More Evidence of the US's Social Retardation

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    Jun 28, 2009 5:48 AM GMT

    I came across this map today.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_homosexuality_laws.svg


    (Since it's from Wikipedia, I can not vouch for absolute accuracy.) But I think it is a stark reminder of how far behind most US states are in the recognition of the rights same sex couples - at least when compared to Canada, parts of Mexico, almost all of South America, Europe and Australia. I guess we could look on the bright side and say that the US situation in the US is not as dire as it is in most of Africa (South Africa being a distinct exception), the middle east and most of south asia.

    Anyhow, it is certainly a goal of mine to do what I can to turn most if not all of the US dark blue within the next decade.
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    Jun 28, 2009 1:22 PM GMT
    My boyfriend is originally from Uruguay and I was stunned to learn how much more advanced they are on this front than the States. When he is there however he can barely get an internet connection, lol, so I am not sure which I'd rather have icon_eek.gif Of course I'd want the rights.
  • coolarmydude

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    Jun 28, 2009 1:30 PM GMT
    At least the penguins can marry in the Yukon!

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  • HndsmKansan

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    Jun 28, 2009 1:43 PM GMT
    Thanks for the update and the map... it really did help to see where the world is at at this moment.
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    Jun 28, 2009 2:10 PM GMT
    Our 3rd world country military accepts gay soldiers. How bout that, America? We don't have any recognition of gay couples though (we're gray). icon_confused.gif But at least we rarely if ever get bashed.

    Oh and for easier viewing. The map:

    800px-World_homosexuality_laws.svg.png

    Dark Blue: Same-sex marriage
    Blue: Other type of partnership (or unregistered cohabitation)
    Light Blue: Foreign same-sex marriages recognized
    Gray: No recognition of same-sex couples
    Yellow: Minimal penalty
    Light Orange: Large penalty
    Dark Orange: Life in prison
    Red: Death penalty
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    Jun 28, 2009 2:28 PM GMT
    My experience has been that there is a profound difference between legislation and integration.

    Prejudice takes different forms in different cultures and that is difficult to demonstrate graphically.

    One thing I pay a lot of attention to, for example, is body language in photographs. Recently I was looking at a BDSM profile of a nice gentleman who is both widely traveled and extremely out. It was startling to see the difference between how people carry themselves in Los Angeles, New York, and cities in Europe and the UK.

    How Gay people behave within a cultural construct is an extremely important gauge of where discussions on rights actually stand. This is a statement that I make coming from the belief that rights are a given (self-evident) and that they are ours to exercise and no one's to grant.

    There is another anachronism that I find interesting (without professing to fully understand). The role of race and socio-economic class in gender politics actually varies less from culture to culture than I would have imagined.

    In many cultures middle class Gay couples who work a nine-to-five and mind there own business are tolerated. However, the same Gay couple would certainly experience a great deal more difficulty integrating into a peer group that is from a higher perceived status.

    This lavender ceiling appears to apply differently to single Gay men than it does to couples (male or female). It really does suck to be partnered to a successful Gay man in 2009 no matter where you live.

    This chart gives a grass-is-greener impression that I don't believe will actually stand being put to the test.

    Terry


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    Jun 28, 2009 5:53 PM GMT
    The US has always followed a conservative approach. Foreign countries, especially Europe, have always been much more liberal in their cultures on many different levels outside of sexual preference. The US has made a name for itself (for better and worse) for always trying to dictate too much on what our social morals should be. Ironically, it's those exact politicians who seem to be the most corrupt.
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    Jun 28, 2009 6:10 PM GMT
    Hmm..I don't see the US as Socially retarded on a global scale.

    Hopefully, India will change from Dark Orange to Light Orange or even Yellow in the coming months.

    Reality and the law are 2 very separate things in India.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/29/AR2008062901879.html
  • GQjock

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    Jun 29, 2009 1:40 AM GMT
    Not retarded ....

    just a wee bit emotionally disturbed
    We'll be Ok once people stop seeing the Madonna in their Wonder Bread
  • Thirdbeach

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    Jun 29, 2009 2:42 AM GMT
    GQjock said
    We'll be Ok once people stop seeing the Madonna in their Wonder Bread


    Which of Madonna's concert tours was that one?
    The last one was called "Sticky & Sweet" wasn't it?
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    Jun 29, 2009 3:18 AM GMT
    I didn't know India had the death penality for homosexuality. I always thought it was just Middle Eastern/Arab countires that did shit like that.
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    Jun 29, 2009 3:48 AM GMT
    I thought Terry (ursamajor) made some very good points on the differences between legislation and social exceptance -- though I would be interested in the differences he mentioned between places like LA vs. NY vs. Europe and the UK, and what exactly those differences were, and how the so mentioned person behaved.

    I think that the most salient point from the map is that the only countries that have given any rights as far as marriage or relationship status to homosexuals are those with a strong Western European legal/philosophical background -- and that goes for the Latin American countries as well as South Africa. There are no countries on the map granting gay rights that have strong traditions from a different source than the Western European one.
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    Jun 29, 2009 5:20 AM GMT
    phemt saidI didn't know India had the death penality for homosexuality. I always thought it was just Middle Eastern/Arab countires that did shit like that.


    As sundayswim pointed out, the reality is quite different. India just inherited the British anti-sodomy laws and erm... forgot to change it, LOL they weren't based on religion like in Middle Eastern countries. Hinduism has a lot of examples of homosexual sex in it.

    Still the fact that it can be enforced legally is worrying. India however has announced plans on reviewing and possibly overturning this law under increasing pressure, as it has never been fully implemented anyway. There have been no convictions of this law for the past twenty years in India (and even before then convictions were very rare). The fact that there are open gay bars and discos(something you would have never seen in similar dark orange countries) tells you more about it. Although the harassment and arrests are there of course, considering that it's legally backed.

    Pakistan and Bangladesh however... that's another matter.

    P.S. Not a death penalty. Rather 10 years jailtime and fines.
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    Jun 29, 2009 6:37 AM GMT
    Indian gay standup:

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    Jun 29, 2009 6:47 AM GMT
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  • GQjock

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    Jun 29, 2009 4:36 PM GMT
    Thirdbeach said
    GQjock said
    We'll be Ok once people stop seeing the Madonna in their Wonder Bread


    Which of Madonna's concert tours was that one?
    The last one was called "Sticky & Sweet" wasn't it?


    I know some guys think she's TRULY divine
    But I meant THE Madonna
    The one Madonna is named after
    The one who changed Jesus's shitty diapers
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    Jun 29, 2009 9:57 PM GMT
    Holy shit. Belize dark orange...the fuck?

    (*scratches it off next year's trip list*)
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    Jul 02, 2009 5:26 PM GMT
    And speaking of India, this just in off the presses: India decriminalizes homosex.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/03/world/asia/03india.html