasn't good enough for him--was strange to me. Very strange.[/quote]

    Vitiligo
    Vitiligo is a chronic relatively common dermatologic disorder that causes depigmentation in patches of skin. It occurs when the melanocytes, the cells responsible for skin pigmentation, die or are unable to function. The precise pathogenesis, or cause, of vitiligo is complex and not yet fully understood. There is some evidence suggesting it is caused by a combination of autoimmune, genetic, and environmental factors. The population incidence worldwide is considered to be between 1% and 2%[citation needed]. Non-segmental vitiligo has a greater prevalence than the disorder's other form(s).

    His black skin was taken away, see
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    Jun 27, 2009 9:08 AM GMT
    No, his black skin wasn't taken away... his pigmentation change, or what was rumored to be happening, is horribly common in many races... my brother has it... He decided to bleach, a stupid, unhealthy decision because he couldn't deal with something millions deal with regularly...
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    Jun 27, 2009 9:49 AM GMT
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    mistic_man saidMj.jpg


    I look at this photograph and see a young Michael Jackson. I am not obsessed with him and I am not judging him. I see him like I see us all, a human being. Overtime, many of us change for one reason or another. We have hardship, break-ups, job loss and maybe even trials like Michael Jackson.

    He came from a home that had a Father that was abusive and hard. He gained success, but did that cause his ultimate destruction? Good or Bad MJ was an inspiration to me. Life can be cruel and many here have faced it with great hardship. Super Star or just a regular Joe, we all have our up's and down's. With so much going on in the world and here at home, it has caused me to reflect on the meaning of life....once again.


    What is the REAL meaning of life....WHAT IS REAL to YOU?

    Real to me is knowing that I am in control of me.

    Are you REALLY LIVING?



    The REAL meaning of life is to also accept and know there are unREAL things we have yet to understand! sometimes when we are too in control of our lives we tend to block the other wild sides of ourselves yet to explore! ultimately a civilized man becomes tame when he let loose his wild side but with cautious and gentle ways. If you ever went on a hike in unknown territory you will feel a sense of inner control in the presence of your inner wilderness call "fear"

    You never really lived until you face your own fears and weakness! MJ most likely lived and embraced his fears by letting loose his wild or freaky side. Like MJ most of us cope with our REAL selves by balancing the good and bad in our lives with others, MJ was a true example of that which is in all of us!!


    ♥ Leandro ♥


    I think so that's why he was an inspiration to me...like a lot of good people out there. He lived and not always incontrol...my control...check my profile...

    I like to get out and see things they way they really are.

    Things do always change. Just like they have for me this last week,,,,
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    Jun 27, 2009 9:58 AM GMT


    I hate to pass judgement, However after seeing a pix of his 3 children I think he had several issues w/ his skin color. it's jsut very odd to me that all 3 of his children are extremely fair and have hair that in no way resembles anything of a mixed child. Not to mention how genetically dominate his family nose was. All of the jackson children have a identifiable trademark nose, Which is missing frm his own children. This all leads me to think there's a much BIGGER picture.
  • GQjock

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    Jun 27, 2009 11:08 AM GMT
    Everybody has made fun of him in the past because he did make himself into a living cartoon character
    But he must have lived a very tortured and very surreal kind of life

    Michael Jackson was probably a gay man
    growing up with a twisted and abusive religious family made him feel that he was aberrant
    not to mention later on when the professional leeches got a hold of him
    and made it perfectly clear that being gay would be the end of a career

    He did have vitiligo which manifests with the loss of patches of skin color
    and you can see this is some of his photos around the Thriller period
    he used make up to cover it but the white patches cam on his face
    which can be absolutely devastating
    Just think if you woke up tomorrow and started seeing big white blotches start to appear on your face

    Couple this with enormous wealth and a flock of people who are dependent on your every word
    and everybody around you can only say yes ... whether what you say is wrong or right....
    it's all a recipe for disaster
  • zakariahzol

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    Jun 27, 2009 1:30 PM GMT
    If this vitiligo make him lost his skin color pigmentation, how do you explain the narrow nose, clft chin and the straight hair. Is vitiligo do those stuff too?
    As much as I hate to say it ,Michael is trying to look like a white men.
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    Jun 27, 2009 1:59 PM GMT
    Most of us have had, or are currently undergoing, some type of hardship in our lives. Plenty of us are survivors of parental abuse, and plenty of us have gone through trials much worse than anything Jacko struggled with. Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's true. Jacko's death wasn't caused by his success. It was caused by years of pill popping and guilt. Karma's a bitch.

    There are plenty of role models to choose from. I suggest you choose them wisely.
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    Jun 27, 2009 2:16 PM GMT
    Tapper saidMost of us have had, or are currently undergoing, some type of hardship in our lives. Plenty of us are survivors of parental abuse, and plenty of us have gone through trials much worse than anything Jacko struggled with. Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's true. Jacko's death wasn't caused by his success. It was caused by years of pill popping and guilt. Karma's a bitch.

    There are plenty of role models to choose from. I suggest you choose them wisely.


    So I ask you here again

    1. Did you know the man personally?

    2. Do you have an issue with black people

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    Jun 27, 2009 2:27 PM GMT
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    Tapper saidMost of us have had, or are currently undergoing, some type of hardship in our lives. Plenty of us are survivors of parental abuse, and plenty of us have gone through trials much worse than anything Jacko struggled with. Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's true. Jacko's death wasn't caused by his success. It was caused by years of pill popping and guilt. Karma's a bitch.

    There are plenty of role models to choose from. I suggest you choose them wisely.


    So I ask you here again

    1. Did you know the man personally?

    2. Do you have an issue with black people



    1. Thank God, no

    2. No, I don't, and I'm offended that you would even suggest such a thing. I do, however, have an issue with stupid people, so stay away. I bite.
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    Jun 27, 2009 2:56 PM GMT
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    MadeNUSA said
    Tapper saidMost of us have had, or are currently undergoing, some type of hardship in our lives. Plenty of us are survivors of parental abuse, and plenty of us have gone through trials much worse than anything Jacko struggled with. Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's true. Jacko's death wasn't caused by his success. It was caused by years of pill popping and guilt. Karma's a bitch.

    There are plenty of role models to choose from. I suggest you choose them wisely.


    So I ask you here again

    1. Did you know the man personally?

    2. Do you have an issue with black people



    1. Thank God, no

    2. No, I don't, and I'm offended that you would even suggest such a thing. I do, however, have an issue with stupid people, so stay away. I bite.


    Well guy - for someone who claims he never knew the guy and for someone who claims he does not have an issue with black people... your psychosis is aberrant in the extreme.